Heihachi vs. Kazuya

You stated that the aircrafts appeared when the feathers were still falling from Jin's wings. You obviously had the inability to prove it like the pathetic n00b you are.

Yep. They did. Because the two scenes are showed in succession.

All the proof I need 'cause nothing says they didn't happen right after one another.

Furthermore, you try to provide a greater durability feat when I explained Kazuya's superiority to Heihachi; quite the thing a hopeless dumbass would do.

So, Kazuya NEVER withstood something blowing him miles and NEVER was on the verge of death for weeks and still survived?

Interesting how Kazuya is superior then.

it's an establsihed fact that Angel vied against Devil for Kazuya's soul.

Yes, yes it is.

That's the only logical explanation of how Heihachi was over to overcome Devil, if he managed to fight him

Or maybe it's because Namco had a very different idea for Devil in T2 than they do now? That's obvious enough.

Now don't bother to try giving yet another point by point rebuttal to this, since it'll do nothing but show more of how much of an ass you can be.

Feel free to contradict yourself more.
And of course make baseless assumptions.

Both are the crux of your entire argument.

nikkolas, let me mark a few things for your dumbass and we all can just let go of this n00bish thread that no one should've bothered with since it was made a by a retarded hater like yourself (who apparently hasn't realized that yet).

so lets start with the basics:
-you haven't read T1, T2 or T3's prologues. that clearly makes you the most limited in knowledge here. you obviously didn't even know that Devil left Kazuya's body and that Jun beat devil in T2. so in a word you're a n00b. n00bs get no love...which is why you and your alterego shinremy is joke memory now.

now lets get to the Tekken2 bits. since your pretty thick, i'll sum it up with a series of facts. think of it as a lie detector machine...but more like a n00b meter:
-all the prologues of tekken have never mentioned hachi fighting devil
-hachi didn't recognize devil in T4, 20 years later
-devil pwned him without effort 20 years later and somehow couldn't beat him at full power before? how can this be?
-kazuya, in both T2 and T4, was in his human version when tossed in the cliff. he was also alive at the time. if hachi fought devil...why wasn't it DEVIL being tossed in the volcano.
-why did devil actually have to say "i am what you call devil" to hachi if they already knew each other?
-in T4 prologue it says hachi found a picture of "a winged corpse". it continues after that saying hachi EVENTUALLY realized that it was his son's body. now if it WAS devil that hachi fought, why didn't he recognize him immediately? and before you start yammering, the kazuya didn't have wings when he was tossed off the volcano so don't even start. the winged corpse was actually the one we see in T4 kazuya prologue where he is suspended in the tubes.
-and finally. devil said to hachi "when you nearly killed me". this is obviously in reference to being thrown in a volcano. devil resides in kazy's body and was obviously nearly killed too.

thus far there is no rebuttle you have for any of the above (by rebuttle i mean something that counter argues.....not n00bish stinking monkeyshit) and everyone here agrees with me. so stick it.

as for Kazuya and Hachi in T4:
-hachi was unconscious when devil smacked him across the room. don't deny it because we all know its true. so bascially hachi boy had a good rest before getting pwned by Jin.
-T4 jin ending shows hachi in jin's grip WITH HIS EYES CLOSED. he OPENS HIS EYES, looks at Jin, pees his pants but jin spares him and flies away. hachi was sitting on his ass when that happens. next we see them, and as it states on his T5 prologue "he CAME TO" by the sounds of rumbling. so what are you arguing about anyway?
-so basically hachi was sleeping, woke up, got pwned, fell asleep, woke up when he was about to get killed, fell back asleep when jin left.
-as for hachi "taking a dive", feel free to think that way. but why would he do that? he knew where jin was. he was in no hurry unlike kazuya.

and finally Jun=Angel.
-there is the TTT ending to which you have yet to provide a decent rebuttle (like everythiing else)
-what is different about what asuka did and what jun did? and how is that different from what angel did? and don't play smartass because half of KMC has already branded you a certified dumbass n00b.
-if you are inclined to bring up why she doesn't fly, care to explain why Angel is female. if she is kazuya's goodside, then why is she female.
-both their prologues have them vying for Kazuya's soul
-and finally, there is this site www.kazxjun.hydrora.net where a person working at Namco confirmed that Angel=Jun. i haven't been to that site in a while but i assume its still working cuz it was pretty popular in the tekken fan circle...it wasn't working last i checked but its always worth a shot. and if you haven't seen it then that;s just tough luck because most tekken fans (you know, who actually know something) have.

so there you have it, my son. like the past 5 pages you haven't offered a single rebuttle to ANYTHING I've been saying so i am predicting you'll go around in another rave n00bish wrath mode, but save it cuz you'll probably wind up getting band (which is probably good, but being a nice guy i don't like to see that happen). as for me not knowing anything, you should make such a claim AFTER you've read the prologues and have your facts straight. as for your debating, almost everyone here thinks your a dumbass n00b so there goes that. and finally, i told you before: those theories of mine are as old as an year by now. did you notice how i say he fought devil there, and here i say something else? or how about the fact that i don't even bring up the jobbing scenario? that's right, dumbshit, i haven't updated that part of my site for a VERY long time. why i posted that link was for you to see the Jun=angel theory.

now since you've been torn a new ******* yet again, how about you shut up and stay in your place in future. not all of us want to sink to your level, and i for one certainly don't want to. next time you feel like debating with me, sonny, make sure you AT LEAST read the prologues and find out what tekken means. but you are probably still wrapping your head around this uber pwnage so i'll wait for a week so you can understand what really happened here.

@Superboy, Sam, Sol and Shin-gear....and everyone else who loves tekken.
i didn't post this in response to nikkolas as much as i am posting it here for the general knowledge of the tekken fandom and seperate the facts from the myths. the above is all the facts i have gathered from the game itself, the prologues and endings so there shouldn't be anything TO debate. see you all in other threads.

~Sado

Lovely. This has the makings of a instant classic if we can stop flaming.

thanks supes🙂
and yeah, flaming sucks. i'd love to avoid it as much as i can.

~Sado

But it is inevitable. There is no way to stop it.

Being more tolerant to other people's opinions and toning down sarcasm and cynical comments can help a lot.

Tolerant to other peoples opinions? Impossible 😛

Aside from that.. imo Kazuya wins.

People can't hold thier emotions in, the slightest twitch would set off an explosion. BTW Blax, how's the respect request going?

Still waiting for a reply.

-you haven't read T1, T2 or T3's prologues

A repeated lie. I have Tekken 2's and 3's book. My copy of Tekken 1 didn't have a manual.

YOu kept using the thing on Tekkenpedia as your T3 Prologue. But it's not at all like the actual one in the manual.

that clearly makes you the most limited in knowledge here.

As opposed the guy who uses Tekkenpedia.

you obviously didn't even know that Devil left Kazuya's body

...................................

What...in...the Hell?

I WAS THE ONE WHO POSTED THE FRICKIN' QUOTE BY DEVIL SAYING HE LEFT KAZUYA.

You're so full of shit your eyes are brown.

and that Jun beat devil in T2

....I just said on the last page with Sam Z about Jun fighting and beating Devil.

Do you have to make such obvious iies to help your case?

so in a word you're a n00b. n00bs get no love...which is why you and your alterego shinremy is joke memory now.

You've just made 3 lies in one paragraph.

-all the prologues of tekken have never mentioned hachi fighting devil

And it also says Jin beat Kazuya in Tekken 4...bu *** was Devil....fancy that.

-hachi didn't recognize devil in T4, 20 years later

*looks at Devil from T2*

*looks at Devil from T4*

One is purple with wings. The other is Kazuya with weird eyes.

I also doubt Heihachi heard Devil talking in T2. So why should he recognize Devil when it's speaking?

-devil pwned him without effort 20 years later and somehow couldn't beat him at full power before? how can this be?

Because Devil has TK NOW but didn't back when Namco made Tekken 2?

-kazuya, in both T2 and T4, was in his human version when tossed in the cliff. he was also alive at the time. if hachi fought devil...why wasn't it DEVIL being tossed in the volcano.

Devil changes back to Kazuya after being beaten? He says Heihachi nearly killed him.

-why did devil actually have to say "i am what you call devil" to hachi if they already knew each other?

Because Heihachi didn't have a name for Devil at T2? But Heihachi KNEW what he was, as established by Devil's quote.

-in T4 prologue it says hachi found a picture of "a winged corpse"

Which prologue is that? Heihachi's prologue in T4 says he learned Kazuya was taken to G Corporation.

Also it notes that he knew what Jin was: a Devil.

it continues after that saying hachi EVENTUALLY realized that it was his son's body. now if it WAS devil that hachi fought, why didn't he recognize him immediately?

You tell me.

If you saw me now and then I fell in a volcano, would I look the same to you?

thus far there is no rebuttle you have for any of the above (by rebuttle i mean something that counter argues.....not n00bish stinking monkeyshit) and everyone here agrees with me. so stick it.

This from the guy who blatantly lies and ignores canon/

-hachi was unconscious when devil smacked him across the room. don't deny it because we all know its true. so bascially hachi boy had a good rest before getting pwned by Jin.

It was such a good nap he was up and ready to fight the moment Kaz and Jin's fight ended.

-T4 jin ending shows hachi in jin's grip WITH HIS EYES CLOSED. he OPENS HIS EYES, looks at Jin, pees his pants but jin spares him and flies away. hachi was sitting on his ass when that happens. next we see them, and as it states on his T5 prologue "he CAME TO" by the sounds of rumbling. so what are you arguing about anyway?

Is this in the T5 Manual? Any varification?

got pwned, fell asleep

I'm getting sick of reposting this vid 'cause you and GG lie so much.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gclgld3Sx0U

HE WAS GROANING AND MOVING HIS HEAD.

How is that asleep?

Man, can you get ANYTHING right?

-there is the TTT ending to which you have yet to provide a decent rebuttle (like everythiing else)

I dont' need a rebuttle.

IT.
NEVER.
HAPPENED.

Tekken Tag.
Never.
Happened.

Why do i need to refute NON-CANON sources?

-what is different about what asuka did and what jun did? and how is that different from what angel did? and don't play smartass because half of KMC has already branded you a certified dumbass n00b.

Here everyone.

Tell me how these videos are similar, can you?

Keep in mind, neither of these things happened and Sado is just using non-canon evidence 'cause he's a moron.

YouTube video

YouTube video

Hm. Let's see. Auka isn't holding a single hand over Jin's head. THat's a difference. There isn't a blinding white light. That's a difference.

-if you are inclined to bring up why she doesn't fly, care to explain why Angel is female. if she is kazuya's goodside, then why is she female.

Good question. Ask Namco.

That alone, coupled with non-existent events is not gonna prove anything, though.

-both their prologues have them vying for Kazuya's soul

Since when does Angel have a Prologue?

-and finally, there is this site www.kazxjun.hydrora.net where a person working at Namco confirmed that Angel=Jun. i haven't been to that site in a while but i assume its still working cuz it was pretty popular in the tekken fan circle...it wasn't working last i checked but its always worth a shot. and if you haven't seen it then that;s just tough luck because most tekken fans (you know, who actually know something) have.

So...your proof is a link that doesn't work?

And lol at you knowing anything about Tekken Mr. "Devil left Kazuya before he fought Heihachi."

why i posted that link was for you to see the Jun=angel theory.

It's funny though. Truly hysterical that you link to a page to try and prove yourself right...and in fact you contradict yourself on several points.

Maybe you shouldn't, ya know, do that?

now since you've been torn a new ******* yet again, how about you shut up and stay in your place in future. not all of us want to sink to your level, and i for one certainly don't want to. next time you feel like debating with me, sonny, make sure you AT LEAST read the prologues and find out what tekken means. but you are probably still wrapping your head around this uber pwnage so i'll wait for a week so you can understand what really happened here.

EVERYONE!

Please direct your attention to this LIAR. Who can't even remember a video I've posted like..50 times in this thread.

got pwned, fell asleep

I'm getting sick of reposting this vid 'cause you and GG lie so much.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gclgld3Sx0U

HE WAS GROANING AND MOVING HIS HEAD.

How is that asleep?

@Superboy, Sam, Sol and Shin-gear....and everyone else who loves tekken.
i didn't post this in response to nikkolas as much as i am posting it here for the general knowledge of the tekken fandom and seperate the facts from the myths. the above is all the facts i have gathered from the game itself, the prologues and endings so there shouldn't be anything TO debate. see you all in other threads.

You don't have a clue about anything you're talking about.

You've made several lies in the span of one post. You've gotten at least 2 facts blatantly wrong. You've contradicted yourself. You've used sources that don't exist. From games that never happened as your "proof."

You are the most worthless fan of a series that ever existed. Get a life and learn something about debating.

Um, can we quit the horsehit and close this thread Nikk? Cause this is going nowhere.

I can't close threads.

Request for it.

PM'ed Lana. Wait and see what she thinks.

Good, now answer the Alicia, Dante, and Hayabusa thread!

I PM'ed Lana. She said to report the thread, not PM her.

Which means I have to click on someone's post and report it.

wow, nik, nice copouts. okay my n00bish son, just listen up:
tekkenpedia? 😆
i never used that over here at all. the prologues are from tekkenzaibatsu and tekkenforces and are the official ones. the "manuals" you're reading are not the OFFICIAL prologues. guess what? now you're an even n00b. shingears is right....all you do is make an ass out of yourself with each post.

I WAS THE ONE WHO POSTED THE FRICKIN' QUOTE BY DEVIL SAYING HE LEFT KAZUYA. You're so full of shit your eyes are brown.

....I just said on the last page with Sam Z about Jun fighting and beating Devil. Do you have to make such obvious iies to help your case?

I also doubt Heihachi heard Devil talking in T2. So why should he recognize Devil when it's speaking?

Because Devil has TK NOW but didn't back when Namco made Tekken 2?

*ignores the next two lame copouts*

Which prologue is that? Heihachi's prologue in T4 says he learned Kazuya was taken to G Corporation. Also it notes that he knew what Jin was: a Devil.

If you saw me now and then I fell in a volcano, would I look the same to you?

Devil changes back to Kazuya after being beaten? He says Heihachi nearly killed him.

Is this in the T5 Manual? Any varification?

I'm getting sick of reposting this vid 'cause you and GG lie so much.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gclgld3Sx0U
HE WAS GROANING AND MOVING HIS HEAD.
How is that asleep?
Man, can you get ANYTHING right?

Hm. Let's see. Auka isn't holding a single hand over Jin's head. THat's a difference. There isn't a blinding white light. That's a difference

oh and as far TTT being noncanon goes, no one is arguing that fact but you are still in denial and haven't asked hte first question i asked you: TTT hasn't involved anything outside of canon. that includes character powers and their abilities. so give it up already, Mr-i-have-no-excuses-but-just-wants-to-waste-everyone's-time-with-his-n00bish-bs.

And lol at you knowing anything about Tekken Mr. "Devil left Kazuya before he fought Heihachi."

It's funny though. Truly hysterical that you link to a page to try and prove yourself right...and in fact you contradict yourself on several points. Maybe you shouldn't, ya know, do that?

You don't have a clue about anything you're talking about.
You've made several lies in the span of one post. You've gotten at least 2 facts blatantly wrong. You've contradicted yourself. You've used sources that don't exist. From games that never happened as your "proof."
You are the most worthless fan of a series that ever existed. Get a life and learn something about debating.

like the past 5 pages you haven't offered a single rebuttle to ANYTHING I've been saying so i am predicting you'll go around in another rave n00bish wrath mode

oh and here is one of the most fundamental rules of debates:
-don't answer a question with a question.
now that you've been re-raped, lets stop it already. all this pwning is messing with my schedule. unlike you, i am educated so i have work and all.

~Your Daddy Sado-sama
P.S. go to your room now 😠

Originally posted by Sado22
wow, nik, nice copouts. okay my n00bish son, just listen up:
tekkenpedia? 😆
i never used that over here at all. the prologues are from tekkenzaibatsu and tekkenforces and are the official ones. the "manuals" you're reading are not the OFFICIAL prologues. guess what? now you're an even n00b. shingears is right....all you do is make an ass out of yourself with each post.

what bs?!
you are the cocksucka who was asking me for proof for what devil leaving kaz's body, fagg0t. stop bsing and just stfu. now you're a lier, an ass AND a n00b. keep talking, sonny, more you talk the less i have to proove things here.

yeah....

😆
probably the lamest copout i've seen to date. gtfo, n00b.

i take the above back.
THIS is the lamest copout in KMC history.

*ignores the next two lame copouts*

then you should read the proper one, nik. read the official prologues will you. its getting redundant telling you this again and again and again. oh and nice copout again.....you haven't answered a single question. all you are doing is posting lame answers cuz you're too full of crap to admit that you are getting owned.
but go ahead, really. you're making my job easier since after seeing your lame attempts at rebuttles, everyone is going to be even more convinced in me. thank you, son.

😆
and yet kazuya looks the SAME as he did back then. all that is different is the scars on his body....not that they really stop you from identifying your own damn son. and its not like the scars on his face have altered his appearance to unrecognizable levels. yet another lame attempt at rebuttles, nik.

right...and yet Jin remained devil jin upon being ko'd by jinpachi. also....TTT. devil and deivl jin remained in their devil forms even though they were unconscious. that must be magic too.
lamest attempts at rebuttles. AGAIN.

CORRECTION ON MY PART:
i was looking through the prologues on youtube. hachi's prologues says that he was "cornered" by jacks. it didn't mention his coming to....that is mentioned only for kazuya.

already have. the fact that everyone is laughing at you and saying that my previous reply was a classic IS me getting things right.
as for the video...have you ever lost consciousness in your life, n00b. unconscious doesn't mean you stop groaning etc.
case in point: in hachi's T5 storymode, in his semifinal battle with kaz, we see an unconscious kazuya fall to the ground but he is still groaning and even moves.

😆
and i'm pretty sure everyone is convinced too. lol.
look retard, for one asuka doesn't even KNOW what she's doing. as for hte blinding white..... 😆

oh and as far TTT being noncanon goes, no one is arguing that fact but you are still in denial and haven't asked hte first question i asked you: TTT hasn't involved anything outside of canon. that includes character powers and their abilities. so give it up already, Mr-i-have-no-excuses-but-just-wants-to-waste-everyone's-time-with-his-n00bish-bs.

i never said that.

man you're a jackass. look [b]n00bstein, all i did was post that for you to see the jun=angel theory. and i already addressed your bs attempt at flames before so save it.

😆 😂 🤣
its so funny when you all realize that i predicted this when i said this in my previous reply:

thanks for prooving me right YET AGAIN, nikkolas. you're doin a bangup job at making a fool out of yourself and helping boost my credibility.

oh and here is one of the most fundamental rules of debates:
-don't answer a question with a question.
now that you've been re-raped, lets stop it already. all this pwning is messing with my schedule. unlike you, i am educated so i have work and all.

~Your Daddy Sado-sama
P.S. go to your room now 😠 [/B]

what bs?!
you are the cocksucka who was asking me for proof for what devil leaving kaz's body, fagg0t. stop bsing and just stfu. now you're a lier, an ass AND a n00b. keep talking, sonny, more you talk the less i have to proove things here.

Um...what I asked you to prove was your WRONG claim that Devil left Kazuya BEFORE the fight with Heihachi.

I KNOW Devil left Heihachi as I actually provided a quote by Devil saying as much.

probably the lamest copout i've seen to date. gtfo, n00b.

Well, let's see.

T2 Devil: Pruple winged thing. Never talked to heihachi.

T4 Devil: Kazuya with red eyes talking to Heihachi.

Doesn't seem like a huge similarity to me.

But then again, you are the guy who sayd Heihachi was sleeping after Jin beat him...lol

i take the above back.
THIS is the lamest copout in KMC history.

*ignores the next two lame copouts*

I realize you know absolutely nothing about Tekken but I'll try and explain it slow so you can understand.

Tekken 2: Kazuya made a deal with the Devil.
Tekken 4: There is an actual Devil Gene in the body.

See how things have changed?

then you should read the proper one, nik. read the official prologues will you. its getting redundant telling you this again and again and again. oh and nice copout again.....you haven't answered a single question. all you are doing is posting lame answers cuz you're too full of crap to admit that you are getting owned.
but go ahead, really. you're making my job easier since after seeing your lame attempts at rebuttles, everyone is going to be even more convinced in me. thank you, son.

And in the also offical Heihachi Prologue it makes no mention of this photo....

Isn't that magical.

and yet kazuya looks the SAME as he did back then. all that is different is the scars on his body....not that they really stop you from identifying your own damn son. and its not like the scars on his face have altered his appearance to unrecognizable levels. yet another lame attempt at rebuttles, nik.

Can you not even remember your own stupid claims?

-in T4 prologue it says hachi found a picture of "a winged corpse".

So, a winged dead body?

As in, NOT the Kazuya with a few scars here and there. As in the Kazuya who had just been dropped in lava and wasn't even alive and regenerated yet?

"manuals" you're reading are not the OFFICIAL prologues. guess what? now you're an even n00b. shingears is right....all you do is make an ass out of yourself with each post.

So...Namco manufactures, writes and sends out a copy of these with a copy of each game to be totally unofficial and invalid?

Man you are full of it.

right...and yet Jin remained devil jin upon being ko'd by jinpachi.

.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewir7p_f7yQ

So...the um, wings and everything receding into his body means he's still in Devil form to you?

The only thing remaining are the markings, which Kaz didn't have.

And again, this never happened.

.TTT. devil and deivl jin remained in their devil forms even though they were unconscious. that must be magic too.

FOR THE ****ING LOVE OF GOD.

TEKKEN TAG IS NOT CANON.

You know the rules of this forum?

It says that me, the thread creator, decide if NON-CANON shit can be used.

I say no.

So get lost.

lamest attempts at rebuttles. AGAIN.

I'm REALLY in doubt now if you've even played a Tekken game.

You can't get a single fact from the games right.

CORRECTION ON MY PART:
i was looking through the prologues on youtube. hachi's prologues says that he was "cornered" by jacks. it didn't mention his coming to....that is mentioned only for kazuya.

Good you admit you got something wrong then.

I'm impressed.

already have. the fact that everyone is laughing at you and saying that my previous reply was a classic IS me getting things right.
as for the video...have you ever lost consciousness in your life, n00b. unconscious doesn't mean you stop groaning etc.
case in point: in hachi's T5 storymode, in his semifinal battle with kaz, we see an unconscious kazuya fall to the ground but he is still groaning and even moves.

You don't have the slightest clue about the definition of unconscious.

If someone is moving and groaning then opens their eyes they are not unconscious.

You keep claiming again again Heihachi was unconscious for seconds and then another second....and it's just totally pathetic and basless.

PROVE he was unconscious or shut the **** up. No one cares about your inability to define unconscious. We care about facts. Facts that never onc ehinted that Heihachi slipped into unconsciousness after the blast from Devil.

and i'm pretty sure everyone is convinced too. lol.
look retard, for one asuka doesn't even KNOW what she's doing. as for hte blinding white....

So you are agreeing there' NO similarity in what Jun and Asuka did?

Great.

TTT hasn't involved anything outside of canon. that includes character powers and their abilities. so give it up already,

Tell that to Kunnimitsu killing Yoshimitsu and Lee owning his family.

now that you've been re-raped, lets stop it already. all this pwning is messing with my schedule. unlike you, i am educated so i have work and all.

I do realize you have a busy life of lying, getting facts wrong and not actually playing Tekken. So I'll let you get back to it.

COME ONE, COME ALL!

Look at what Sado describes as

Jin remained devil jin upon being ko'd by jinpachi.

YouTube video

Nevermind all the Devil signs disappearing as an unconscious Jin lies there unmoving.

He's STILL Devil Jin.

And let's not forget this beauty.

TTT hasn't involved anything outside of canon. that includes character powers and their abilities. so give it up already,

YouTube video