Superman vs Goku (Official Thread)

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
Heres some proof that Goku's faster than movie Superman, he became an after image and Freeza's death beams went through his after image.

Unquantifiable without knowing the speed of the beam (don't bring up the fact that it was too fast for Picollo to see, that doesn't prove anything).

He got within a safe distance of a megaton explosion in less time than it takes for matter to convert to energy, which itself is faster than light.

Show your calculations that prove it was megaton level. Even if it was, how does that imply light speed? He simply had to be faster than the detonation velocity.

Durability, Freeza could destroy planets yet he couldn't destroy Goku

Via a chain reaction. Not with brute force.

the very fact that Freeza tried to destroy Namek instead of Goku with his planet destroying attack is proof enough that Goku could withstand planet destroying attacks.

See above.

1: Super Saiyan Goku was fresh and never tired his entire fight with Freeza, he was never even out of breathe.

Yet he got exhausted against Cell and couldn't fight for 5 minutes against Buu...

Android 19 was sucking Vegeta's life out of him for a long period of time, yet Vegeta stayed fresh of energy, only losing little,

A long time? He only had time enough to make one little boast and then his hands got cut off. It was about 1 page.

now Super Saiyans don't have infinite energy, as shown with the Androids, but they do have enough to trap Superman in Chi balls powerful enough to destroy planets.

Except they won't hit him
And that won't be enough to hurt him
And he can hit them with more force

As for the things contradicting the Z fighters moving at light speed, they were not intentional, and all I needed to do was supply facts that proved he can move at light speed, and I did. Now, wheres your proof???

Um, no you didn't. All you said was that Goku outrunning an explosion somehow proved he was lightspeed, without giving any kind of reasoning or explanation at all. It was all just one big non-sequiter.

BTW Superman flew faster than light to escape a black hole, flew from Earth to Saturn in 4 minutes (light takes 19 minutes), flew from Earth to the Andromeda galaxy in a matter of hours (which is millions of light-years away), fought Wonder Woman all around the earth and to the sun and back in 1 minute and 54 seconds (light takes 8 minutes to reach earth from the sun), fought Darkseid to the sun in the span of time it took them to say a few sentences, fought an alien around the world in seconds, flew past the Source Wall at lightspeed, flew from the Earth to the moon in the span of time it took Green Arrow to say a single word, tagged the Flash when he was moving fast enough to be in 2 places at once.... this is just a small sample of his speed feats.

I'm usually not very good at handing out compliments. But I have to hand it to Endless Mike who has become an excellent debator in my opinion.

Become? You mean I wasn't before?

Originally posted by Creshosk
You quoted me from wikipedia... no you haven't proven anything except your ow trollish nature. Now go away.

Agh, as I've said before its not just in wikipedia, it's all over, books, educational videos, mass effects space time and space time effects mass. It's not some thing that wikipedia made up, it's facts proven from people smarter than you.

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
, mass effects space time and space time effects mass. B]

True.

What does this prove?

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Become? You mean I wasn't before?

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
Agh, as I've said before its not just in wikipedia, it's all over, books, educational videos, mass effects space time and space time effects mass. It's not some thing that wikipedia made up, it's facts proven from people smarter than you.

What? Present it to you? I'm not/can't/won't do that! You'll just have to take my word for it.

Just like using a ball of chi as a sheild! That's totally plausable as I don't need evidence.

See? I totally just proved you wrong!

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Go away troll. This tune's been sung before.

Originally posted by Creshosk
More so now than you were before. Not that you weren't before. 🙂
Oh dude! I totally have evidence that proves you wrong from the smartest people on EArth!

What? Present it to you? I'm not/can't/won't do that! You'll just have to take my word for it.

Just like using a ball of chi as a sheild! That's totally plausable as I don't need evidence.

See? I totally just proved you wrong!

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Go away troll. This tune's been sung before.

If you don't believe me than listen to your buddy endless mike, he said it was true, yet your so narcissistic that you still won't except that I proved you wrong, you get out of here flamer.

What does this prove?

It proves that I proved your friend wrong.

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
If you don't believe me than listen to your buddy endless mike, he said it was true, yet your so narcissistic that you still won't except that I proved you wrong, you get out of here flamer.

It proves that I proved your friend wrong.

Yet you've called me childish at least twice and now a flamer at least twice.

And narcissistic mr I create the best signatures?

You are a hypocritical lieing troll. Whom appearently can't figure out things about people so projects this inability on others.

You've been reported for trolling and bashing.

I said it was true that mass distorts spacetime. This is proven by relativity.

How that helps your argument, I have no ****ing clue.

Originally posted by Creshosk
You've been reported for trolling and bashing.

I didn't bash you, but ok. I said you had a narcissistic attiude, and that you are childish, and that you are a flamer, which are hardly insults compared to 'douchebag'.

Do you even know what a narcissist is?

Would you please stay on topic, no name call your fellow posters and not abuse the 'report' button, please?

Any negative answer on my request will cause the closing of this thread

Thank you

thanks creshosk, i appreciate it. also, i apologize for my behavior as well.

back to supes and goku...supes crushes him with ease. tell me combat guru, whats stopping supes from simply flying into outer space and giving goku a lobotomy from orbit where goku can't see or sense him since supes doesn't use ki? not that he'd need to, seeing as how supes could and would crush goku upclose and personal.

also, care to post proof of this ki shield you're talking about? i certainly don't remember it.

i also seem to remember goku falling into a pit of lava while fighting freeza before he went ssj, and then jumping out while yelling "my butt is on fire!" and looking to be in pain. i don't remember if this was filler or not, if someone could clarify, it would be very much appreciated.

Originally posted by emporerpants
thanks creshosk, i appreciate it. also, i apologize for my behavior as well.

back to supes and goku...supes crushes him with ease. tell me combat guru, whats stopping supes from simply flying into outer space and giving goku a lobotomy from orbit where goku can't see or sense him since supes doesn't use ki? not that he'd need to, seeing as how supes could and would crush goku upclose and personal.

also, care to post proof of this ki shield you're talking about? i certainly don't remember it.

i also seem to remember goku falling into a pit of lava while fighting freeza before he went ssj, and then jumping out while yelling "my butt is on fire!" and looking to be in pain. i don't remember if this was filler or not, if someone could clarify, it would be very much appreciated.

Whats to stop Goku from teleporting to another habitable planet? While fighting Superman is like a slug in close combat, so Goku pwns him there.

Z fighters can create balls of Chi, that don't have to explode, if Goku creates one big enough it can shield him.

And that lava scene is filler, Goku can and did withstand a lot more than lava.

if you think supes is like a slug when fighting, then clearly you've been ignoring his numerous examples of speed blitzing. also, what is goku teleporting to another planet going to do? isn't that just running away? if supes went into orbit and attacked with heat vision, thats still fighting. he's just using tactics. if goku teleports to another planet he's just running the hell away. it doesn't mattter anyway, as supes would crush goku in a fight. goku has no feats that put him anywhere near superman's speed, strength, or durability. if he does, prove it and post scans.

oh, and still waiting for proof of a ki ball being used as a sheild, although i suspect that i wait in vain, as proving things seems to go against your line of thinking.

"Unquantifiable without knowing the speed of the beam (don't bring up the fact that it was too fast for Picollo to see, that doesn't prove anything)."

Ok I won't, Piccolo couldn't 'sense' it, and it would take a nano second for the beam to kill Dende before the Z fighters move an inch from that distance.

"Show your calculations that prove it was megaton level. Even if it was, how does that imply light speed? He simply had to be faster than the detonation velocity."

Not the detonation velocity, he couldn't escape it while it was solid matter, and it would have injured him if it was energy, so he had to of moved at beyond light speed, in order to escape the force field the instant it exploded, and the explosion was instant.

"Via a chain reaction. Not with brute force."

I apologize, it takes more force to harm Goku than it does to destroy the core of a planet, better?

"Yet he got exhausted against Cell and couldn't fight for 5 minutes against Buu..."

Cell had more energy than Goku.

"A long time? He only had time enough to make one little boast and then his hands got cut off. It was about 1 page."

It took one image for #19 to absorb ALL of Yamcha's energy.

"Except they won't hit him
And that won't be enough to hurt him
And he can hit them with more force"

1: They can surround him with those balls so he can't dodge.

2: Then they'll just beat him to death with the velocity of their punches, Remember Batman punched the crap out of Superman with a kryptonite ring.

3: Except he won't hit him, because he's too fast.

"Um, no you didn't. All you said was that Goku outrunning an explosion somehow proved he was lightspeed, without giving any kind of reasoning or explanation at all. It was all just one big non-sequiter."

Um, yeah I did.

"BTW Superman flew faster than light to escape a black hole, flew from Earth to Saturn in 4 minutes (light takes 19 minutes), flew from Earth to the Andromeda galaxy in a matter of hours (which is millions of light-years away), fought Wonder Woman all around the earth and to the sun and back in 1 minute and 54 seconds (light takes 8 minutes to reach earth from the sun), fought Darkseid to the sun in the span of time it took them to say a few sentences, fought an alien around the world in seconds, flew past the Source Wall at lightspeed, flew from the Earth to the moon in the span of time it took Green Arrow to say a single word, tagged the Flash when he was moving fast enough to be in 2 places at once.... this is just a small sample of his speed feats. "

In all of those speed feats he had to gain momentum to accelerate to those speeds, so Goku is still quicker in a fight.

Originally posted by emporerpants
if you think supes is like a slug when fighting, then clearly you've been ignoring his numerous examples of speed blitzing. also, what is goku teleporting to another planet going to do? isn't that just running away? if supes went into orbit and attacked with heat vision, thats still fighting. he's just using tactics. if goku teleports to another planet he's just running the hell away. it doesn't mattter anyway, as supes would crush goku in a fight. goku has no feats that put him anywhere near superman's speed, strength, or durability. if he does, prove it and post scans.

oh, and still waiting for proof of a ki ball being used as a sheild, although i suspect that i wait in vain, as proving things seems to go against your line of thinking.

You can use Chi as anything, WTF?

Have I finally provided enough proof, or no?

as predicted, no proof. you really do have the market cornered on wrong.

Originally posted by emporerpants
as predicted, no proof. you really do have the market cornered on wrong.

Here's some proof,

Gohan used his Kamehameha to plow through Cell's, and his Kamehameha also shielded him from Cell's.

Manga Volume #19.

thats still not using it as a straight up sheild. wouldn't this ki sheild you're talking about have been useful for piccolo when nappa blasted him? or nappa when vegeta blasted him? or vegeta when goku blasted him? or ANY character thats been blasted throughout dragon ball? wait, they've never used this shield you're talking about have they? oops. thats sucks.

also, i find it odd that you keep ignoring supes's feats like, like speed blitzing, and then keep saying that this ki shield is a viable tactic. i'm guessing you're ignoring the speed feats and suchs because A) he doesn't speed blitz in every fight or B) they are devastating to your argument and you have no answer to them. if its the first option then you're a hypocrit as you keep saying that goku will use a ki shield that he's never actually done before. if its the second option, well, thats pretty self-explanatory isn't it? so, supes crushes goku because his feats are FAR superior to anything goku has shown. deal with it.

Originally posted by emporerpants
also, i find it odd that you keep ignoring supes's feats like, like speed blitzing, and then keep saying that this ki shield is a viable tactic. i'm guessing you're ignoring the speed feats and suchs because A) he doesn't speed blitz in every fight or B) they are devastating to your argument and you have no answer to them. if its the first option then you're a hypocrit as you keep saying that goku will use a ki shield that he's never actually done before. if its the second option, well, thats pretty self-explanatory isn't it? so, supes crushes goku because his feats are FAR superior to anything goku has shown. deal with it.

Superman's speed blitz's are far less occurring than Z fighters plowing through each other's Chi blasts.

And Superman isn't as quick as Goku, Superman's main speed is that of acceleration, not in hand to hand combat.

Superman's speed blitz wouldn't make him fast enough to dodge Goku's punches. Goku might not could kill him, but he could beat the crap out of him with his martial arts, quickness, agility, stamina and dexterity, toppled with the sheer speed of his hits.