Originally posted by Combat_Guru
[B]Whats to stop Goku from teleporting to another habitable planet?
Nothing. But that would count as a forfeit.
While fighting Superman is like a slug in close combat, so Goku pwns him there.
Um, no. Superman's fighting speed is far beyond anything seen in DBZ.
Z fighters can create balls of Chi, that don't have to explode, if Goku creates one big enough it can shield him.
Post a scan of him doing this.
And that lava scene is filler, Goku can and did withstand a lot more than lava.
When? Post a scan.
Ok I won't, Piccolo couldn't 'sense' it, and it would take a nano second for the beam to kill Dende before the Z fighters move an inch from that distance.
Your source for these figures? Where are your calculations? Stop just making numbers up out of thin air. And learn to quote properly, it's not hard.
Not the detonation velocity, he couldn't escape it while it was solid matter, and it would have injured him if it was energy, so he had to of moved at beyond light speed, in order to escape the force field the instant it exploded, and the explosion was instant.
What are you talking about? It was a ball of ki. Ki can do tons of weird things in the DBU, trapping someone and then exploding is not out of the question. Furthermore, it even makes sense, since DBZ characters can catch ki blasts and hold them as if they were physical objects before they explode. And you still have not provided any kind of source or reasoning whatsoever for your claim that this is an FTL feat. Simply saying it is doesn't make it so. Furthermore, what do you mean, the explosion was "instant"? It looked like a normal explosion to me. Finally, he was inside of the thing, so it wouldn't matter how fast he was moving, he would have to have taken some damage when it exploded, and just outran the majority of the energy released in the explosion.
Even if we accept your claims that:
A. The ball he was trapped in started out as matter (of which there is no evidence whatsoever)
B. The damage from the explosion was caused by it converting to energy (still no evidence, and a solid object that size, especially one strong enough to restrain Goku's movement, would release a lot more energy if its mass was converted than the explosion we saw)
Then you still have to address the rate of conversion. It could have taken several seconds to fully convert.
I apologize, it takes more force to harm Goku than it does to destroy the core of a planet, better?
Goku was never hit with that attack directly, so you're still wrong.
Cell had more energy than Goku.
So does Superman.
It took one image for #19 to absorb ALL of Yamcha's energy.
You're comparing Vegeta to Yamcha? You do realize that Yamcha is practically the most pathetic hero in the series, right?
1: They can surround him with those balls so he can't dodge.
What are you talking about?
2: Then they'll just beat him to death with the velocity of their punches, Remember Batman punched the crap out of Superman with a kryptonite ring.
Considering Goku doesn't have Kryptonite, I don't see your point. And Batman never "beat the crap out of him" with it, either.
3: Except he won't hit him, because he's too fast.
DBZ characters: Less than 1% lightspeed
Superman: At least dozens of times lightspeed
In all of those speed feats he had to gain momentum to accelerate to those speeds, so Goku is still quicker in a fight.
Blatant lie.
You can use Chi as anything, WTF?
Would that include a temporary prison to immobilize someone? Or is that the exception?
Have I finally provided enough proof, or no?
So far, all you've provided is a good laugh.
Here's some proof,Gohan used his Kamehameha to plow through Cell's, and his Kamehameha also shielded him from Cell's.
Manga Volume #19.
That was overwhelming one beam with another, not shielding himself with it. It protected him because it was actively pushing the other beam back.
Superman's speed blitz's are far less occurring than Z fighters plowing through each other's Chi blasts.
This again? He speedblitzes practically in every other fight he's in nowadays.
And Superman isn't as quick as Goku, Superman's main speed is that of acceleration, not in hand to hand combat.
Lie. Way to ignore all of my examples.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Superman/supermanspeedfight.jpg
Superman's speed blitz wouldn't make him fast enough to dodge Goku's punches. Goku might not could kill him, but he could beat the crap out of him with his martial arts, quickness, agility, stamina and dexterity, toppled with the sheer speed of his hits.
Prove it.
He has super human reflexes, just not enough.
Then post a scan showing a reflex feat from Goku that's greater than Superman's. And BTW, escaping an explosion of undefined speed and then making up a bunch of crap about it doesn't count.
It's not a bio-aura it's a bio-electric field, which can easily be disrupted by enough kinetic force, and his density (Hard Body) won't save him from the sheer speed of a Super Saiyan's punch either.
Okay, let's go over this again: What's the most damage a DBZ character has ever caused with a punch? Knocking down a few small hills?
Superman has been punched across the earth, to the moon, straight through the earth, and not been hurt at all.
Goku could wail on him all day and it wouldn't do a thing.
Kryptonian's power are relative to a yellow sun, a Saiyan's how ever, is not. If Super Saiyan Goku were to teleport to lets say a red sun solar system
And he would somehow know that Superman is vulnerable to red sunlight, and where a red star was, and there would conveniently be life there with ki he could sense, and it would conveniently live on a planet with a breathable atmosphere.... see why this doesn't work?
and make a Genki Dama there, where everything is bombarded by the red son's solar radiation, and teleport back to Superman with his Genki Dama, and use it, it would be lethal to Superman even from a great distance.
Genki dama only hurts evil people. Sorry.
Say Goku didn't know Superman's powers, he'd still win because his quickness, agility, dexterity and stamina are greater at Super Saiyan.
You keep stating this, but have provided absolutely no evidence to back it up. Saying something over and over again doesn't make it true.
The life is nourished by red sun radiation, and so is the Genki Dama, no comic book character is pure of heart.
WTF? Superman took Asmodel's light of heaven attack which would have destroyed his soul had it not been pure. He was fine.
Goku does have to force to break through Superman's bio-shield, since Raditz had the strength to propel a bullet through a human, that might not have all been strength, but speed as well.
So now bullets > supernovae and galaxy-destroying attacks. 🙄
Your arguments just keep getting more and more irrational.
GT Goku is complete canon nonsense, SSJ Vegerot would annihilate any Superman.
PROVE.
IT.
Your right about the Genki Dama, it might not harm Superman anymore than a regular one in our solar system would, but Superman does not have a pure heart, only people in the DBZ universe have pure hearts because of their spirits, which Superman doesn't have, at all.[quote]That's utterly ridiculous. Are you seriously claiming that DBZ characters are the only characters in all of fiction who are truly pure of heart? Do you realize how utterly retarded that claim is?
If you want to get technical, the exact line was "It won't harm you if you don't have evil chi". Superman doesn't have chi at all (at least not of the DBZ variety). So you're out another one.
[quote]If Raditz can generate enough speed and strength to kill a human by flicking a bullet, than Super Saiyan Goku has enough force to kill a human with as much density as Superman by flicking a god proof bullet
Wait.... what?
thats according to the science of Superman, I'll have one of my friends do the math if you tell me exactly how dense his sub atomic particles are, but I'm no scientist, if you want proof you have to provide proof. But his shield would absorb of the shock, but Goku could hurt Superman, a weakened Superman was hurt by high voltage in the Batman fight.
Key word: weakened. BTW, are you talking about Dark Knight Returns? Because that's not canon.
It doesn't matter, if Superman,however weakened he was, could be hurt by high voltage than Goku can hurt him. Provide proof that Superman is quicker than Goku in combat, please. [quote]He fought Wonder Woman around the earth, to the sun (at least past the orbit of Mercury) and back in 1 minute and 54 seconds. And don't pull that bullshit about it not being combat speed, they were punching, dodging, reacting, and strategizing the whole time.
[quote]Remember that Goku moved faster than instantly
Okay, what? Stop making things up.
and that he became an after image.
Just like Spider-man and Kenshin.
