Superman vs Goku (Official Thread)

Originally posted by Kento
17 used a Ki Shield...sorta. He used an energy shield to block Piccolo's attack. Though I wouldn't say Gokou can do it since I'm not sure 17 or 18 even use ki because it's endless though whatever they use does create the same effects.

Superman Vs Goku is sooo stupid. Goku has almost no chance. First of all he cant even breath in space. He was never shown enough strenght where he can destroy planets. His Ki is the only thing that makes him look strong.
Second Goku can destroy planets, but he cant survive them just like it was shown in buu saga. I had this arguement with my freind, and my teacher for a class project. It was soo humiliating when everyone in the class was laughing at the Chinese people who pray that Goku is stronger since they dont have a Chinese superman

Since Z fighters fight at such high speeds, and they tend to see things that move faster the stronger they get, then I AM assuming they can proccess 1,000 images per second using senses.

Say a DBZ fighter can process 1000 signals, and 1000 images a second, and Freeza is standing 388 meters from his target, and his beam hits it's target before the Z fighters can proccess the data, 388 times 1000 is 388 thousand. Four of these beams are coming at Goku at way over 388,000 meters per second, each meter is 5 to 2.5 inches closer or further apart to Goku than the other depending on which side their on, so he would have to dodge all of them in the same amount of time if he doesn't move out of his stance, Goku dodges the first one, and then dodges the second, which means he would have had to of dodged the second beam in under 3,026,400dth of a second because there are 39 inches in a meter. So if he can move faster than 388,000 meters per second in 3,026,400dth of a second, than he could move at 388,000 times 3,026,400, which equals 1,174,243,200,000 meters per second...

A Super Saiyan>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>light.

I'll give you the fact that Superman has moved at great speeds in combat, maybe hyper-sonic, but usually he doesn't, Wonder Woman dodged his punch, and his laser vision,

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=10311666

Yeah, Goku slaughters him in combat speed, Goku's punches are potent enough to kick the crap out of Superman, but so are Superman's punches, Goku's Chi, as you've proven is too weak to harm Superman, and Superman's flight, as you've proven is much more potent than Goku's. Superman could fly out into space and use a wide beam of laser vision that covers the side of Earth that he's facing, but it would kill billions of innocent people, and destroy limitless amounts of precious natural resources, if it were powerful enough to fry Goku. Supes ain't doin that.

But if he did, Goku would just teleport to another planet, and wait until Superman stopped using it.

Now your probably thinking, does Goku have what it takes to hurt Superman with punches alone? He does, he can do the Kaio-Ken times 30 at Super Saiyan, which would give him the strength and speed to put a good beating on Superman. He never used the Kaio-Ken because one, while he was fighting the Androids he had a heart disease, and his heart skips a beat when he uses a regular Kaio-Ken. Two, because Cell would use it if he knew about it, four, well, why in the hell would he have

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
Since Z fighters fight at such high speeds, and they tend to see things that move faster the stronger they get, then I AM assuming they can proccess 1,000 images per second using senses.

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
Say a DBZ fighter can process 1000 signals, and 1000 images a second,

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
and Freeza is standing 388 meters from his target,

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
and his beam hits it's target before the Z fighters can proccess the data, 388 times 1000 is 388 thousand.

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
Four of these beams are coming at Goku at way over 388,000 meters per second,

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
each meter is 5 to 2.5 inches closer or further apart to Goku than the other depending on which side their on,

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
so he would have to dodge all of them in the same amount of time if he doesn't move out of his stance, Goku dodges the first one, and then dodges the second, which means he would have had to of dodged the second beam in under 3,026,400dth of a second because there are 39 inches in a meter.

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
So if he can move faster than 388,000 meters per second in 3,026,400dth of a second, than he could move at 388,000 times 3,026,400, which equals 1,174,243,200,000 meters per second...

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
A Super Saiyan>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>light.

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
I'll give you the fact that Superman has moved at great speeds in combat, maybe hyper-sonic, but usually he doesn't, Wonder Woman dodged his punch, and his laser vision,

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=10311666

Yeah, Goku slaughters him in combat speed,

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
Goku's punches are potent enough to kick the crap out of Superman,

40 tons > Black hole?

Pssh... I 'm sure.

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
but so are Superman's punches, Goku's Chi, as you've proven is too weak to harm Superman, and Superman's flight, as you've proven is much more potent than Goku's. Superman could fly out into space and use a wide beam of laser vision that covers the side of Earth that he's facing, but it would kill billions of innocent people,

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
and destroy limitless amounts of precious natural resources,

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
if it were powerful enough to fry Goku. Supes ain't doin that.

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
But if he did, Goku would just teleport to another planet, and wait until Superman stopped using it.

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
Now your probably thinking, does Goku have what it takes to hurt Superman with punches alone? He does,

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
he can do the Kaio-Ken times 30 at Super Saiyan,

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
which would give him the strength and speed to put a good beating on Superman.

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
He never used the Kaio-Ken because one, while he was fighting the Androids he had a heart disease, and his heart skips a beat when he uses a regular Kaio-Ken. Two, because Cell would use it if he knew about it, four, well, why in the hell would he have

Originally posted by Creshosk
Just because one character can do something doesn't mean they all can. Gotenks did that thing with the ghost versions of himself. But we never saw if Goku could. So until I get some proof of Goku doing something its about as useful to say he can do that as saying he can turn other people into chocolate or mind control them just because Babadi could.

As for turning things into chocolate and mind control...I know for a fact you could have come up with something better than using Babidi and Buu as examples when ones a magician and the other was made from magic and has magical abilities.

Originally posted by Kento
As I said I don't think Gokou could but ki shields are in canon. I was just proving a point. Gokou could use a ki shield if he had ever seen it in theory but he never even saw 17 so I'm not going to argue Gokou can do it. Second Vegetto calls the Kamikaze Ghost Attack childish and pathetic though not in so many words why would Gokou even want to use it or learn it.

Originally posted by Kento
There is a big difference in people saying Gokou can use ki shields or even Kamikaze Ghost than there is with saying Gokou could break the barrier between Spirit and Time Room and Earth because we know Gokou isn't powerful enough to do that since he is less powerful than ssj3 Gotenks but power doesn't really matter to learn a move.

Originally posted by Kento
As for turning things into chocolate and mind control...I know for a fact you could have come up with something better than using Babidi and Buu as examples when ones a magician and the other was made from magic and has magical abilities.

The ghosts can operate independantly of the one who made them. Kinda like magic really, Gotenks could do some things Goku could not, things that Buu however could.

For all we know part of what made the chi sheild with 17 was part of his technology, like with the absorbing the chi thing.

So all in all I want proof of Goku doing something before I'll accept that he can do it. Because he's fouhgt opponents that could do things he hasn't shown to that also had magic or technology.

Now I'm not saying thst you claim he can, in fact we're on the same side as far as that goes.

Originally posted by Creshosk
When has something being childish or pathetic stopped Goku? He is a bit more open minded than Vegeta.

I didn't mention breaking the barrier.

Actually that's kinda the point against the ghosts and breaking the barrier.

The ghosts can operate independantly of the one who made them. Kinda like magic really, Gotenks could do some things Goku could not, things that Buu however could.

For all we know part of what made the chi sheild with 17 was part of his technology, like with the absorbing the chi thing.

So all in all I want proof of Goku doing something before I'll accept that he can do it. Because he's fouhgt opponents that could do things he hasn't shown to that also had magic or technology.

Now I'm not saying thst you claim he can, in fact we're on the same side as far as that goes.

I know you didn't mention the barrier. It's just mentioning that there is a difference in claiming something like the barrier Gokou could do and that Gokou can do ki shield since both were shown. One involves power that Gokou hasn't shown while the other just hasn't been shown but it's a lot easier for people to assume and doesn't need a set power. But yea there could be plenty of reasons how 17 made it like what you said part of his tech, and there still the fact I'm not even sure 17 and 18 use ki anyway.

The only reason Buu could do it was because he had Gotenks absorbed and he takes their abilities and everything. There really isn't any reason Gokou couldn't learn any attack Gotenks made. I just don't think there would really be a point when most of Gotenks attacks are stupid and ineffective.

Originally posted by Kento
Gokou may do things stupid and childish but he isn't going to use or learn an attack that would be useless.

Originally posted by carver9
I know you didn't mention the barrier. It's just mentioning that there is a difference in claiming something like the barrier Gokou could do and that Gokou can do ki shield since both were shown. One involves power that Gokou hasn't shown while the other just hasn't been shown but it's a lot easier for people to assume and doesn't need a set power. But yea there could be plenty of reasons how 17 made it like what you said part of his tech, and there still the fact I'm not even sure 17 and 18 use ki anyway.

Originally posted by carver9
The only reason Buu could do it was because he had Gotenks absorbed and he takes their abilities and everything. There really isn't any reason Gokou couldn't learn any attack Gotenks made. I just don't think there would really be a point when most of Gotenks attacks are stupid and ineffective.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Sure he would, and then he'd use it in ways that you wouldn't expect. He is based off of the Monkey King after all.

I seem to recall a part where they were talking about that sort of thing in the manga, about not being able to sense their ki or something wasn't there?

Well I have faith that if Goku did he'd use it in ways that wouldn't be expected. Ambush/Decoy/lock on target for a warp kamehameha or something.

And yea the Androids have unlimited energy but they can't be sensed at all. Which is why I never understood at the end how 17 and 18 gave energy to Gokou for a Spirit Bomb. And I believe it showed 8 also.

In order for a spirit bomb to work. The opponent have to be some kind of villain or bad person...right?

correct wrathful dwarf.

HAHHAHAHAHA OMG the post made by Combat Garu is so funny lol. First of all I don't even have to respond to it because the stupidity speak for itself. Second unless you got proof of Goku saying, or actually doing the action you stated its mostly useless and crap

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Re-Opening....

If the thread can go on for the next 5 pages without any outburst or tantrums it's stays.

Those that try to wreck it get banned on the spot. No further warnings. These thread is for the fans and not the fanboys.

Continue...

Superman destroys him u dumb **** fanboys!!

Originally posted by emporerpants
correct wrathful dwarf.

Okie-dokie...so the spirit bomb is irrelevant to this discussion. 👆

Vegeta saw Goku moving when he was fighting the Ginyu force, and at that point he was many times faster than Raditz, and when Raditz caught the bullet, the human couldn't see his hand move because he couldn't see the bullet, so Vegeta had the ability to detect changes at what I estimate to be one thousand times quicker than you average Joe.

A human can detect changes in (From what I've heard) 14 seconds, and one thousandth of 14 is .00014, Freeza's death beam traveled (For appeasements sake) 100 meters in .00014 seconds.

If you look at the beams, and Goku's after images on page 83 in Vo. 11, Goku ducks under the first beam, and then stands back up, and THEN dodges the second by moving toward the right of it, and the first beam was to the left of the second. And the second beam was 5 inches behind the first. And the beams were 2 feet apart. So Goku ducked and then moved to the right side of the right beam, which means he moved about 4 feet in .00000098 seconds because there are 39 inches in a meter, and this was 5 inches, and 5 goes into 39 seven times, and 7,000 times 14,000 is 98,000,000.

So Goku moved at around 392,000,000 meters per second because 4 times 98 million is 392 million, that BARELY over light speed.

My original calculations were wrong, Super Saiyan Goku>Lightspeed,

but then again, Goku could have moved a lot faster if he wanted to.

" And if wonder woman dodged it obviously it was slower thatn the speed of light. 🙄"

You might have a scan of Superman fighting at light speed, but do you have one of Wonder Woman? If so, show me, if not, you have a moot point.

"Hardly, Superman has withstood the forces of a black hole. Base form gku couldn't deal with 40 tons."

Super base Goku can withstand 40 tons, he just can't fight with it on his back. And Super Saiyan Goku can easily, and Super Saiyan Goku can use Kaio-Ken times 10, and make himself 10 times faster, and stronger. And if we are using comic Superman, than I'll use Goku SSJ3...

"Good thing in this fight those innocent people are already gone huh?"

Goku teleports to another planet, waits until Superman stops using laser vision, teleports back and kicks his ass.

"Thus BFRing himself. Good job. 🙄"

Not if he teleports back and kicks Superman's ass.

"Prove it. Show a strength feat that would put him on par with some of Superman's durability feats... like oh say dealing with the forces within two black holes..."

SSJ3 Gotenks ripped a hole in space and time with nothing but a little yell, and Gotenks was only about 5 times stronger than SSJ3 Goku, nothing a Kaio-Ken times 2 wouldn't solve.

"I don't recall him ever using kaiken while in Super saiyan form... You got proof of this?"

Your right, Super Saiyan does put a strain on a Saiyan's heart, as proven in the Android Saga, but Goku could use Kaio-Ken times 20 before, so at Super Saiyan he might be able to use times 10 with out killing himself.

"You wish. Got proof?"

Yeah, what SSJ3 Gotenks's space time ripping feat.

"So you got proof that he even CAN?"

Last I checked Goku could use Kaio-Ken, and last I checked nothing ever stated he couldn't after SSJ, logic that can not be proven wrong is right.

Even if we took your omg horrible math skills as actual fact,superman moves in the million+speed of light range.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Even if we took your omg horrible math skills as actual fact,superman moves in the million+speed of light range.

Only with acceleration.

I bet your math skills are worse. You probably never had to use math as evidence, just on panel pictures, 😛

Umm...Just because Gotenks did something doesn't mean Gokou could, and that feat uses more power than Gokou could has. And there is no way Gokou is going to be able to use kaioken at SSJ3...He can barely use it alive without even going full power he's not going to sustain it with the strain Kaioken puts on him also.

Originally posted by Kento
Umm...Just because Gotenks did something doesn't mean Gokou could, and that feat uses more power than Gokou could has. And there is no way Gokou is going to be able to use kaioken at SSJ3...He can barely use it alive without even going full power he's not going to sustain it with the strain Kaioken puts on him also.

I believe Goku would use it just long enough to beat Superman, he did it with Vegeta.

And as I've proved, SSJ Goku>>Movie Superman

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
Only with acceleration.

I bet your math skills are worse. You probably never had to use math as evidence, just on panel pictures, 😛