Superman vs Goku (Official Thread)

Originally posted by Magee
Now lets see on panel proof of Goku moving at even a fraction of light speed under his own power, not I.T.

Manga Vo. 11 PG 87.

It isn't staid, but it is shown.

If it's not exactly light speed it's around that range.

Here are some other feats shown at a time when he couldn't have dodged a single beam.

He throws a peice of rubble at, say, a 7,000 feet per second (I just found out that he threw the rubble after he lowered the gravity back to 1 G), seeing as how he could stand on one hand, and then propel himself several feet into the air under 100 G's, and skip a rock across an ocean. So he thows this rubble, and then cathces before it, and it looked like he had been standing there for a couple of nano-seconds before he caught the rubble. Now for him to do that, he would have had to gone around the rubble and surpassed it's speed in the millionths of a single second.

Ignore my last post, and my other post showing how fast Freeza's beam was ect.

Because I used wrong math on them all, .1 equals 10, so 14,000th of a second equals .0041 seconds😕

You guys should be scared cause I'm getting real close to providing close estimations that if accurate, would prove that Goku could move at light speed....In the Freeza saga.

He throws a peice of rubble at, say, a 7,000 feet per second (I just found out that he threw the rubble after he lowered the gravity back to 1 G), seeing as how he could stand on one hand, and then propel himself several feet into the air under 100 G's, and skip a rock across an ocean. So he thows this rubble, and then cathces before it, and it looked like he had been standing there for a couple of nano-seconds before he caught the rubble. Now for him to do that, he would have had to gone around the rubble and surpassed it's speed in the millionths of a single second.

An interesting theory. However to do this he only has to travel a few times faster than the piece of rubble. 7000 feet a second is about mach 6 so lets put up to mach 18. Still no where near lightspeed as lightspeed is mach 10^6. Even if he moved a thousand times as fast as the rock he's not lightspeed.

Also based on assuming Goku can work at ten time mimimum strength level needed to function at 100G's (Class 5) so Goku is class 50. The equivalent energy needed for Goku to lift a 50 ton weight is equal to thowing a 1Kg stone at 1309m/s. Just over mach three, close to yours though. However this is also assumming Goku threw it at is full strength, which is unlikely.

Good try though. Give me a chapter number for this rather than volume number and I'll check it out.

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
An interesting theory. However to do this he only has to travel a few times faster than the piece of rubble. 7000 feet a second is about mach 6 so lets put up to mach 18. Still no where near lightspeed as lightspeed is mach 10^6. Even if he moved a thousand times as fast as the rock he's not lightspeed.

Also based on assuming Goku can work at ten time mimimum strength level needed to function at 100G's (Class 5) so Goku is class 50. The equivalent energy needed for Goku to lift a 50 ton weight is equal to thowing a 1Kg stone at 1309m/s. Just over mach three, close to yours though. However this is also assumming Goku threw it at is full strength, which is unlikely.

Good try though. Give me a chapter number for this rather than volume number and I'll check it out.

Galvaclaw, I am working on an interesting project to prove Goku's speed at that point in time, take a look at how it's going so far,

Goku pushed off his right hand and flew 10 feet in the air under 100 G’s, in Manga Volume 7, PG 86, which means that he can throw 6 tons 10 feet, since it was stated he weighed 6 tons under 100 G‘s in Manga Vo. 5 PG 154, the piece of metal he throws in Manga Volume 7 PG 87, was about 6 ounces, that means it was 32,000 times lighter, so that means he could throw it 320,000 feet, for an object that weighs 6 ounces to be thrown 320,000 feet, then it would have to be moving at…

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080410143044AA8wQBQ&pa=FYd1D2bwHTHzJL1uEuk7RTD4hqntxoI_FtXmQNVF5SgTyA--&paid=asked&msgr_status=

Though it's quite possible he didn't move near the same speeds that a light particle would travel, he did when he dodged Freeza's beams, this project will help me find the velocity of Freeza's beams, so I can prove how fast Goku moved.

Goku couldn't dodge Freeza's death beam, or else Freeza wouldn't have been surprised when Super Saiyan Goku dodged a single beam, because Freeza knew that Goku got a great power up.

Originally posted by Creshosk
There's no solid proof of Goku being able to fight at hypersonic velocities let alone lightspeed, There's no solid proof of Goku lifting anything beyond the 40 tons he had trouble with in base form. Once again you set up a douible standard of "Goku can do it, he doesn't need proof. Superman can't do it, he needs prrof." Face it Carver you're a biased fanboy. And now you're socking. Probably going to get your rtegular account AND your "roommates" accounts banned. Congratulations. You failed to think again.

Seconds to get from the sun to max lords location? It takes eight minutes for light to get from the sun. so Yeah, seconds would have been light speed. How about you? got any lightspeed feats for Goku himself? Not Gotenks, not pan but Goku?

[ IT has NEVER been written and published. There is NO canon material of it... What the is wrong with you dbz fanboys that makes you make up stupid stuff like this?

Scans?

Do the same with Goku. Cause it never says he does hypocrite.

Artisitic licence you mean? How does him "winking out" prove that he has any more speed than just being fast? Kenshin "winks out" when he fights, so I Guess Himura Kenshin is also lightspeed?

And its more than you have for Goku. You have nothing to show he's as fast as you say he is.

Because you haven't proven it. Superman contains a black hole, moves planet sized objects but what does goku have? On panel struggling with 40 tons. Yet without proof we accept that goku can lift more than he's depicted to. But superman fights slower than he's depicted to despite having evidence of it.

Crossover's are NOT canon... Hell Superbuu got his ass owned by practically everybody in crossovers. Jigglypuff beat goku in a crossover...

What's the importance of using canon material you say?

Superbuu is the weakest character in existence:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwTTqfcugY0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CMdctO4egY
Jigglypuff beats up a whol lot of people including Freeza twice and even goku:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPd1Zf8-9ag
Jigglypuff beats Cell:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPL3SP1DTGE

Using non-canon material is great because then the DBZ cahracters look like wimps!

Too bad none of it is canon.

And yet people in DBZ can follow their fights as well. So much for that huh?

How about you back up yours? UYou've got no eividence to put Goku as being able to fight at hypersonic velocities either.. yet you expect us to take your word for it (even though you use non-canon material) without evidence.. and yet expect the Superman to provide evidence that you clearly ignore?

Never figured you to be a troll Carver... fortunatly this socking of yours will probably get you banned.

Later on tonight I got a scan that Im going to put up on every superman battle thread. I dont have a scanner so a friend of mines is going to put it up for me. IT has superman stats that was established since infinity crisis that starred superboy prime. The writers that base these stats are Mark waid which is a superman writer, greg rucka, which is a superman writer, rucka, which is a supergirl writer, Kurt busiek, who is also a superman writer. They put up two posting of both current superman and earth-2 superman.

Its simply going to say (typing word for word).

Earth2-superman

Real name
Kal-l

Height
6'2

Weight
222 pounds

Years active
60

able to fly
Yes

Strength
70,000 tons maximum

Speed
1200 miles per second maximum

Current Dcu superman

Real name
kal-el

Height
6'3

Weight
235 pounds

Years active
12

Able to fly
Yes

Strength
100,000-plus tons

Speed
2000 miles per second

It will be posted tonight around 8 eastern. These are stats based off of superman writer, they also say things about superboy prime in here also if you all would like for me to post that also.

By the way, I got fractions confused with negatives.

Creshok that was also so stupid of you to put up post about tullitubes and pokemon, you could have done a lot better then that. That looked kind of desperate on your part.

I'll do it for you.

V^2 =u^2 + 2as

V =0 u = ? a = 9.8 s = lets say 1.5m

V^2 = 2 x 9.8 x 1.5

V = 5.4 ms

V= u + at

5.4 = 9.8

So it'll fall to the ground in 0.55 seconds.

Which means it'll have to travel at 581,000 feet per second to travel 320,000 feet. Thats 171,000 metres per seocod 1/175 the speed of light. There's still no evidence that Goku was throwing at full speed though.

Your clutching at straws here Carver. Busiek has said Superman can move the earth if he wanted on the DC message board. And since when were wizard interviews valid material on this board?

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
I'll do it for you.

V^2 =u^2 + 2as

V =0 u = ? a = 9.8 s = lets say 1.5m

V^2 = 2 x 9.8 x 1.5

V = 5.4 ms

V= u + at

5.4 = 9.8

So it'll fall to the ground in 0.55 seconds.

Which means it'll have to travel at 581,000 feet per second to travel 320,000 feet. Thats 171,000 metres per seocod 1/175 the speed of light. There's still no evidence that Goku was throwing at full speed though.

Your clutching at straws here Carver. Busiek has said Superman can move the earth if he wanted on the DC message board. And since when were wizard interviews valid material on this board?

Its not the fact that wizard is valid proof its WHO is saying what is being said in the wizard. If you have superman writers stating facts about there characters then whats to down play it. Now I understand if it was coming from a different source but it was coming from the mouth and the writers of superman and infinite crisis which makes it valid proof. IF the writers of goku said that he can destroy a universe, since it is the people who actually write on the character it should be more valid then anything that is said on the forum, the writer>>>>>>>>>>fans.

Also, can you please show me where a writer said that superman can move a planet because to my knowledge superman need aid to move planet earth and he also needed help moving the moon and he needed to sundipped for an unknown amount of time to move war world that was the size of pluto.

Also, can you please show me where a writer said that superman can move a planet because to my knowledge superman need aid to move planet earth and he also needed help moving the moon and he needed to sundipped for an unknown amount of time to move war world that was the size of pluto.

Ahh see your asking for feats now. I thought only interviews mattered. Busiek was asked weather Superman could move the Earth. He reply that if it ever came up in a story he was writing Superman would be able able to do it.

So interviews only help when they support your dubious theories?

Funny.

Carver's sock got banned, but he didn't?

By the way, since you all want to use old scans of superman doing things, I guess I could use these then huh.

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/8669/jla02114bq7.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/JLA1420.jpg

Originally posted by Soljer
Funny.

Carver's sock got banned, but he didn't?

No, whats funny is how you hope people get banned. Its basically sad. This is about debating, not wishing bad hopes on people.

Originally posted by carver9
No, whats funny is how you hope people get banned. Its basically sad. This is about debating, not wishing bad hopes on people.

I never said I hoped anyone got banned.

I neither said "I hope carver gets banned" nor "I'm glad his sock was banned."

I simply made an interesting observation. Your sock was banned. You were not.

My roommate found out this morning that he got banned because of me posting comments under his name. I didnt know that there was something wrong with that and he lost his acct because of me being lazy enough to go in and sign him out. Im going to ask the moderators can he get his acct back since it was my fault and if that ends up with me being banned since I did post the comment then I guess your wish will come true.

Originally posted by carver9
By the way, since you all want to use old scans of superman doing things, I guess I could use these then huh.

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/8669/jla02114bq7.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/JLA1420.jpg

Originally posted by Soljer
I never said I hoped anyone got banned.

I neither said "I hope carver gets banned" nor "I'm glad his sock was banned."

I simply made an interesting observation. Your sock was banned. You were not.

It wasnt a sock, he had that acct for months but I made a mistake and posted under his name, which I wont fail to do it again.

Originally posted by superchron
In the second scan Supes was at about half power. Besides Dr. Light could potentially own most DBZ characters

Thats your decision, my decision krillin would speed blitz the hell out of light, Im not downing your opinion, Im just giving mines. So I guess we have two different decisions.

Originally posted by carver9
Thats your decision, my decision krillin would speed blitz the hell out of light, Im not downing your opinion, Im just giving mines. So I guess we have two different decisions.