Shit Superboy destroyed earth by flying thru it. he's strong. If he hits Goku he could may be K.O him at MOST. But he wont hit Goku and Goku will kill him
Why wouldn't Superman Prime be able to hit Goku? He's much faster than Goku. Besides that Goku's been hurt by low class 100 blows. Superman Prime would rip him apart.
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If Adamantium was that dense, Wolverine would need class 100+ strength just to stand up.
No he doesn't and no he wouldn't.
Goku said that 10 tons would be impossible for him in base form.
Who cares?
It's clear that Superman's strength outclasses him by dozens of orders of magnitude.
No it's not.
He could lift it in SSJ1, but that's not the point. The point is that he needed to do so in order to hold it.
So basically the basis for which Goku's true strength is determined is based on his weakest form.
That's some quality arguing,
One of the ways you can tell Superman is stronger than Goku is that Goku has to power up to fight or perform feats, while Superman has to constantly hold his full power back in order to avoid hurting people.
So because Goku fights powerful people he's magically weaker then Superman?
Lol.
WTF are you talking about with Goku and Nappa fighting for days? That makes absolutely no sense.
The fight was stated that at the rate they were going it'd last for days considering they were equals (Goku had KK to end it if he wanted to, but KK doesn't count because it's not his base lulz).
A large majority of Goku's fight with Frieza in the anime was filler, in the manga it was much shorter.
Dur that's what I said. The fights in DBZ are much quicker paced then Superman's fights and only last a few minutes maximum, thus you can't determine if their stamina sucks or not.
No, the androids have no ki.
16, 19 and 20 have no ki, 17 and 18 do. Unlimited Ki at that.
You are now completely changing your argument, since you claimed that Picollo told Gohan that using your eyes to follow a fight was useless and they had to rely on tracking their ki instead.
No, that's stuff you said.
Goten and Trunks were flying all over the place, up in the air, punching and kicking and dodging at super speed.
Yeah they'd fly in the air and stay in the same spot throwing kicks and punches then land on the ground and stay in a almost stationary position throwing kicks and punches. NOT tough to track.
Stop making excuses.
I'm not making excuses, more or less pointing out the obvious. Not tough to follow a fight if the combatants stand in one spot for most of it.
People could see the Cell games fights,
Bits and pieces
they could see Goku fighting fat Buu,
Babidi =/= normal human
Mr. Satan could see Goku, Vegeta, and Mr. Buu fighting Kid Buu, etc.
Really? What special addition manga are you reading?
Stop trying to dismiss any incident you don't like.
Goku was worried about Yakon:
Yeah his nonchalant attitude and accidentally killing him due to being weak REALLY proves your point. 😂
He had to transform to SSJ2 to defeat him.
He didn't have to transform into anything, he did it because he got some sick pleasure out of seeing Yakon fail so miserably. Did Goku even throw a single punch in that fight?
Gotenks' flight took 29 minutes
No, it took a second (it was all shown to happen on one frikkin panel) and he took a 29 min nap. All stated and shown facts.
Also, Super Buu 3 (with Gohan absorbed) took a minute or so to fly to where Goku, Vegeta, and Baba were before they fused.
So?
Buu took off after him at top speed.[i]
Speculation.
[i] DBZ characters have never, [i]ever demonstrated the ability of Superman or the Flash to zip from one part of the earth to the next hundreds/thousands of kms away in a split second (without teleporting).[/i]
Except when Gotenks flew around the world 8x's in a second.
They do. Soujiro was faster than Kenshin could see until he trained for him. Not to mention that this argument is completely irrelevant, since it is of the form B > A, C > B, all you can infer from that is that C > A, unless you can actually quantify it it's meaningless.
Blah blah blah your argument and logic suck. Gohan, Krillin, Baata, Jeice and Vegeta were all Mach+ speedsters and still couldn't see Goku moving. Show me Soujiro doing 1,000,000 km in a day and I'll say you have a point.
Which is an inconsistency. Besides, Tao isn't Goku.
Yeah, he's weaker.
Yes he has, I've stated this repeatedly. Wonder Woman Sacrifice Arc, Superman/Batman #13, Obsidian Age, etc.
None of which show him fighting at light speed.
He is far more skilled than they are, the proof is in his respect thread.
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If you took away Goku's powers, any random street thug would kick his ass.
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If you get to use other characters' feats as Goku's feats, I can do the same for Superman. Wonder Woman and Captain Marvel are generally regarded as weaker than Supes, so I guess he has all of their feats now.
Um duh, common sense (something you surely lack) says anything Wonder Woman can lift Superman can (which is basically my anything Tao can lift Goku can). Feel free to use any inferior Wonder Woman lifting feat to prove a point.
Supergirl, Powergirl, and all of the other Kryptonians have the same powerset, so he gets all of their feats too. Daxamites are close enough, so that's even more feats for him. Should I go on? 🙄
Please do. If you can find a lifting feat from PG that surpasses anything Superman's been shown capable of doing and want to use it as proof of Superman's prowess, by all means, go ahead.
Your attempt to classify all of Superman's feats as "one time" and "out of character"
Yes or no, Superman always speed blitzes and always uses skill.
Yes or no, DBZ cast always speed blitzes and always uses skill.
Yes or no, Superman speed blitzes in even 25% of his appearances and uses skill in 10%.
Yes or no, Goku speed blitzes in 90% of his appearances and uses skill in 100% of them.
Need I go on.
is not only dishonest, but hypocritical.
Yes or no, Superman always speed blitzes and always uses skill.
Yes or no, DBZ cast always speed blitzes and always uses skill.
Yes or no, Superman speed blitzes in even 25% of his appearances and uses skill in 10%.
Yes or no, Goku speed blitzes in 90% of his appearances and uses skill in 100% of them.
Need I go on.
Roshi only destroyed the moon one time, so I guess he can't. Same with Picollo.
You're right, they both did, yet Piccolo did it with ease and is written as more powerful then planet Vegeta buster Freeza (keep in mind that one of Freeza's key characteristics was that he was able to easily whipe out the Planet Vegeta, which has 10x the mass of the Earth, is Superman's key characteristic that he'll speed blitz your pressure points). See the difference.
You don't, you'll continue to live in your dream world of Superman fighting at hyper speed and with skill not only comparable to, but greater then Goku's.
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Roshi and Krillin's fight that you like to wank about only happened one time, so it doesn't count.
Yep, fortunately for me we have more and better displays happen later in the series from faster fighters.
Gotenks flying around the world only happened one time, so he can't really do that.
Gotenks maybe had 10 appearances. 1/10 lightspeed showings is much higher then Superman's ratio.
Do you see where this line of reasoning gets you?
Yeah.
In character:
Goku >>>>>> Superman
Out of Character fan wanked versions
Superman >> Goku
Superman can go lightspeed in the atmosphere, he just doesn't because it would damage the earth.
So he's going to do it in a fight with Goku? Now all of a sudden because he's fighting Goku he's going to go against 20 years of continuity and go lightspeed in the atmosphere?
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Goku can't even survive outside of the atmosphere.
Funny, considering when he was a child he put Boss Rabbit on the moon.
Superman only uses his super speed on his opponents if it's necessary. Most of the time, he can just beat them with super strength or heat vision, or his other powers.
Which is what he'll try to do to Goku and then get son'd.
Just because he doesn't do it every single time, you can't claim that he can't.
Never claimed he can't, just that in a fight with Goku it won't come up.
That's just stupid.
Blame Superman for fighting his way and not "Endless Mike's"
This shit again? Tell me, have you ever heard of the law of conservation of energy? Energy doesn't just disappear,
And people can't fly, turn into giant monkeys at the sight of the moon, use magic attacks, Saiyans don't exist, it's not possible to create 7 balls to grant ANY wish, God is not some green guy who lives in the stratosphere, etc etc etc.
Your point?
then where did all of that power go?
Dissipated. But keep applying your real world logic to DBZ, it makes you look S-M-E-R-T.
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All the time. They routinely get up from ki attacks that leave huge craters in the ground, yet get hurt by punches that only knock them a few dozen meters back.
Says something about striking power doesn't it.
Krillin got hurt and bled from a rock hitting his head.
When?
King Cold's statement was an obvious hyperbole.
Yeah, being ready to kill over someone comparing your son's durability to a planet is OBVIOUS hyperbole.
There's nothing to back it up.
There's plenty, the fact that at BASE Freeza busted up a planet 10x's greater then Earth yet probably couldn't put a scratch on his fully powered self is proof enough for me.
Maybe not to endless mike, who in his endless parade to undercut DBZ and overrate Superman will simply ignore all common sense and say something stupid to rebuke this point.
You've obviously never studied real martial arts in your life.
Boxing 8 years.
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If you did, you would realize that the stuff you see in DBZ is in no way, shape, or form, martial arts.
Yeah, it's only called that several times in the series. 🙄
Actually it does. Your lie that I exposed made it seem twice as impressive. I'd say that's "much".
What?
It's obvious you're losing when you have to resort to blatant lies like this. Then again, you've been doing so since the very beginning.
Sure, because 1 second isn't just a general statement and he had a stop watch in his hand to clock the time.
Why not show the scene before that when it all happened before the crowd even blinked?
It's proof that you lied again, and used a strawman fallacy.
Or proof of me exaggerating and not caring enough to check on something so trivial.
Honest debators, unlike you.
Mr. Pot meet Mr. Kettle.
So, in other words, you have no refutation for the numbers. Concession accepted.
Glad to see your failure to read a 12 word sentence, shows where your off base arguing comes from.
If you don't count the canon facts stated in the manga, and the facts of human reaction time.
Except my math is sound, and yours is not.
In Bizarro world.
Wait, I don't even think Bizarro world is that terrible at basic math.
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Power levels do not scale linearly with speed.
Prove it
Basically the argument is like this.
Superman wins if he goes out of character and uses tactics he uses Once out of maybe 500 showings.
Goku wins if they fight like we see them fight on a day to day basis.
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Interesting... So you want it to go how they fight on a daily basis? Can you name someone Goku has beaten on his own without help from friends and relatives that he wasn't much stronger than?
Raditz: No
Vegeta: No
Captain Ginyu: No
Frieza: No
Android 19: No
Cell: No
Fat Buu: No
Kid Buu: No
See, not the most impressive combat record. At least Superman has beaten his majors villains off his own back more than once. I can guarantee you they'll never be a story where Superman decides Chris Kent should fight Darksied because he's not up to it.
Fighting in character Goku will dive in for a slugfest with Superman at superspeed. Can you think of an occasion Superman has not used his speed while fighting a speedster? That's right the only time he doesn't use Superspeed is when he doesn't need it. He'll then drop Goku with a single punch due the vast difference in their strength.
Originally posted by Joey StacksSuperman has proven he could go light speed in Earth's atmosphere when he chased Flash. He just doesn't because he really has no need to most of the time. Just because he doesn't always use all his powers doesn't mean he can't. Just because he doesn't need to use his speed doesn't mean he won't when he actually needs to.
So he's going to do it in a fight with Goku? Now all of a sudden because he's fighting Goku he's going to go against 20 years of continuity and go lightspeed in the atmosphere?Which is what he'll try to do to Goku and then get son'd.
Never claimed he can't, just that in a fight with Goku it won't come up.
Blame Superman for fighting his way and not "Endless Mike's"
Says something about striking power doesn't it.
There's plenty, the fact that at BASE Freeza busted up a planet 10x's greater then Earth yet probably couldn't put a scratch on his fully powered self is proof enough for me.
Or it just says something about how they can't take physical blows as well as energy attacks. There punches don't have anywhere near the power that their blasts do or that Superman has with his punches and Gokou is suppose to be unhurt by them? Yea right.
When is Vegeta said to be 10x's Earth size? And guess what in the manga Freeza destroyed it off-panel. Big feat seeing as how he had to hit Namek's core to destroy it at final form.
[i]Originally posted by Joey StacksTo bad that they can't sense 17 or 18 at all so they don't have ki.
16, 19 and 20 have no ki, 17 and 18 do. Unlimited Ki at that.No, it took a second (it was all shown to happen on one frikkin panel) and he took a 29 min nap. All stated and shown facts.
Except when Gotenks flew around the world 8x's in a second.
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Except Gotenks was never shown to take a nap and a panel after he lands Piccolo catches up and he said he had time to take a nap but Gotenks likes to brag a whole lot yet he was never shown napping and when Piccolo caught up it had already been 29 minutes.
Gotenks never flew around the world 8x's in a second...so you're point?
Well Goku's poor combat record isn't really indicative of great close combat skills. Added to that 99% of his training consisted of getting physically stronger rather than fighting techniques.
Take Captain America. He beats more powerful opponents all the time by being much more skilled. Goku not so much. I'm sure if you gave cap Goku's ginyu saga power level he could drop Final form freeza.
Originally posted by Joey Stacks
Superman can go lightspeed in the atmosphere, he just doesn't because it would damage the earth.So he's going to do it in a fight with Goku? Now all of a sudden because he's fighting Goku he's going to go against 20 years of continuity and go lightspeed in the atmosphere?
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Goku can't even survive outside of the atmosphere.
Funny, considering when he was a child he put Boss Rabbit on the moon.
Superman only uses his super speed on his opponents if it's necessary. Most of the time, he can just beat them with super strength or heat vision, or his other powers.
Which is what he'll try to do to Goku and then get son'd.
Just because he doesn't do it every single time, you can't claim that he can't.
Never claimed he can't, just that in a fight with Goku it won't come up.
That's just stupid.
Blame Superman for fighting his way and not "Endless Mike's"
This shit again? Tell me, have you ever heard of the law of conservation of energy? Energy doesn't just disappear,
And people can't fly, turn into giant monkeys at the sight of the moon, use magic attacks, Saiyans don't exist, it's not possible to create 7 balls to grant ANY wish, God is not some green guy who lives in the stratosphere, etc etc etc.
Your point?
then where did all of that power go?Dissipated. But keep applying your real world logic to DBZ, it makes you look S-M-E-R-T.
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All the time. They routinely get up from ki attacks that leave huge craters in the ground, yet get hurt by punches that only knock them a few dozen meters back.
Says something about striking power doesn't it.
Krillin got hurt and bled from a rock hitting his head.
When?
King Cold's statement was an obvious hyperbole.
Yeah, being ready to kill over someone comparing your son's durability to a planet is OBVIOUS hyperbole.
There's nothing to back it up.
There's plenty, the fact that at BASE Freeza busted up a planet 10x's greater then Earth yet probably couldn't put a scratch on his fully powered self is proof enough for me.
Maybe not to endless mike, who in his endless parade to undercut DBZ and overrate Superman will simply ignore all common sense and say something stupid to rebuke this point.
You've obviously never studied real martial arts in your life.
Boxing 8 years.
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If you did, you would realize that the stuff you see in DBZ is in no way, shape, or form, martial arts.Yeah, it's only called that several times in the series. 🙄
Actually it does. Your lie that I exposed made it seem twice as impressive. I'd say that's "much".
What?
It's obvious you're losing when you have to resort to blatant lies like this. Then again, you've been doing so since the very beginning.Sure, because 1 second isn't just a general statement and he had a stop watch in his hand to clock the time.
Why not show the scene before that when it all happened before the crowd even blinked?
It's proof that you lied again, and used a strawman fallacy.Or proof of me exaggerating and not caring enough to check on something so trivial.
Honest debators, unlike you.Mr. Pot meet Mr. Kettle.
So, in other words, you have no refutation for the numbers. Concession accepted.
Glad to see your failure to read a 12 word sentence, shows where your off base arguing comes from.
If you don't count the canon facts stated in the manga, and the facts of human reaction time.
Except my math is sound, and yours is not.
In Bizarro world.
Wait, I don't even think Bizarro world is that terrible at basic math.
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Power levels do not scale linearly with speed.
Prove it
Basically the argument is like this.
Superman wins if he goes out of character and uses tactics he uses Once out of maybe 500 showings.
Goku wins if they fight like we see them fight on a day to day basis.
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Supes fanboys quit life cos u just got PWNEDS
Originally posted by Joey Stacks
No he doesn't and no he wouldn't.[/quote[Nice denial with nothing to back it up.
If adamantium, hypothetically, was dense enough that lifting a block of it compared to moving moons and such, Wolverine wouldn't be able to move with the stuff making up his skeleton. (We were using adamantium as a comparison here).
Who cares?People who are concerned with judging his physical strength. Do you honestly think he gets a strength multiplier of quintillions of times in his SSJ states?
[quote]No it's not.
Another denial with no evidence, lovely. Show me a strength feat that comes close to Superman.
So basically the basis for which Goku's true strength is determined is based on his weakest form.That's some quality arguing
Strawman. Do you have any actual evidence of how much his states increase his physical strength? There's nothing quantifiable there.
So because Goku fights powerful people he's magically weaker then Superman?Lol.
Superman fights far more powerful people, yet he holds back constantly and rarely ever goes all - out.
The fight was stated that at the rate they were going it'd last for days considering they were equals (Goku had KK to end it if he wanted to, but KK doesn't count because it's not his base lulz).
Yet it didn't go for days. In fact, Goku won and he only had to use the Kaio-ken when Nappa attacked his friends.
Dur that's what I said. The fights in DBZ are much quicker paced then Superman's fights and only last a few minutes maximum, thus you can't determine if their stamina sucks or not.
Yes you can, considering they often get exhausted after only a few minutes of fighting.
16, 19 and 20 have no ki, 17 and 18 do. Unlimited Ki at that.
No they don't. They use a different type of energy, not ki, otherwise they would be able to sense them. And it's only 'unlimited' in the sense that they'll never run out, so they have unlimited stamina.
No, that's stuff you said.
What? When?
Yeah they'd fly in the air and stay in the same spot throwing kicks and punches then land on the ground and stay in a almost stationary position throwing kicks and punches. NOT tough to track.
Did you even read that fight? I'd post some it but I don't have access to my scans at the moment.
I'm not making excuses, more or less pointing out the obvious. Not tough to follow a fight if the combatants stand in one spot for most of it.
Except they didn't.
Bits and pieces
Most of it, actually. There were only a few times where they said they lost track of what was going on.
Babidi =/= normal human
I wasn't talking about Babidi, I was talking about the people who were watching it through Babidi's telepathic broadcast.
Really? What special addition manga are you reading?
The one you apparently haven't read at all. I'd post the scans, but as I said I don't have access to them right now (they're on my other PC).
Goku was worried about Yakon:Yeah his nonchalant attitude and accidentally killing him due to being weak REALLY proves your point.
The fact that he [b]directly stated he was worried about him proves my point. And he had to transform to SSJ2 to defeat him, it wasn't accidental.
He didn't have to transform into anything, he did it because he got some sick pleasure out of seeing Yakon fail so miserably. Did Goku even throw a single punch in that fight?
Now you're simply making things up. Yakon absorbed Goku's SSJ1 ki aura, so he needed to use SSJ2.
No, it took a second (it was all shown to happen on one frikkin panel) and he took a 29 min nap. All stated and shown facts.
Complete lie. The panel only showed 5 orbits, he claimed he had made dozens. Besides, single panels can show action over a long period of time, nowhere was the length of the nap or the flight stated. He started it as soon as he fused, then Picollo found him and he said he had flown around the world and took a nap. It was never stated that the flight took 1 second or the nap took 29 minutes. Stop making things up. Afterwards, he flew to Buu's house and Picollo said he only had one minute remaining in the fusion, and he defused right after he got there and yelled at Buu (he took a whole minute just to fly to another location on earth).
So?
So it proves their speed is nowhere near Superman's speed.
Speculation.
Hardly. Do you really think he would use 0.001% of his speed when he was so angry and bloodlusted? There would be absolutely no reason for him to travel so slowly.
Except when Gotenks flew around the world 8x's in a second.
You mean 29 minutes.
Blah blah blah your argument and logic suck. Gohan, Krillin, Baata, Jeice and Vegeta were all Mach+ speedsters and still couldn't see Goku moving. Show me Soujiro doing 1,000,000 km in a day and I'll say you have a point.
Red Herring/non - sequiter. I was addressing your fallacy that the fact that someone can't see someone else means their speed is so amazingly great. Quantify it or it means nothing.
And FYI, Goku took 2 days to get across Snake Way, and he cut a lot of corners doing so.
Yeah, he's weaker.
That doesn't mean Goku can do everything he can do. Goku has never used the dodonpa, for example.
None of which show him fighting at light speed.
Yes they do. You are aware that light takes 8 minutes to reach earth from the sun, right?
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No actual arguments? Concession accepted.
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It's true. He's had his powers all his life, he has no idea how to fight without them.
Um duh, common sense (something you surely lack) says anything Wonder Woman can lift Superman can (which is basically my anything Tao can lift Goku can). Feel free to use any inferior Wonder Woman lifting feat to prove a point.
So I can use their speed, durability, etc. feats as well? If you don't say yes, you're not being consistent.
Please do. If you can find a lifting feat from PG that surpasses anything Superman's been shown capable of doing and want to use it as proof of Superman's prowess, by all means, go ahead.
See above.
Yes or no, Superman always speed blitzes and always uses skill.
Yes or no, DBZ cast always speed blitzes and always uses skill.Yes or no, Superman speed blitzes in even 25% of his appearances and uses skill in 10%.
Yes or no, Goku speed blitzes in 90% of his appearances and uses skill in 100% of them.
Superman doesn't need to "speedblitz" all the time. He fights his opponents based on their abilities and threat level. The fact that he has proven himself capable of doing these things means he can.
You only think DBZ characters "speedblitz" all the time because the manga is drawn with blurry speed lines and afterimages, which is just art style.
As for skill, you seem to define it in a completely different way than everyone else (how fancy it looks and what people say about it as opposed to the actual results it gets).
Need I go on.
Please, keep making a fool of yourself.
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You said this already.
BTW, forum rules:
Originally posted by digimark
The "No PIS" RulePIS = Plot Induced Stupidity
At times, for the sake of the plot, characters that are immensely more powerful than their opponent will "job" to carry on the plot of the story, even though the characters powers and history would clearly show that they are more than capable of destroying their opponent. For this reason we have a No PIS Rule. This rule prohibits the use of such instances of PIS from being used as evidence in debates.
Full Capacity
It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels.
You're right, they both did, yet Piccolo did it with ease and is written as more powerful then planet Vegeta buster Freeza (keep in mind that one of Freeza's key characteristics was that he was able to easily whipe out the Planet Vegeta, which has 10x the mass of the Earth, is Superman's key characteristic that he'll speed blitz your pressure points). See the difference.
Oh, but going by your rules, Picollo and Roshi can't destroy the moon because they only did it once, Frieza can't destroy a planet because he only did it twice....
You don't, you'll continue to live in your dream world of Superman fighting at hyper speed and with skill not only comparable to, but greater then Goku's.
Except he actually does that, if you would read his comics and not just make biased claims.
Yep, fortunately for me we have more and better displays happen later in the series from faster fighters.
Such as? No one ever did an exchange quite like that again. BTW, if you can use feats from any character, then I can use feats from any character that ever speedblitzed anyone in DC and is as strong as or weaker than Superman. Flash, anyone?
Gotenks maybe had 10 appearances. 1/10 lightspeed showings is much higher then Superman's ratio.
That showing wasn't even 1% of lightspeed (1 minute to get to Buu's house, let's be generous and assume it was on the exact opposite side of the earth, so around 20,000 kilometers in one minute = 333 1/3rd km/second = approximately 0.1% lightspeed.
BTW, how do you define an "appearance"? Every manga chapter he's been in? In that case, it's been a lot more than 10. And this whole method is flawed, you can't just ignore high - end showings since they don't happen all the time. Using your method, some random one - shot villain that appeared and owned the JLA is thus practically unbeatable since he has no low showings.
Yeah.In character:
Goku >>>>>> Superman
Out of Character fan wanked versions
Superman >> Goku
You expect me to believe that if Superman doesn't use all of his powers all of the time, he doesn't really have those powers? That's just retarded.
So he's going to do it in a fight with Goku? Now all of a sudden because he's fighting Goku he's going to go against 20 years of continuity and go lightspeed in the atmosphere?
If you had bothered to read the OP, you would know that they were fighting on an empty planet, and thus he wouldn't have to worry about hurting anyone with the side effects.
Funny, considering when he was a child he put Boss Rabbit on the moon.
Yes, let's take an obviously non - serious comedy scene and ignore the fact that it's completely contradicted by literally everything that came afterwards (including one of the major plot points of the Frieza saga). 🙄
Which is what he'll try to do to Goku and then get son'd.
Wrong, read the forum rules. Even if he started that way he would use more of his powers if he didn't win at first.
Never claimed he can't, just that in a fight with Goku it won't come up.
Which is bullshit. You can't just arbitrarily declare that he won't use 99.9999999% of his power and techniques that he has proven to have.
Blame Superman for fighting his way and not "Endless Mike's"
Except he does fight that way. He does it all the time. But you claim he can't/won't just because it doesn't happen in every single comic he's ever been in.
And people can't fly, turn into giant monkeys at the sight of the moon, use magic attacks, Saiyans don't exist, it's not possible to create 7 balls to grant ANY wish, God is not some green guy who lives in the stratosphere, etc etc etc.Your point?
Except we know in the DBU this stuff is true, because it is explicitly stated/shown. Your ridiculous nonsensical theory is never borne out.
then where did all of that power go?
Dissipated. But keep applying your real world logic to DBZ, it makes you look S-M-E-R-T.
How is it even remotely possible to compare characters in a vs. fight without using "real - world logic"? If you claim that you can just arbitrarily waive the law of COE, then what's to stop me from claiming that a blast that can destroy a planet in the DBU couldn't even destroy a pebble in any other universe? If you throw logic and physics out the window any kind of rational debate becomes pointless.
Says something about striking power doesn't it.
Yes, it says their durability against ki attacks is greater than their durability against physical attacks.
When?
When he fought Frieza. I'd post the scan, but as I said, it's on my other computer.
Yeah, being ready to kill over someone comparing your son's durability to a planet is OBVIOUS hyperbole.
He was just mad that that guy suggested that his son might be dead. Besides, I don't even remember that scene (where he threatened to kill the guy) in the manga, are you sure it wasn't a filler? I'd check myself, but, like I said I don't have my scans right now.
There's plenty, the fact that at BASE Freeza busted up a planet 10x's greater then Earth yet probably couldn't put a scratch on his fully powered self is proof enough for me.
It was never even shown how he destroyed planet Vegeta in the manga (in fact in the manga it wasn't stated that he did it in base form, just that he defeated Vegeta's father in base form).
Maybe not to endless mike, who in his endless parade to undercut DBZ and overrate Superman will simply ignore all common sense and say something stupid to rebuke this point.
Right, I'm the one who says stupid things, like the time I said that Gotenks flew around the world all in a second, or that the pillar Tao threw was made of metal, or that DBZ characters are as fast as Superman because the art is drawn all blurry, or that Krillin and Roshi were as fast as the Flash.... oh wait, you said all of those things.
Boxing 8 years.
And do the techniques in Dragonball even remotely resemble what you learned?
Yeah, it's only called that several times in the series.
Oh, forgive me! I wasn't aware that statements determine reality. I guess if I call my mousepad a bar of solid gold, it will turn into one!
Drat, didn't work. 😂
What?
You said they played 3 games of janken when they only played 1 1/2
Sure, because 1 second isn't just a general statement and he had a stop watch in his hand to clock the time.Why not show the scene before that when it all happened before the crowd even blinked?
How do you determine in a manga if someone blinked or not? There's no way of telling the time other than their statements. The fact that you're ignoring what was directly stated in canon and making up your own interpretation that completely contradicts it proves you're a fanboy.
The announcer clearly said "all of this in one second?" and Krillin nodded yes, to confirm. It doesn't get any clearer than that.
Or proof of me exaggerating and not caring enough to check on something so trivial.
Which immediately throws doubt on all of your statements.
Mr. Pot meet Mr. Kettle.
Point out where I have been dishonest.
Glad to see your failure to read a 12 word sentence, shows where your off base arguing comes from.
What's to read, other than "LA LA LA I DON'T LIKE WHAT THE FACTS SAY SO I'LL JUST INSULT AND MAKE FUN OF THE GUY AND HOPE NO ONE REALIZES THAT I HAVE NO REBUTTAL".
In Bizarro world.Wait, I don't even think Bizarro world is that terrible at basic math.
And you have still not even attempted to point out an error in my math. Simply saying it's wrong doesn't mean anything unless you can demonstrate why it's wrong.
Prove it
Burden of proof is on you.
Basically the argument is like this.Superman wins if he goes out of character and uses tactics he uses Once out of maybe 500 showings.
Goku wins if they fight like we see them fight on a day to day basis.
More like: Goku wins if Superman only uses a tiny fraction of his actual power for no reason other than the fact that Joey Stacks thinks he won't because he doesn't do so in every single comic he's in.
Once out of 500 showings? I read his comics routinely, and he does this kind of stuff all the time.
