Originally posted by nij-ayias
these are goku's combat speed in his teen, unless you can prove me that superman's combat speed equals his travel speed.
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And I suppose you can show the calculations you used to arrive at that conclusion?
it's ridiculous for because it took supes an all-star version of him to become 3x stronger.
All - Star Superman is stronger than normal Superman. So what? They're both stronger than Goku.
lifting has nothing to do with ki or power levels because lifting limits the amount of their ki or power level.
LOL WHAT?
dbz is about ki and power level not the class something..........
Stop trying to ignore the fact that Goku has no strength feats that put him remotely near Superman.
black rock hurts superman with a non-planet buster attack.
Right, because every attack that ever hurt a DBZ character also destroyed a planet. 🙄
one side of the planet to other in seconds = involved long distance, therefore flying or travel speed.to the sun and back in less than 2 minutes = involved long distance, therefore flying or travel speed.
No, because he was fighting while flying across that distance.
This is a really pathetic logical fallacy. What you're claiming is that "If A involves B, therefore A only counts as B". Using that logic, I can say that since Baseball involves running, it's the same as track and field. 😆
prove me that supes' agility and reflexes equals his flying speed.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Superman/supermanspeed5.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Superman/supermanspeed6.jpg
Just a small example.
goku is more experience in fast-pace fight than supes, why?how rare did supes fight in fast-pace?
this is not against NO PIS Rule because it's about regularly used skill and rarely used skills.
comics is what important most not the scans.
Define "fast - pace". How fast? How many km/sec? How many fractions of a second reaction time? Your no - numbers mentality belies the fact that you are blinded by art style and nothing else.
And the scans are from the comics, so I have no idea what you are getting at with the last point.
your wrong because goku gets hurt with a KI input that is powerful than many solar system busting attacks. don't get confused, read dragon ball manga.do you even know what "KI" is?
Do you know what "LYING" is?
No one in DBZ ever destroyed a solar system. The most they ever destroyed was a planet. Cell claimed he could destroy a solar system, but the result of his attack only created a small crater in the ground, and he's known to lie and overestimate himself anyway. Meanwhile, Superman has taken galaxy - destroying attacks and survived.
it's still flying and long distance is still involved. dont make any assumptions. prove me that his reflexes is just as fast as his flying speed.
So since long distances are involved, that automatically means that reflexes aren't? False dichotomy fallacy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dichotomy
when he has to?how rare is that? 1 in a 10000000000000000
Wrong. It's actually quite often.
if that is rare, then he lacks experience than goku who regularly using agility and reflexes or combat speed.superman rarely used agility and reflexes.
goku regularly used agility and reflexes
Goku has experience using speed at his level, which is nowhere near Superman's level. Just because it's drawn all blurry doesn't mean anything other than the art style. BTW, Superman can tag the Flash, who is more experienced at using speed than anyone else. If Superman used his full speed on Goku, Goku would be dead before he even knew what hit him.
if you know all about "KI", why you didn't know about ki level or power level that it doesn't matter how powerful the damage in the surrounding is but it's level.
Lie. You can't just make up excuses to brush off the fact that DBZ characters are hurt by blasts that only create small craters in the ground. If an attack hits a planet, and it doesn't destroy the planet, then by definition, it is not a planet - destroying attack. There's absolutely nothing in the manga (and believe me, I've read the whole thing multiple times) that states that DBZ characters can magically violate conservation of energy and make 99.99999999999% of the energy in their supposedly 'planet - destroying' attacks just disappear into nothingness and leave the rest to create a tiny crater in the ground. Not to mention that most of the time it wouldn't even make sense for them to do so, especially when the villains are concerned.
flying around the place is flying not fighting.as long as long distance is involved it's still travel not reflexes or agility.
It is if you're fighting someone while doing so.
about superman's reacting and throwing punches while flying.how fast is that throwing punches you were saying?
prove me by scan or author's statement because all of you didn't prove me that he's reflexes is as fast as his flying speed.
If the fact that he doesn't randomly crash into things all the time isn't enough for you, you're simply too thick to convince with reason and logic.
you didn't answer my question:how rare is that superman's agility and reflexes in fighting? 1 in a 10000000000000000000000
Wrong. Besides, even if it were, he would still do so according to the rules.
in ki control/manipulation, it doesn't matter how much the effects in the sorrounding would be.
Bullshit. If you have an attack with enough energy to destroy a planet, that energy has to be released somehow. If it doesn't fly off into space (which happens sometimes) but instead hits the planet, it won't just cause a small crater. It will damage the planet as long as it is expended on the planet.
dragon ball manga is not DC comics, so stop saying that because the attack didn't destroy a planet, it's not as strong or stronger than a planet buster.
Except it isn't. It completely defies logic and physics for you to claim otherwise, and you have absolutely no evidence supporting your side. Furthermore, whenever an attack in DBZ can destroy a planet, everyone makes a big deal of it and freaks out (like when Vegeta used his Final Flash agaist Cell, when Goku attacked Cell with his kameheha, and Cell did the same to Goku, when Buu destroyed the earth, etc.) If every attack was a planet buster, they wouldn't freak out about those attacks specifically.
all dragon ball's attacks have KI input,dragon ball characters are not fighting with pure physical strength.
they always involve ki in everyway except lifting or pure physical strength, because lifting limits the amount of their ki
Way to completely make things up. I'd like to see any evidence for this ridiculous theory. (Not to mention the fact that it's directly contradicted by the fact that Goku could lift the 40 tons when he transformed to SSJ1, which is an increase in ki. So obviously ki does help them lifting things). And how is lifting specifically different from any other physical task? You're using a special pleading fallacy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_pleading
stop assuming, the author and writer of superman didn't point out that superman is using reflexes during that earth to sun fight.
Some of us don't need the obvious pointed out to us. If he wasn't "using reflexes", how could he hit his opponents or dodge their punches, or avoid obstacles?
earth to sun fight is a combination of pure physical power and travel speed not agility and reflexes.
If that were the case, he wouldn't even be able to see his opponents, let alone fight them.
yes, he can react when he's flying but you didn't prove it equals when fighting.
You have not provided any reason for us to think otherwise.
it does matter how many times because it falls under the category of experience.superman lacks experience of combat speed which involves agility and reflexes. slower opponents could land a blow to superman.
Because he doesn't use his speed all the time, only when it's necessary. He takes hits because he can take hits, that's what the whole "Man of Steel" thing is about in the first place.
i didn't say superman has no experience at all but goku has more experience in agility and reflexes.how rare is that superman's agility and reflexes when fighting? 1 in a 1000000000000
Wrong, yet again.
