Superman vs Goku (Official Thread)

Originally posted by BradBalboa
Actually its true, when buu teleports into space then flys down and hit Goku the resulting force shift the etire planets surface, and.. During the early baby saga, Gokuand Rildo fly at each other and hit each other the sameas supes and capt.marvel do in jlu, supes and marvel marley shatter the windows in the buildings close to them, goku and rildo cause and nuclear bomb type explosion as the buildings around them are destroyd and a large creatnthergood example is in the wratof the dragon movie, Hirudrgarn hits Goku soo hard the shockwave knoc buildings behind goku.!!

Originally posted by BradBalboa
Actually its true, when buu teleports into space then flys down and hit Goku the resulting force shift the etire planets surface

Filler.

and.. During the early baby saga, Gokuand Rildo fly at each other and hit each other the sameas supes and capt.marvel do in jlu

Neither GT nor JLU are canon.

supes and marvel marley shatter the windows in the buildings close to them, goku and rildo cause and nuclear bomb type explosion as the buildings around them are destroyd and a large creatnthergood

That might be relevant if we were using the JLU version and not the comics version, or if GT was canon.

example is in the wratof the dragon movie, Hirudrgarn hits Goku soo hard the shockwave knoc buildings behind goku.!!

And the movies aren't canon either.

Neither GT nor JLU are canon.

we were talking about the animated versions of the characters...and actualy jlu is canon to the DCAU

And the DCAU is not canon to the comics, which are the subject of this thread.

I would like to ask 2 question:
1. What is yours calculations of Goku raise of power from SSJ 1 to SSJ2, and From SSJ2 to SSJ 3, I know is all down to guess and especulations, because Toriyama didnt care or not have time to quantify all the feats (He was doing his Manga weekly, besises of supervising the anime) but what do you think?
2.Why do you thing some people compare Goku to Superman?

Originally posted by Vvendeta
[B]I would like to ask 2 question:
1. What is yours calculations of Goku raise of power from SSJ 1 to SSJ2, and From SSJ2 to SSJ 3, I know is all down to guess and especulations, because Toriyama didnt care or not have time to quantify all the feats (He was doing his Manga weekly, besises of supervising the anime) but what do you think?

You just answered your own question.

2.Why do you thing some people compare Goku to Superman?

Well they were both sent to earth from their dying home planet in a space ship as babies, and grew up to protect the earth from all kinds of threats as part of a team of superpowered beings, etc. There are a lot of similarities. IIRC Toriyama even said that he got the idea for the Saiya-jins by watching the second Superman movie.

Basically Goku is the jap superman, even down to his personality.

I dont think I answer my own question, I ask what is YOUR guess or your own calculation, as a Superman fan.

Yes i get the origen of Goku in DBZ is similar with the origen of Superman, but what I mean is what is your opinion on why people think Goku could fight with Superman?

My personal opinion is that besides the origen, I don´t see more relation or similarities, Goku dont have a job, he is not a every day hero, his worries are train and eat, Superman is more shy in my opinion, Goku is easy going, Superman is inteligent and well educated, Goku is wild and go on acting on his guts, etc, I think i can find more diferences, but you get whatt i mean.

Originally posted by Vvendeta

Yes i get the origen of Goku in DBZ is similar with the origen of Superman, but what I mean is what is your opinion on why people think Goku could fight with Superman?

Originally posted by Endless Mike
And the DCAU is not canon to the comics, which are the subject of this thread.

Originally posted by Vvendeta
I dont think I answer my own question, I ask what is YOUR guess or your own calculation, as a Superman fan.

Yes i get the origen of Goku in DBZ is similar with the origen of Superman, but what I mean is what is your opinion on why people think Goku could fight with Superman?

My personal opinion is that besides the origen, I don´t see more relation or similarities, Goku dont have a job, he is not a every day hero, his worries are train and eat, Superman is more shy in my opinion, Goku is easy going, Superman is inteligent and well educated, Goku is wild and go on acting on his guts, etc, I think i can find more diferences, but you get whatt i mean.

"go on acting on his guts"...

😆 😆 😆

I LOVE IT!!!!

That's some funny shit right there. Some things are lost in translation.

I'm pretty sure there are things that I would say like that in your native language that would make you laugh too...nothing personal, dude.

To answer your question...power levels are exponential as a saiyan ascends. Goku is well over a million when he turns super saiyan against Freiza.

The power level argument has already been made. If the power levels are to be interpreted without the illogical loop holes, then by the time SSJ3 comes around, they should have been blowing away parts of galaxies with regular shots...but it doesn't happen that way because Toriyama still wanted to tell a story.

Goku's powerlevel was 160,000,000 when he beat Freeza. 🤓

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Goku's powerlevel was 160,000,000 when he beat Freeza. 🤓

No.

He was about 15,000,000. My point was not to be precise on the actual power level...but rather to show that they went from being in the hundreds to over a million.

Goku doesn't reach 160,000,000 until after the Cell Saga. Gohan does in SSJ2 form. (He goes over.)

Originally posted by dadudemon
"go on acting on his guts"...

😆 😆 😆

I LOVE IT!!!!

That's some funny shit right there. Some things are lost in translation.

I'm pretty sure there are things that I would say like that in your native language that would make you laugh too...nothing personal, dude.

To answer your question...power levels are exponential as a saiyan ascends. Goku is well over a million when he turns super saiyan against Freiza.

The power level argument has already been made. If the power levels are to be interpreted without the illogical loop holes, then by the time SSJ3 comes around, they should have been blowing away parts of galaxies with regular shots...but it doesn't happen that way because Toriyama still wanted to tell a story.

At least I make you laugh.
i participate in this forums to improve my english. I know is not perfect.

I didnt ask for powerlevels, I ask for the diference from SSJ1 to SSJ 2 and From SSJ2 to SSJ 3, (double, triple, a boost, etc) mostly what a superman soporter think about it.

The power level argument has already been made. If the power levels are to be interpreted without the illogical loop holes, then by the time SSJ3 comes around, they should have been blowing away parts of galaxies with regular shots...but it doesn't happen that way because Toriyama still wanted to tell a story. [/B]

I agree; with the observation that Goku wont be a hero if Toriyama show him blowing up planets, but he fough guys that can do that.

Originally posted by dadudemon
No.

He was about 15,000,000. My point was not to be precise on the actual power level...but rather to show that they went from being in the hundreds to over a million.

Goku doesn't reach 160,000,000 until after the Cell Saga. Gohan does in SSJ2 form. (He goes over.)

The Daizenzhuu, aprove by Toriyama said that Goku and Freeza were in 160, 000, 000, according with a french version of the Daizenshuu.

correction, Goku is 3000 000 in his base form, and 150 000 000 as a SSJ according to the Daizenshuu and aprove by Bird Studio, Toriyama´s company, is that high Because Toriyama intention was to end the history at that point, but the huge amount of letters send by fans, and his wife convince him to continue the history.

Freeza 100% was stated in 120 000 000

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
All non canon and have nothing to do with superman vs goku,kryptonians under red suns have demolished planets as a side effect of their fighting.

How could kyptonians possible destroy planets under a red su, they dont have any powers under red suns ?? And if your going to play that card, dont forget how mny planets the saiyans destroyed how many civilisatins where eradticated whilst the saiyans served frieza !!

Originally posted by Vvendeta
I dont think I answer my own question, I ask what is YOUR guess or your own calculation, as a Superman fan.

Anything I said would be just that, a guess. It's pointless.

Yes i get the origen of Goku in DBZ is similar with the origen of Superman, but what I mean is what is your opinion on why people think Goku could fight with Superman?

My personal opinion is that besides the origen, I don´t see more relation or similarities, Goku dont have a job, he is not a every day hero, his worries are train and eat, Superman is more shy in my opinion, Goku is easy going, Superman is inteligent and well educated, Goku is wild and go on acting on his guts, etc, I think i can find more diferences, but you get whatt i mean.

That's true, but they are often compared.

no because before yo ucame back we were discussing the two animated versions of the characters fighting each other

Animated Superman most likely loses.

How could kyptonians possible destroy planets under a red su, they dont have any powers under red suns ??

Superman still had some of his power left from being under a yellow sun, and the guy he was fighting had powers that worked in reverse (he got stronger under a red sun).

And if your going to play that card, dont forget how mny planets the saiyans destroyed how many civilisatins where eradticated whilst the saiyans served frieza !!

How many, then? I don't believe such a thing was ever stated. Not to mention the point was for them to just wipe out the native inhabitatants of the planet so Frieza could take it over.

Well in the situation of this fight both think everyone they love has been killed !! this is close! Remeber the last time somting liek this happened to Goku ?? krillin and piccolo being killed by frieza( althogh piccolo wasant actually dead) it pushed goku to super saiyan i think the same thing will happen hea, and goku will go super saiyan 5 !!Plus supegoes crazy in these situations, i say double K.O possible destruction of most of the galaxy

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Anything I said would be just that, a guess. It's pointless.

That's true, but they are often compared.

Animated Superman most likely loses.

Superman still had some of his power left from being under a yellow sun, and the guy he was fighting had powers that worked in reverse (he got stronger under a red sun).

How many, then? I don't believe such a thing was ever stated. Not to mention the point was for them to just wipe out the native inhabitatants of the planet so Frieza could take it over.

True, but some planets where destroyed, you see in flash backs, i herd somewhere that the kryptonians where at war now and again but it wasnt any where near the level as the saiyans, plus kryptonians only have powers under a yellow sun, saiyans have powers everywhere its who they are !!

Who was supes fighting who had powers under a red son ?? where they fighting undera red sun or yellow ??