Originally posted by CreshoskI didn't say some wasn't out of character just not all of it was way out of character. Like if he knew Superman was holding back I could see him saying something like what he said. Wouldn't really get Superman to go all out though but Gokou would try anything to get Superman to go all out.
Going fan girl and striking someone who didn't want to fight seemed very out of character.
Originally posted by Creshoskno especially since goku loves a good fight and they were taken there to fight I can see him doing something similar I mean he did do it with uub and the situation there was almost similar, and the artist of that one said he might do a sequal (his student did i nwhich goku wins but his art isnt as good)
Going fan girl and striking someone who didn't want to fight seemed very out of character.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Too bad the anime is not canon. Not to mention that doesn't even show it becoming "nothing".
Toriyama says the anime is canon.
Toryiama>>>>>>>>>>>>supes fanboy
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
He is saying they compress the blasts so they don't destroy the planet, which is still BS. Frieza survived a planet being destroyed, but was FVCKED UP. The only DBZ character with even near comparable durability to Superman is Broly. His power is maximum.
Freeza was barely alive BEFORE the planet exploded, he was cut in half with 1 arm left, had no energy left, Goku had to give him some just so he could move, and he still survived the planet exploding, all that did was mess up part of his face.
Originally posted by superchron
Superman>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Toryiama>Superman Fanboy>>>>>>>>>>>>Shit>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>DBZ Fanboy.jk, but seriously, Goku can't beat current superman
I don't care if he can, Superman will find a way to beat just about anyone if he had too, Im sure if he had too DC would find a way for him to beat Spectre. I just read a little of what was going on and pointed out some wrong things.
Originally posted by superchron
naw man I used to think that to but then I started reading comics again and there are so many people who could easily kill Supes and Goku at the same time
Yea people that should, but we know that it doesn't always happen how it should.
like Cap punching Thanos, Batkick humbling Spectre, Surfer falling to a brick, Darksied meets steps+ Superman handing him his ass on a platter, etc
Originally posted by Vvendeta
[B]Ki is life force energy, non of those characters you mention have those attacks, and that does not mean is less or more powerful.
That would only be relevant if you provide evidence that Superman is more vulnerable to life force energy.
Freeza died beacuse he was caught off guard, and he did not power up his power(Durability, strenght, etc), Gohan say before that Freeza was in his minumum, i am lazy to put the scan, every moment of durability in DB is due the ki burst output, when Freeza die and when Goku die with Cell, non of them were powering up to their maximum, Ki relate to their durability.
Frieza was in the middle of a fight with Trunks, and he was losing. I don't think he would just drop his guard there for no reason.
That site is a valid information of superman, probably old yes but there is nothing wrong with it, all that it said there is true to the character, the page is from DC.
You just contradicted yourself. How can there be nothing wrong with it if it's not up to date?
And is not wishfull thinking, i just dislike that Superman soporters in this forum seen the fight as easy for superman, i am only trying to prove Goku can be a good match. even if he lose here.
Oh sure, he could give him a fight. I never denied that.
Goku can use kai o ken, there is nothing state that he cant anymore, just supersaiyan is more easy and controled and higher form of powerup, after the room of spirit and time, Goku can be SSJ and not output any energy, plenty of scans can prove my point.
What I meant was that he couldn't use Kaio-ken while in SSJ form. I have no doubt that he could still use it in base form at the end of the series.
You were saying a lot of times that for short moments Goku reach higher speed, well DB fighters can magnify in a gigantic output of ki all their abilities, Piccolo explain this to android 20, and it makes sense with countless of feats. so they go faster than they are in a short moment, and one kick or punch at that moment has more power than his standar strenght, speed and durability, that is the way i see it. i will never have the proof of how fast they(DBZ fighters) can be, but they(DBZ fighters) pass their own abilities when they do that, and a higher the Ki of the character, the higher the burst is, and a higher power up is.
Yes, I know this already, but I don't see the relevance.
About the cluster of Cells, I accept what you say, your explanation about 2 cluster makes sense, and Cell was destroy until the point of being invisible to the naked eye. the scans show that we dont see nothing visible in the panel and I cant not i use the anime that show the cells being destroyed so your point is valid.
Thank you
Not that I said that you denie the power of the blast, and my point is to prove the durabilty and resistant of the characters, and the power of the blast, for all in general, not for you only. If you allready see it like this then is ok, for I only see a SSJ3 blast will have effect on Superman, in my opinion.
Obviously it would have some effect, but I doubt it would seriously hurt him, let alone kill him.
I am trying to show the capabilities of DB as i see it, i am not trying to do a crossover either, but i am trying to show what is Goku capable of, and yes in the crooss over any of them could win, like the artist in the scans that Destiny guy show of the fan made comic Superman vs Goku.
Then why did you say it would depend on the studio writing the crossover?
Ki is not magic, I never said that, is a sort mistical power. will it damage Superman? Superman soporters say no, and Goku soporters say yes.
It could damage him, the point is that it won't damage him any more than any other type of attack with the same power.
Again the site about Superman is Dc information, it explain all his powers, I agree that laser and radiation in the current Superman wont do nothing to him, but that the Ki blast is stronger than those.
I wouldn't be too sure about that. There are some pretty strong lasers and radiation in DC comics.
Goku can get SSJ3 fast, did it against Superbuu, i can put the scan if you want.
Fast, but not faster than a bloodlusted Superman could clock him.
They were in a fighting tournament, Goku wanted Ubb to release his power he previously sense in him, the same power as kid Buu, the kid was in the arena.The scan of Goku attacking Superman just to have a fight is out of character.
It will never be a good reason for them to fight than a friendly match or one of them become evil.
I agree. Threatening to destroy Metropolis, even if he wasn't serious, is something he would never do.
eh, the artist said he used the staff because it was once a big part of db, it in a way represented him
Makes sense, I guess.
goku in the scan was surprised when supermans eyes lasers had no chi...superman never used ki i nthe fight
Yes, but in the beginning he said that he felt Superman's ki
if anything superman mightve rolled of the punch like he usually does
The point was that he said it hurt and it threw him into a cliff.
Toriyama says the anime is canon.
Toryiama>>>>>>>>>>>>supes fanboy
I suppose you have a statement by him to back this up?
And an interview saying that he contributed some character designs doesn't count.
Freeza was barely alive BEFORE the planet exploded, he was cut in half with 1 arm left, had no energy left, Goku had to give him some just so he could move, and he still survived the planet exploding, all that did was mess up part of his face.
Actually, it left him drifting in space, barely alive, and he would have died if King Cold hadn't rescued him.
like Cap punching Thanos
He was putting on a show for Death.
Batkick humbling Spectre
Spectre said in the very next panel he did it just to make Batman feel better, and he was completely unhurt.
Surfer falling to a brick
Well he was extremely low on power from Galactus' barrier and had just been drained from a bunch of strong fights (including being blasted to the moon and crash - landing). Although that doesn't really excuse it, you should just be aware of the circumstances.
Darksied meets steps
He was under a concentrated psychic assault at the time that had completely incapacitated Superman
Superman handing him his ass on a platter, etc
Well of course DC's flagship character has to be able to actually beat one of his main enemies.
Prove it. Post where he said that it is canon... of course even then it'd be an appeal to authority fallacy. Also quit trolling and bashing. Reported.
Actually, if the authority counts as a canon source, it's not a fallacy. Also, I think you're being a little too aggressive with the report button.
Originally posted by Endless MikeOnly if what he's being appealed to they would be a vialid authority. However the fact that filler exists in the anime that never happened in the manga would be a strong indication of seperate continuity even if Akira Toriyama were to say its canon. I'd need to see some sort of evidence that makes him a valid authority on the quantum mechanics of M-theory.
Actually, if the authority counts as a canon source, it's not a fallacy.
Originally posted by Endless MikeHe breaks the rules he gets reported. Calling people fanboys breaks the rules therefore he gets reported.
Also, I think you're being a little too aggressive with the report button.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Frieza was in the middle of a fight with Trunks, and he was losing. I don't think he would just drop his guard there for no reason.I suppose you have a statement by him to back this up?
And an interview saying that he contributed some character designs doesn't count.
Actually, it left him drifting in space, barely alive, and he would have died if King Cold hadn't rescued him.
Freeza underestimated him, and we still don't really know what the sword was made of since it could have been Tapion's from the movie. Im not arguing this Im just thinking out loud.
All of that damage done to Freeza was there before the planet blew up, except the face. and that could have been there too because Goku did hit Freeza with a blast that for a minute looked to have killed Freeza.
as far as the interview, I've read a couple now where Toryiama stated this, heres one
The part with Oolong has him watching the anime and asking whats this, it didn't happen in the manga. The block under that is Toryiama explaining the manga would of course be too short to fill a 30 minute episode so its expanded but that Dragonball is both the anime and manga.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Only if what he's being appealed to they would be a vialid authority. However the fact that filler exists in the anime that never happened in the manga would be a strong indication of seperate continuity even if Akira Toriyama were to say its canon. I'd need to see some sort of evidence that makes him a valid authority on the quantum mechanics of M-theory.He breaks the rules he gets reported. Calling people fanboys breaks the rules therefore he gets reported.
Report yourself for calling people retarded idiots and the other garbage you've been spewing then get your fat finger off the report button so you can go find a life. I won't be replying to you again.
Originally posted by TheBadguyJust as superman is both the comics and the movie, but they aren't canon to each other. Just as X-men is both Ultimates and 616 but again aren't canon.
The part with Oolong has him watching the anime and asking whats this, it didn't happen in the manga. The block under that is Toryiama explaining the manga would of course be too short to fill a 30 minute episode so its expanded but that Dragonball is both the anime and manga.[/b
And that is certainly not him saying that "it is canon". 🙂
Originally posted by TheBadguyIt was a sock. Socks are not legitimate KMC members.
[B]Report yourself for calling people retarded idiots
Originally posted by TheBadguyReported for trolling... doped
and the other garbage you've been spewing then get your fat finger off the report button so you can go find a life. I won't be replying to you again.
Just as superman is both the comics and the movie, but they aren't canon to each other. Just as X-men is both Ultimates and 616 but again aren't canon.And that is certainly not him saying that "it is canon".
it pretty much is (I've taken years of french)
its stating an episode of dbz from the manga would pass to quickly for tv so team of animators extends it, in the corner he says "dragonball is the anime and the manga"
I dunno how much more clear he could be
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678By saying it directly maybe? Duh.
it pretty much is (I've taken years of french)its stating an episode of dbz from the manga would pass to quickly for tv so team of animators extends it, in the corner he says "dragonball is the anime and the manga"
I dunno how much more clear he could be
Originally posted by TheBadguy
[B]Freeza underestimated him, and we still don't really know what the sword was made of since it could have been Tapion's from the movie. Im not arguing this Im just thinking out loud.
Except the movie isn't canon at all, even less so than the anime fillers. Not to mention that movie takes place after the Buu Saga, and the Trunks that gets that sword is chibi Trunks from the main timeline.
All of that damage done to Freeza was there before the planet blew up, except the face. and that could have been there too because Goku did hit Freeza with a blast that for a minute looked to have killed Freeza.
So now you're just speculating.
as far as the interview, I've read a couple now where Toryiama stated this, heres one*snip*
The part with Oolong has him watching the anime and asking whats this, it didn't happen in the manga. The block under that is Toryiama explaining the manga would of course be too short to fill a 30 minute episode so its expanded but that Dragonball is both the anime and manga.
Sorry, I've seen that before, but what it actually says is that the anime has filler that the manga doesn't, and the filler wasn't written by Toriyama. Then he says that Dragonball has both an anime and manga, which just enforces the fact that they are separate continuities. It doesn't say anything about the anime being canon at all.
Phenomenol used to post that all the time, but he was completely oblivious to the fact that it supported exactly the opposite of what he was claiming. It starts by emphasizing that the anime and manga are different, then explaining that the anime contains lots of things that Toriyama didn't write, then stating that Dragonball is an anime and a manga (emphasizing that they are different, not that they are the same).
Conclusion: the anime is not canon
it pretty much is (I've taken years of french)its stating an episode of dbz from the manga would pass to quickly for tv so team of animators extends it, in the corner he says "dragonball is the anime and the manga"
I dunno how much more clear he could be
See above. He was explaining that the anime and the manga are different.
Originally posted by dadudemonOkay, the anime is canon to the anime but not the manga. The manga is canon tho the manga but not the anime. Since this is the manga version that should be used in this fight both due to stipulation, and the fact that this is in the comic book section and manga is japanese comic books... its the manga's canon that's to be used.
So why can't the anime be considered canon in its own right, then? It certainly helps quantify feats better...okay, wait...lol,..let me rephrase that. It certainly provides MORE conflicting information on DB feats, lol.
Sorry, I've seen that before, but what it actually says is that the anime has filler that the manga doesn't, and the filler wasn't written by Toriyama. Then he says that Dragonball has both an anime and manga, which just enforces the fact that they are separate continuities. It doesn't say anything about the anime being canon at all.Phenomenol used to post that all the time, but he was completely oblivious to the fact that it supported exactly the opposite of what he was claiming. It starts by emphasizing that the anime and manga are different, then explaining that the anime contains lots of things that Toriyama didn't write, then stating that Dragonball is an anime and a manga (emphasizing that they are different, not that they are the same).
Conclusion: the anime is not canon
he says they are the same though directly
dragonball c'est l'anime et le manga = dragonball is the anime and the manga
Originally posted by dvampirehe explains that and states the anime is the manga, if he states that then anime and manga would be canon t oeach other (they are extremely close, the animated series and comic of superman can't be compared)
The anime has filler episodes though, that aren't in the Manga, so it's not cannon to the manga.