Superman vs Goku (Official Thread)

I can't take it anymore.

If your talking about a stable Superman, (Superman Returns version) Super Saiyan Goku kills him.

Comics are weird, there are great comics, but a Super Heroes' power various too much to say any feat is accurate, some comic books contradict others. In DC, Laws, rules=Nothing. But in the Shonen Jump Manga, and a Superman movie, powers aren't contradicted, they stay the same. What I mean by a stable Superman is a Superman that's powers aren't contradicted and virtually abides by the laws of physics, (When Routh grabs a plane by its wing, the wing comes off)

So yeah, Super Saiyan Goku FTW.

Right, because DBZ doesn't have any contradictions or nonsensical parts.... 🙄

In Superman Returns, Superman lifted up a continent made of Kryptonite, that version brutalizes Goku almost as badly as comic book Supes

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Right, because DBZ doesn't have any contradictions or nonsensical parts.... 🙄

Not the Manga.

In Superman Returns, Superman lifted up a continent made of Kryptonite, that version brutalizes Goku almost as badly as comic book Supes

Superman went up into the clouds and absorbed a lot of Solar Energy, which canceled out the Kryptonite enough to make him half as strong as he usually is. And he could move at light speed, so his flight was strong enough to propel the rock into space, the only strength he needed was the strength to keep the rock balanced and his invulnerability to withstand all that weight.

Super Saiyan Goku is probably a little bit more durable, and a little bit faster too, but not too much faster, I put Freeza's laser beam at around the speed of light, seeing as how a being that could ketch bullets (Raditz) couldn't even see it, and Goku dodged the beam easily.

Here's why I say Goku was more durable, its an earlier quote from one of my posts.

Another durable substance is a Super Saiyan's skin, which was proven when Freeza's laser beam hit Goku's face and he smiled and said, "So the monster who can destroy a planet, can't even destroy one little man."

The laser could cut through Saiyan armor, which was millions of times more durable than anything a future Earth could produce, because of its flexibility. And the laser beam was annihilated when it made contact Goku's mouth...before he smiled...

SS goku barely pushed a mountain apart, prove that Goku can move the speed of light, just because a character cant see them moving or they show blurry lines does not make it light speed. If the energy attacks moved at light speed then how come people can watch the beam travel? W/e Goku has been hurt by a lot less.

Originally posted by superchron Goku has been hurt by a lot less. [/B]

Back when he was weaker.

Raditz gives a lot of testiment to how powerful Goku is, when Raditz caught the bullet, he through it back at the farmer, and knocked him unconscious, maybe even killed him. Which takes a lot of strength, and Goku had a lot more strength by the time he went Super Saiyan, way over 500 times more strength, not because of his powerlevel, but because his punches did so much more damage.

Its not that the beam was invisible to Raditz, its that it was so much more horrific/powerful/astronomical that they were incomparable.

BTW, I don't recall the Goku mountain incident in the Manga, which volume are you referring too?

If the energy attacks moved at light speed then how come people can watch the beam travel?

They don't use light to see when some one is moving that fast, they use senses to create a type of vision that replaces the eyes.

Freeza didn't have this power, only Goku and his friends did.

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
Back when he was weaker.

raditz gives a lot of testiment to how powerful Goku is, when raditza caught the bullet, he through it back at the farmer, and knocked him unconcious, maybe even killed him. Which takes a lot of strength, and Goku had a lot more strength by the time he went Super Saiyan, way over 500 times more strength, not because of his powerlevel, but because his punches did so much more damage.

Its not that the beam was invisible to Raditz, its that it was so much more horrific/powerful/astronomical that they were incomparable.

I realize this but even in the Buu Saga, Goku gets hurt by generic ki blasts and punches and kicks that in no are planet destroying. Supes has taken multiple planet destroying attacks, absorbed a weapon with enough energy to destroy a galaxy and even has flown strait through a RED sun. Superman from the movies, should by all means stomp Goku, he was turning back time by flying around the planet for god sakes.

The fact is most of DBZ's arguements are based on unsuppoted assumptions, if you go by actual feats, the winner is clear. no disrespect btw

Originally posted by superchron
I realize this but even in the Buu Saga, Goku gets hurt by generic ki blasts and punches and kicks that in no are planet destroying. Supes has taken multiple planet destroying attacks, absorbed a weapon with enough energy to destroy a galaxy and even has flown strait through a RED sun. Superman from the movies, should by all means stomp Goku, he was turning back time by flying around the planet for god sakes.

The fact is most of DBZ's arguements are based on unsuppoted assumptions, if you go by actual feats, the winner is clear. no disrespect btw

1: Again, what Manga volume are you referring to???

2: I'm not using comic Superman, I'm using movie Superman.

Superman did all that, yet he was hurt by Thor's hammer and Spiderman's punch, face it, comics contridict each other, Mangas don't.

Yeah Superman went back in time, that happens when a mass the size of a man moves at light speed.

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
1: Again, what Manga volume are you referring to???

2: I'm not using comic Superman, I'm using movie Superman.

Superman did all that, yet he was hurt by Thor's hammer and Spiderman's punch, face it, comics contridict each other, Mangas don't.

1. Look at Goku's whole fight with Kid Buu and Cell.

2. Thor's hammer is magic and would likely own Goku a whole lot worse

3. The Spider-Man incident happened a long time ago, and do you even know the context of it? Anyway that crossover is non-canon anyway.

4. Dont get anyone on here started about DBZ contradictions

1: During Goku's whole fight with Kid Buu and Cell he was getting hit a lot harder than he was against anyone before, but those punches did no more damage than Freeza's beam.

2: Then explain the Spidey incident.

3: Thats the thing! To each other, most comic books are non-canon, one comic is not more canon than the other.

4: Whats with the 1, 2, 3, 4 thing, are you mocking me??? JK

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
1: During Goku's whole fight with Kid Buu and Cell he was getting hit a lot harder than he was against anyone before, but those punches did no more damage than Freeza's beam.

2: Then explain the Spidey incident.

3: Thats the thing! To each other, most comic books are non-canon, one comic is not more canon than the other.

4: Whats with the 1, 2, 3, 4 thing, are you mocking me??? JK

1. The point is Superman hits a lot harder than Kid Buu or Cell

2. Spidey was Amped up considerably by Luthor before the fight, even with the amp Supes almost accidently killed Spidey, and the second the amp faded Spider-man tried to hit Supes and literally broke his hands

3. Actually canon is determined by lasting effects the comic has in it's universe. Since most crossovers are non-canon because their is no mention of the characters having been through said expierience. That's why, Crossovers, Elseworlds, and What ifs....., are not used in VS. discussions unless specified. Thats why when someone makes a SUPERMAN vs. it's assumed he's talking about current, main-stream Supes and not another version, unless stated otherwise

4.........maybe......... 😖hifty: .......jk

Originally posted by superchron
4.........maybe......... 😖hifty: .......jk

No one dare mock I, for I am the King of Bats!!!!!!!!! But its day time, so.....

BTW, Super Saiyan Goku>Movie Superman.

Comic Supes (crossover comics don't count, and aren't part of DCs timeline) wins this easy. We aren't using movie versions, but the cannon version of both of them. Which is comic Superman vs. Manga Goku.

Originally posted by dvampire
Comic Supes (crossover comics don't count, and aren't part of DCs timeline) wins this easy. We aren't using movie versions, but the cannon version of both of them. Which is comic Superman vs. Manga Goku.

I'll argue that the canon version of Superman is the one we all know and love, Christopher Reeves, the '78 movie version. In which case Goku pwns.

No one comic book is more canon than the other, we could argue that just because it has a bigger cultural impact that its more canon, but '78 Superman had the biggest impact. You can't use comics unless you come up with a general picture that everyone agrees on, which is impossible.

Are you going to argue the movie is canon and that the comics aren't? That's like saying the DBZ movies are canon or GT is canon.

Are you going to tell me that a Elseworld comic that has Superman raised differently or in a different country or even one where he gains new powers from the sun but it's killing him like in All-Star Superman is the exact same as the Action Comics and Man Of Steel that are ongoing and intertwine instead of just one-shots that have nothing to do with anything else. There is a reason for the word Non-canon. That's like saying Neko-Majin is canon to DB universe.

Originally posted by Kento
Are you going to argue the movie is canon and that the comics aren't? That's like saying the DBZ movies are canon or GT is canon.

Are you going to tell me that a Elseworld comic that has Superman raised differently or in a different country or even one where he gains new powers from the sun but it's killing him like in All-Star Superman is the exact same as the Action Comics and Man Of Steel that are ongoing and intertwine instead of just one-shots that have nothing to do with anything else. There is a reason for the word Non-canon. That's like saying Neko-Majin is canon to DB universe.

All the comics are canon, but they all contradict each other.

so...neko-majin is canon too there combat guru? what about the filler scene before the cell games where krillin casually tosses a rock at ssj and it actually hurts him? is that canon too then?

Originally posted by emporerpants
so...neko-majin is canon too there combat guru? what about the filler scene before the cell games where krillin casually tosses a rock at ssj and it actually hurts him? is that canon too then?

No its filler.

oh, i see, so filler doesn't count for goku...but elseworlds and the movies counts for supes? is that what you're trying to say? because if it is, then you're being a bit hypocritical.

Originally posted by emporerpants
oh, i see, so filler doesn't count for goku...but elseworlds and the movies counts for supes? is that what you're trying to say? because if it is, then you're being a bit hypocritical.

The Manga doesn't contradict itself, the Anime does, the comics contradict themselves, the movies don't.