also, i find if funny that you're saying that the comics aren't canon. thats just stupid. you do know what canon is right? your opinion on what should or shouldn't be canon is unimportant, the fact remains that the comics are canon, regardless of whether or not you want them to be canon.
also, if we are going to use your logic about what is canon and what isn't, does that mean that anything that exists in only one medium isn't canon is it contains contradictions? so i guess there's no such thing as a canon hyperion since he's only ever existed in comics and there have been a couple of contradictions about his power right? i guess there was no such thing as a canon version of supes until the movies came out correct? or a canon version of spidey until his movies came out seeing as how the cartoon had some contradictions as well as the comic! oh wait, there IS no canon version of spidey! after all, in the 3rd movie he decks mj in an out or control rage and doesn't kill her. CONTRADICTION! according to your logic there is no canon version of spidey.
Originally posted by emporerpants
also, i find if funny that you're saying that the comics aren't canon. thats just stupid. you do know what canon is right? your opinion on what should or shouldn't be canon is unimportant, the fact remains that the comics are canon, regardless of whether or not you want them to be canon.
Its canon but it contradicts itself, so why use it? No feats the right feat.
ok if you want to play that game. in the early manga there is a villian, i forget his name, he takes a stone pillar and throws it a huge distance and jumps on it. this is how he travels from place to place. thats a pretty good strength feat. later, we have the infamous ten tons feat from goku when he is training in the afterlife. it was calculated that the strength it would take to throw a pillar that far is far greater than 10 tons. so, i guess that dragon ball villian is stronger than base goku after the cell games? nope, thats a contradiction. so why use any feats from dragon ball right? no feats the right feat right?
Originally posted by Combat_GuruAll comics aren't canon. Alternate Universe comics aren't canon because they aren't the Superman from the ongoing titles like Batman/Superman, Action Comics, and JLA which are all canon.
All the comics are canon, but they all contradict each other.
Unless you really want to believe Freeza has a kid, there was actually 5 saiyan that made it from Planet Vegeta and that 5th one could also go super saiyan who if I remember right worked for Freeza but it's been a while so he may not have and that whenever they kept saying only 4 saiyans survived they were lying.
And as long as it's from a comic that isn't an Alternate Reality the feat is useable. You're not going to use a feat from All-Star Superman to show how powerful Canon Superman is.
Originally posted by emporerpants
ok if you want to play that game. in the early manga there is a villian, i forget his name, he takes a stone pillar and throws it a huge distance and jumps on it. this is how he travels from place to place. thats a pretty good strength feat. later, we have the infamous ten tons feat from goku when he is training in the afterlife. it was calculated that the strength it would take to throw a pillar that far is far greater than 10 tons. so, i guess that dragon ball villian is stronger than base goku after the cell games? nope, thats a contradiction. so why use any feats from dragon ball right? no feats the right feat right?
The one who through the stone pillar was General Tao Pai Pai. I don't recall the ten ton incident in the Manga, again, which volume was it?
I have only collected volumes 1-12, because I didn't like it after the Freeza Saga.
So Goku couldn't move at base with one hundred tons on each limb. I say 100 because he was on King Kai's world wasn't he? Doesn't sound like not being able to move under that much weight is contradicting anything. I never said Goku was stronger than movie superman, just faster and more durable, and at Super Saiyan, maybe equal in strength.
I put Super Saiyan at 75 times stronger than base.
Originally posted by emporerpants
so yeah, the contradiction remains. he wasn't on king kais world, he was on the different one where the gravity isn't mentioned at all.
Quit double posting!!!! Use the edit button!
It looked a lot like King Kai's world to me, where else could he be? Did you scan that out of a Manga book of your own? If so tell me which one, if not, how do you know it wasn't on Kai's world?
Was that after the Cell Saga?
Originally posted by emporerpants
no i didn't scan it from my book, i found the scan. also, i read the mange dude, thats how i know its not the same planet. there are many planets to be on. anyone who's read the manga, which you appranatly haven't done, can tell you that.
I've read most of the DBZ Mangas. Do you know if it was after or before the Cell Saga, if it was after, your right, Kai's world didn't exist.
Well Goku didn't have a halo, so he wasn't dead, only the Supreme Kaioshin has his own planet other than King Kai, and the clouds looked very similar to King Kai's world, its curious.
Oh wait Goku did have a halo. It was definitely heaven after the cell saga. But I'm still right, how do you know the pillar weighed ten tons, ten tons is a lot! Even under 100 G's he didn't weigh that much. And after the Freeza saga he didn't increase his speed and strength, he just controlled his powers. He just wasn't a agile with ten tons slowing him down.
yeah, it was after the cell saga. it was when baba said that goku would be allowed to return to earth for one day to compete in the world tourny, which turned out to be the start of the buu saga.
the point was that the size of the pillar and the distance it was thrown would be to great for someone around ten tons in strength. far to great.
Originally posted by emporerpants
yeah, it was after the cell saga. it was when baba said that goku would be allowed to return to earth for one day to compete in the world tourny, which turned out to be the start of the buu saga.
It was definitely heaven after the cell saga. But I'm still right, how do you know the pillar weighed ten tons, ten tons is a lot! Even under 100 G's he didn't weigh that much. And after the Freeza saga he didn't increase his speed and strength, he just controlled his powers. He just wasn't a agile with ten tons slowing him down.
There were no contradictions in the Manga.
we don't know if the pillar weighed ten tons. the fact is that even if it weighed one ton the distance it was thrown would be to far for someone who is around ten tons in strength. think about it, if soneone can only bench 100 pounds, how far can they throw 10 pound weight?
and goku should be far stronger than pai pai. so yes, there is a contradiction. sorry, but everything has a contradictions. this is why you have to average out the showings. thats why some feats are pis. thats just the way it is.
Originally posted by emporerpants
we don't know if the pillar weighed ten tons. the fact is that even if it weighed one ton the distance it was thrown would be to far for someone who is around ten tons in strength. think about it, if soneone can only bench 100 pounds, how far can they throw 10 pound weight?and goku should be far stronger than pai pai. so yes, there is a contradiction. sorry, but everything has a contradictions. this is why you have to average out the showings. thats why some feats are pis. thats just the way it is.
I can easily through a ten pound weight over ten feet, but I find it much harder to bench 100 pounds, my max is 135. Who says Goku at base couldn't throw ten tons just as far as Taio Threw the pillar? He could also easily lift ten tons, the weight was distributed on each limb, If I had to train with 100 pounds distributed all over my body I'd kill myself.
Benching and training with weight distributed on all of your limbs are completely deferent.
