Superman vs Goku (Official Thread)

Originally posted by Creshosk
Um... no it doesn't. Time is actually a constant and its how we perceive time that is slowed or enhanced.

😂 Yeah whenever we dodge something or move we go back in time... sorry but are you familiar with occam's razor?

Simpelest solution: It was not as fast as you say it was.

Goku can go back in time. 🙄

While its true with the distortion thing, Goku's hand too would be what's distorting. but that's assuming you can hit it with enough force to distort the thing you're hitting rather than your hand.
Link, not for the squeemish

And don't forget that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. At the same time the fist is hitting the chest the chest is hitting the fist. hich is why you can break something by hitting it on something else.

So its also possible that Goku would break his hand.

Except in Goku's case he's probably both the slow and the weak. Shall we get into the whole thing with how much weight Goku stated as having trouble with in the manga? Base form in the manga...

1: If what your saying is true than mass doesn't effect time and time doesn't effect mass, and that breaks Einstein's theory of general relativity. So you can't be right. Time does move slower relative to a moving object.

2: If a beam moves at light speed and you are quick enough to get out of the way than you are faster than light, he moved so fast that he went back in time when the beam was further away giving him time to get out of the way.

3: Goku is more invulnerable than movie Superman as I have already proven, must I repeat myself?

4: Goku is not slower, is it time for me to repeat myself then?

Originally posted by Magee
Considering movie Superman time traveled its safe to assume he can move faster than light, wether he can react at the speed is another story. It does not matter all Superman has to do is fly in to Goku at near light speed and its bye bye Goku. Every week some fanboy brings up a different version of Superman in an attempt for Goku to win. The only version that would probably lose is animated Superman.

Goku would see Superman coming, and step out of the way, and then Superman would have to regain momentum. It's like a big charging dummy vs a swift Aikido master.

1: If what your saying is true than mass doesn't effect time and time doesn't effect mass, and that breaks Einstein's theory of general relativity. So you can't be right. Time does move slower relative to a moving object.

Gravity effects not mass to be precise. Though your right about time moving slower to moving object. Time is variable Creshock although what relevancy it has to the argument is beyond him.

2: If a beam moves at light speed and you are quick enough to get out of the way than you are faster than light, he moved so fast that he went back in time when the beam was further away giving him time to get out of the way.

No you don't. Just like you don't have to faster than a bullet to dodge one. The light beam has much further to travel than the person does to dodge to the side. I.E light has to travel 10 feet while man only has to travel 1 in that time 1/10th of light speed.

Also there's no evidence going lightspeed sends you back in time either from DBZ or actual science. At lightspeed from your point of view you travel into the future as time has slowed so much by your point of view compared to the rest of the world. Look it up

3: Goku is more invulnerable than movie Superman as I have already proven, must I repeat myself?

To physical blows movie Superman is much more durable. He barely feels blows from fellow Kryptonians who are much stronger than Goku. Goku however does get hurt by blows from people at his Strength level.

I said Goku could win. Just not in close combat.

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
Gravity effects not mass to be precise. Though your right about time moving slower to moving object. Time is variable Creshock although what relevancy it has to the argument is beyond him.

No you don't. Just like you don't have to faster than a bullet to dodge one. The light beam has much further to travel than the person does to dodge to the side. I.E light has to travel 10 feet while man only has to travel 1 in that time 1/10th of light speed.

Also there's no evidence going lightspeed sends you back in time either from DBZ or actual science. At lightspeed from your point of view you travel into the future as time has slowed so much by your point of view compared to the rest of the world. Look it up

To physical blows movie Superman is much more durable. He barely feels blows from fellow Kryptonians who are much stronger than Goku. Goku however does get hurt by blows from people at his Strength level.

I said Goku could win. Just not in close combat.

1: Your correct about that

2: Correct again, you don't have to move as fast as light to dodge it, but you do to dodge several beams that move at lightspeed while remaining in the same spot, which Goku did, before he let Freeza hit him in the face.

4: The Kryptonians where no where near as strong as Goku, time to repeat myself, Superman used hardly any strength to propel the island into orbit, all he really used was his flight. He was straining to hold than much weight, he even passed out, that feat is hardly worth mentioning in pure strength, maybe durability, but not strength, Goku could do the same if his flight was as powerful. Movie Superman would strain even harder if he were training with ten tons distributed evenly all over his body.

Goku's harder better faster stronger.

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
1: If what your saying is true than mass doesn't effect time and time doesn't effect mass, and that breaks Einstein's theory of general relativity. So you can't be right. Time does move slower relative to a moving object.

Prove it. And no bunk wiki sites. Or didn't you know that quantum mechanics doesn't agree with releativity, and is what is used in comics hence the multiple(infinite) realitys that are portrayed?

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
2: If a beam moves at light speed and you are quick enough to get out of the way than you are faster than light, he moved so fast that he went back in time

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
when the beam was further away giving him time to get out of the way.

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
3: Goku is more invulnerable than movie Superman as I have already proven, must I repeat myself?

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
4: Goku is not slower, is it time for me to repeat myself then?

And quit using the non-canon movies. Want me to cite you the rule about using non-canon material that you're breaking?

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
1: Your correct about that

2: Correct again, you don't have to move as fast as light to dodge it, but you do to dodge several beams that move at lightspeed while remaining in the same spot, which Goku did, before he let Freeza hit him in the face.

4: The Kryptonians where no where near as strong as Goku, time to repeat myself, Superman used hardly any strength to propel the island into orbit, all he really used was his flight. He was straining to hold than much weight, he even passed out, that feat is hardly worth mentioning in pure strength, maybe durability, but not strength, Goku could do the same if his flight was as powerful. Movie Superman would strain even harder if he were training with ten tons distributed evenly all over his body.

Goku's harder better faster stronger.

Old version from a wiki site:

He later eventually escapes learning how to absorb power and absorbs Galactus's. He then escapes the dimensional void in a quadruple crossover comic series with Marvel, Anime, Image, and DC and absorbs the powers of every being in the universe in every timeline including Thanos's when he takes the heart of the universe. He has in turn become the most powerful being in the comic universe. Hyperstorm then found a way to restore the universe make it his empire and revive everyone in it without losing the power he gained from them.

Hyperstorm had a crossover with a style?

How about valid proof. Without breaking the rules?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Because einstien is right 100%? Even in comic books?

Prove it. And no bunk wiki sites. Or didn't you know that quantum mechanics doesn't agree with releativity, and is what is used in comics hence the multiple(infinite) realitys that are portrayed?

Bull. prove he went back in time. Post scans of this being stated.

According to you him going back in time would have had him gone into another dimension.

You haven't proven jack.

How about posting evidence.

And quit using the non-canon movies. Want me to cite you the rule about using non-canon material that you're breaking?

OMG! Your wrong! Just stop...

General Relativity is the excepted theory of Space and Time, we are not in the comic universe anyway.

Post scans of it being discarded.

Yep, he would go into another dimension, where the exact same things have happened.

I have proven jack! I've proven a whole lot of jack, enough jack to prove you wrong, 😛!

We aren't in comic book versus forums, and the movie isn't non canon either.

Wikipedia is correct on some issues, like what the general relativity is. If you don't want to read wikipedia, read a book! JC!

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
OMG! Your wrong! Just stop...

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
General Relativity is the excepted theory of Space and Time, we are not in the comic universe anyway.

Oh and its accepted. Normally I don't care about spelling mistakes, but I mean come on.

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
Post scans of it being discarded.

Oh and don't answer that, that's a rhetorical question as you obviously don't know anything that you haven't read off of a wiki site.

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
Yep, he would go into another dimension, where the exact same things have happened.

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
I have proven jack! I've proven a whole lot of jack, enough jack to prove you wrong, 😛!

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
We aren't in comic book versus forums, and the movie isn't non canon either.

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Keep breaking the rules and I will assume that you are trolling. and then you will be treated as such.

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
Wikipedia is correct on some issues,

If wikipedia is correct, then Sasuke from naruto is gay and a "naruto-sexual" Jubilee is one of the most powerful mutants in existance and Hyperstorm is the most powerful comic book character to ever have existed.

like what the general relativity is. If you don't want to read wikipedia, read a book! JC! [/B][/QUOTE] Sure. Give me scans of either a superman comic or a dbz manga that proves your points as since this is a comic book forum we use comic books...

Or are you going to be trolling now? Wanna know what usually happens to the trolls that troll around here? Just ask Phenomenol or Sarutobi or unrivaled.

Originally posted by Creshosk \Um sure... you do know that's a figure of speech which means nothing. You have indeed proven nothing to prove me wrong.[/B]

Figure of speech? Forget that my jacks in the box!!!!!

Look, wikipedia has some correct info and some false info, and some info inbetween, but the important thing is its right about the definition of general relativity, the science channel and a few books say the same the same as it does. It says that mass effects space time, and space time effects mass, and some other things.

Goku is more durable because he took Freeza's death beam to the face, where Superman has some incredible invulnerability feats, falling from earth orbit, taking a bullet to the eye, ect, but none match taking Freeza's death beam to the face. The only thing movie Superman could do is build enough momentum in flight to ram Goku, which won't do much cause Goku would just step out of the way at the last moment.

Superman held the kryptonite island while it was killing him after being beaten, and having just had a kryptonite shard taken out of him and you say it's a unusable feat and Gokou could do the same thing? He only passed out because Kryptonite not the weight. Even after being so weakened he still was able to survive reentry and impact without problem. You're also saying Gokou is faster than light because he dodges Freeza's Death Beam which you can't even prove is faster than light or even light speed? Also how is Gokou going to dodge something he won't even know is coming? It's not like Gokou is going to see Superman streaking at him at full speed. Superman was shown invulnerable to nearly everything but Kryptonite and you expect me to think Gokou is going to hurt him by punching him rapidly? When Gokou's biggest strength feat is going ssj to lift 10 tons which is nothing compared to Movie Superman much less comic.

Originally posted by Kento
Superman held the kryptonite island while it was killing him after being beaten, and having just had a kryptonite shard taken out of him and you say it's a unusable feat and Gokou could do the same thing? He only passed out because Kryptonite not the weight. Even after being so weakened he still was able to survive reentry and impact without problem. You're also saying Gokou is faster than light because he dodges Freeza's Death Beam which you can't even prove is faster than light or even light speed? Also how is Gokou going to dodge something he won't even know is coming? It's not like Gokou is going to see Superman streaking at him at full speed. Superman was shown invulnerable to nearly everything but Kryptonite and you expect me to think Gokou is going to hurt him by punching him rapidly? When Gokou's biggest strength feat is going ssj to lift 10 tons which is nothing compared to Movie Superman much less comic.

There were only fragments of kryptonite left in his skin, and the sun was probably more than equaling out the weakening of the krypt fragments. He was losing blood, but not that much, the main strain was holding the island, which was full of kryptonite, he couldn't have done it without the sun. Goku can sense anything coming, he read Krillin's mind, so his mental powers can easily comprehend Supes' speed. He would know Supes was coming at great speed. And Goku dodged not just one beam, but several, with out moving out of his position, and I know that the beam was moving around light speed. He wasn't weakened at all, the relief of the island gave time for the sun to recuperate his powers.

The main strain was holding an island full of the stuff that kills him. How is that hard to understand. It takes away his strength, and kills him. If the sun was evening out the effects of the K-nite then he wouldn't have started to sweat and he wouldn't have passed out. The sun gave him strength back before plowing under it sure but it didn't help him while he was lifting it. The island itself probably weighed more than Gokou could lift at full strength and even if he could he wouldn't be able to while being killed while doing it.
Gokou read Krillen's mind once and he had to concentrate to do so. Not an ability he ever shows again much less defines more to use it faster. He's not a telepath.

And how do you know Freeza's Death Beam was light speed when like 99% of blasts in the series aren't even close to that speed and not a single character can even move light speed?

Originally posted by Kento
The main strain was holding an island full of the stuff that kills him. How is that hard to understand. It takes away his strength, and kills him. If the sun was evening out the effects of the K-nite then he wouldn't have started to sweat and he wouldn't have passed out. The sun gave him strength back before plowing under it sure but it didn't help him while he was lifting it. The island itself probably weighed more than Gokou could lift at full strength and even if he could he wouldn't be able to while being killed while doing it.
Gokou read Krillen's mind once and he had to concentrate to do so. Not an ability he ever shows again much less defines more to use it faster. He's not a telepath.

And how do you know Freeza's Death Beam was light speed when like 99% of blasts in the series aren't even close to that speed and not a single character can even move light speed?

Who says no one can move at lightspeed?

The whole series proves that.

Originally posted by Kento
The whole series proves that.

Really?

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
Figure of speech? Forget that my jacks in the box!!!!!

Look, wikipedia has some correct info and some false info, and some info inbetween, but the important thing is its right about the definition of general relativity, the science channel and a few books say the same the same as it does. It says that mass effects space time, and space time effects mass, and some other things.

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
Goku is more durable because he took Freeza's death beam to the face, where Superman has some incredible invulnerability feats, falling from earth orbit, taking a bullet to the eye, ect, but none match taking Freeza's death beam to the face. The only thing movie Superman could do is build enough momentum in flight to ram Goku, which won't do much cause Goku would just step out of the way at the last moment.

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
Really?

Originally posted by Kento
Yes really.

You mean like really really?

4: The Kryptonians where no where near as strong as Goku, time to repeat myself, Superman used hardly any strength to propel the island into orbit, all he really used was his flight. He was straining to hold than much weight, he even passed out, that feat is hardly worth mentioning in pure strength, maybe durability, but not strength, Goku could do the same if his flight was as powerful. Movie Superman would strain even harder if he were training with ten tons distributed evenly all over his body.

You obviously don't understand how weightlifting works. Having just re watched the scene Superman is actually holding the entire island with his arms (if he had of balanced it on his shoulders you would be right). That means he is supporting the trillion ton mass of the island using his strength. He is also having having the force generated through his flight being transferred to the island through the arms.

He also throws it at the end, while weakened heavily by Kryptonite. So that damn well is strength and puts him at a vastly stronger level than Goku. Saying Superman who can lift and throw an island will have trouble with 10 ton weights is like saying I'd have trouble with 1 pound weights.

Also what's so amazing about Frieza's death beam?

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
You obviously don't understand how weightlifting works. Having just re watched the scene Superman is actually holding the entire island with his arms (if he had of balanced it on his shoulders you would be right). That means he is supporting the trillion ton mass of the island using his strength. He is also having having the force generated through his flight being transferred to the island through the arms.

He also throws it at the end, while weakened heavily by Kryptonite. So that damn well is strength and puts him at a vastly stronger level than Goku. Saying Superman who can lift and throw an island will have trouble with 10 ton weights is like saying I'd have trouble with 1 pound weights.

Also what's so amazing about Frieza's death beam?

Which I guess means that whenever a comic book character dodges a laser they're time and dimensionally traveling even though they can't move at light speeds, the theory of relativity is not concretely proven and doesn't apply to comic books any way as relativity and quantum mechanics don't agree and quantum mechanics are more than likely used since there are multiple dimension.

But hey, the same source that said that Sasuke is a Naruto sexual, that Hyperstorm is the most powerful character in all of comicdom including manga and that Jubilee is one of the most powerful mutants can't possibly be wrong. Because Combat_guru said so.