Originally posted by Kento
So what you're basically saying is Freeza's Death Beam and Freeza Saga Gokou is faster than Cell Saga and Buu Saga Gokou and blasts? Just because they couldn't see his blast?And Flash and Superman both travel light speed without ever time traveling.
Cell Saga Goku is much faster, I'd put Buu Saga Goku at the same level of speed as comic Superman.
Originally posted by Kento
To bad the fastest speed featin Buu Saga by somebody more powerful isn't even light speed so how do you get Gokou is light speed in the Freeza Saga and able to traverse Galaxies in minutes with his speed by Buu saga?
Goku can go to the edge of the universe instantaneously, its called instant transmission.
Theres a deference from flying a long way and finally building momentum, and being quick on your feet. Goku can't fly at light speed, but he's as quick and quicker than light speed, much quicker.
IT isn't his own speed either....That's why I said with his speed. Superman doesn't have to build up momentum to fly that fast. And Gokou has never shown to be able to move light speed in anything. In the Buu and Cell saga the regular humans see them fighting and they see the blasts while not easily they do see them.
Originally posted by Kento
IT isn't his own speed either....That's why I said with his speed. Superman doesn't have to build up momentum to fly that fast. And Gokou has never shown to be able to move light speed in anything. In the Buu and Cell saga the regular humans see them fighting and they see the blasts while not easily they do see them.
Superman doesn't use Super speed in a fight either, Goku has shown his ability to move at light speed when he became ghost-like and the death beams went through him.
Superman doesn't use Super speed in a fight either, Goku has shown his ability to move at light speed when he became ghost-like and the death beams went through him.
Oooh.. Amateurs mistake. This is the part where one of us blitzes you with countless scans of Superman fighting at high speed. Unless your talking movie, well then that's due to lack of actual fights more than anything.
Originally posted by Combat_GuruSo since one person has that power they both do?
1: There is no logic because its not proven in real life that you can go back in time, but according to Superman logic you can, and if thats true than yes, Goku goes back in time into another universe because he's so fast, but he didn't in the Manga because it doesn't go by Superman logic.
Awesome that means thay Superman can fire kamehamehas and use IT...
Originally posted by Combat_GuruNo, its according to your logic. Just because Superman has a power does NOT mean that Goku has that same power. Try again.
2: Not according to my logic, according to Superman logic, 😄
Originally posted by Combat_GuruAnd human eyes can't see bullets they must be moving faster han the speed of light!
3: It's proven that the human eye couldn't see the beam,
Originally posted by Combat_GuruBullets move faster than the eye can see and they don't give off any light. Guess bullets are faster than light.
and since the Z fighters couldn't see it with senses, it must not give off any light, thus it's faster than light itself.
Originally posted by Combat_GuruYeah I read your illogical arguments that lack empirical backing.
4: ^
So since one person has that power they both do?
I said according to Superman logic if you move fast enough you can achieve time travel, but not in DBZ, so you can't say that because Goku didn't go back in time he didn't move as fast as Superman.
And human eyes can't see bullets they must be moving faster han the speed of light!
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Bullets move faster than the eye can see and they don't give off any light. Guess bullets are faster than light.
I'm not going to bother, just like you won't bother to read what I type.
Yeah I read your illogical arguments that lack empirical backing.
God just give up!!!!! Your like a broken record, repeating yourself again and again and again and again. Seriously, just quit posting, your not arguing anymore, your imposing beliefs, no, your ranting.
Oooh.. Amateurs mistake. This is the part where one of us blitzes you with countless scans of Superman fighting at high speed. Unless your talking movie, well then that's due to lack of actual fights more than anything.
I don't care if he had one fight, he didn't dodge a single punch, he just stood there taking and giving blows, if he was fighting Goku than Goku would be giving and dodging blows, where as he'd still be giving and receiving tons of blows, and Goku's punches aren't soft.
Even comic Superman, lets see some of his feats, he got punched out by an amped spiderman, (He could have dodged the punch) He got pwned by the Hulk, Thor's hammer hurt him, (It wouldn't hurt a Super Saiyan Goku...at all) he didn't dodge Thor's hammer, he traded blows with Doomsday, some one who had the advantage in close up brawling, he couldn't stop one of Darkseid's missiles, and his heat vision couldn't melt it, he even stated that it's peak of durability was reentry. Goku would trump Superman in all of that!!!! Yes, there are some super PIS feats, but those aren't the real comic Superman, the real one is the one who brawls opponents stronger than himself.
Now before you post amazing Superman feats, remember that I will post pathetic feats, we'll see which he has more of, and he has a lot of pathetic feats, a lot.
Originally posted by Combat_GuruFirst Spider-Man and Hulk aren't canon. Two you act like being hurt by Hulk is a low showing. Three when has Hulk ever beaten him. Four Thor's hammer is magical. You know one of Superman's weaknesses. Five Doomsday is faster, and stronger than Superman something Gokou isn't.
Even comic Superman, lets see some of his feats, he got punched out by an amped spiderman, (He could have dodged the punch) He got pwned by the Hulk, Thor's hammer hurt him, (It wouldn't hurt a Super Saiyan Goku...at all) he didn't dodge Thor's hammer, he traded blows with Doomsday, some one who had the advantage in close up brawling, he couldn't stop one of Darkseid's missiles, and his heat vision couldn't melt it, he even stated that it's peak of durability was reentry. Goku would trump Superman in all of that!!!! Yes, there are some super PIS feats, but those aren't the real comic Superman, the real one is the one who brawls opponents stronger than himself.Now before you post amazing Superman feats, remember that I will post pathetic feats, we'll see which he has more of, and he has a lot of pathetic feats, a lot.
Superman may not move when hit but it's because he doesn't really need to. It's not going to hurt him much at all. Superman has training and he has a lot more experience fighting stronger and faster opponents than Gokou has ever faced. And compared to Darkseid, Doomsday, Bizarro, and Thor then Gokou does have soft punches.
Not to mention the reason that Doomsday was able to hurt Superman so much was because he was from Krypton, and thus cancelled out his bio-aura (this is canon, I can post scans if you want). Also Superman is way stronger now than he was back then.
Not to mention the whole idea of thinking that low feats invalidate high feats is just stupid.
Take Superman and Goku's best feats and compare them, Superman wins. Take Superman and Goku's average feats and compare them, Superman still wins. Take Superman and Goku's worst feats and compare them, Superman wins yet again (kid Goku was KO'd by a bullet. And don't complain about me using Kid Goku, if you think it's fair to use examples of Superman from 16 years ago).
Even comic Superman, lets see some of his feats, he got punched out by an amped spiderman, (He could have dodged the punch) He got pwned by the Hulk, Thor's hammer hurt him, (It wouldn't hurt a Super Saiyan Goku...at all) he didn't dodge Thor's hammer, he traded blows with Doomsday, some one who had the advantage in close up brawling, he couldn't stop one of Darkseid's missiles, and his heat vision couldn't melt it, he even stated that it's peak of durability was reentry. Goku would trump Superman in all of that!!!! Yes, there are some super PIS feats, but those aren't the real comic Superman, the real one is the one who brawls opponents stronger than himself.
Current Supermen is stronger than Superman from the nineties, how hard is that to understand?
SS Goku not being hurt by Thor? You know nothing about Thor. These are scans of Beta ray bill someone with the same powers as Thor and is his equal.
http://img478.imageshack.us/img478/2520/stormbreaker0308io5.jpg
http://img478.imageshack.us/img478/305/stormbreaker0309dg2.jpg
I'm sure Goku wouldn't be effected by a planet shattering hammer, that can absorb all froms of energy and has hurt Galactus and even a celestial.
Originally posted by Combat_Guru
Superman doesn't use Super speed in a fight either, Goku has shown his ability to move at light speed when he became ghost-like and the death beams went through him.
If you're talking that scene when he was fighting Burter and Jheese, that didn't happen in the manga.
Originally posted by SmashBro
If you're talking that scene when he was fighting Burter and Jheese, that didn't happen in the manga.
No I was referring to Freeza's death beams.
Z fighters quit using their strength and started focusing on speed in the Cell Saga, so they lost muscle mass and became weaker and quicker, which was why Goku was so much leaner in the Buu Saga than in the Freeza Saga. You can't use the Ten ton incident as proof that Goku wasn't weaker than Superman in the Freeza Saga.
You can't use the Ten ton incident as proof that Goku wasn't weaker than Superman in the Freeza Saga.
You can't just make stuff up either. The Z fighters intensified their strength training after Frieza, hence all the gravity training. Give me a Frieza saga strength or punching feat that is within a 1000th of Superman's strength.
Originally posted by Galvaclaw
You can't just make stuff up either. The Z fighters intensified their strength training after Frieza, hence all the gravity training. Give me a Frieza saga strength or punching feat that is within a 1000th of Superman's strength.
Movie Superman?
Super Saiyan Goku's first punch on Freeza 50%.
The Z fighters intensified their strength training after Frieza, hence all the gravity training.
If they really wanted to intensify their strength they would have kept up on the USSJ, you know, 2nd grade Super Saiyan, 3rd Grade Super Saiyan? Those levels were physically stronger than current comic Superman, but it left them sluggish, and they decided to master Super Saiyan, instead of intensify their strength. I'm not making anything up.
Movie Superman?Super Saiyan Goku's first punch on Freeza 50%
Okay, for your benefit I re-watched the scene Goku powers up and knocks Frieza a few hundred feet and then catches up and knees him in the back. That could be done with class 30 strength. Believe me I did the calculations. If Frieza weighs 70 KG class 30 strength would launch him at over 100m/s.
Please tell me how that comes close to been able to throw a multi billion tons island while dieing of Kryptonite poisoning.
If they really wanted to intensify their strength they would have kept up on the USSJ, you know, 2nd grade Super Saiyan, 3rd Grade Super Saiyan? Those levels were physically stronger than current comic Superman, but it left them sluggish, and they decided to master Super Saiyan, instead of intensify their strength. I'm not making anything up.
Ultra Super sayains are stronger than comic Superman? I've been giving you too much credit, you know nothing about Superman. Did a USSJ alter reality by punching someone? Did they send someone flying across the Solar System with a single punch, Shake the entire planet from high up in the atmosphere in a single blow? Shatter a moon.
Or was USSJ Trunks slightly stronger than Cell? Did a pumped up Cell only make a small crater in the ground when he punched it. What strength feats do they have that match Superman.
Originally posted by Galvaclaw
Okay, for your benefit I re-watched the scene Goku powers up and knocks Frieza a few hundred feet and then catches up and knees him in the back. That could be done with class 30 strength. Believe me I did the calculations. If Frieza weighs 70 KG class 30 strength would launch him at over 100m/s.Please tell me how that comes close to been able to throw a multi billion tons island while dieing of Kryptonite poisoning.
Ultra Super sayains are stronger than comic Superman? I've been giving you too much credit, you know nothing about Superman. Did a USSJ alter reality by punching someone? Did they send someone flying across the Solar System with a single punch, Shake the entire planet from high up in the atmosphere in a single blow? Shatter a moon.
Or was USSJ Trunks slightly stronger than Cell? Did a pumped up Cell only make a small crater in the ground when he punched it. What strength feats do they have that match Superman.
First of all, thanks, second I wasn't referring to how far he punched Freeza, but to how hard he punched Freeza, he did damage that no one else could match at that time.
USSJ was stronger than comic Superman, it was a Super Saiyan gone Super, increased in strength 75 time regular Super Saiyan, (Thats 3rd Grade SSJ) if Super Saiyan can make Goku easily move around with ten tons on him, than USSJ could make him lift/throw/punch what ever he wanted how ever hard he wanted. He just couldn't catch Cell. Cell didn't go USSJ, he went 100%, like Freeza, he did have Freeza's genes.
75 times in strength eh? where did you pull that number from? call me crazy, but i don't remember the manga EVER quantifiying like that. care to prove it? thats right, you can't, because there is no proof of that. besideds even if it WAS a 75 time increase, thats still NOTHING compared to supes. if you think it is, then you clearly don't read superman comics.
