Superman vs Goku (Official Thread)

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
Akira intended to end DB after the Freeza Saga, but if you want to use feats from that time line, Gotenks ripped a hole in space and time with his sonic breath alone, that was an intentional feat, every single retcon you mentioned was not intentional, every single feat I listed was intentional, you can't use those, sorry.

And Goku by far has enough strength to beat the crap out of Superman, and thats being generous, Superman does not have an aura in the movies, he got his Superman suit from krypton, which was thousands of years more advanced than Earth.

The suit in the comics was also made from Krypton. There's no reason to say he doesn't have it in the movies. His powers are the exact same and from the same power source. Also please Gokou hasn't show a third of the strength of any Kryptonian how is he suppose to beat up one? Pure strength at that. I'll give you the fact he may be able to beat Superman with a Warp Kamehameha from the movies because Supes never encountered anything like that in them but with pure strength is just ridiculous.

Can't use comic book superman cause his feats contradict(tacitly accepting that Goku can't beat comic book superman). Can't use anything after Freeza (cause they prove him wrong). Doesn't have proof of any of his arguments...

I'll give him this, his grammar is better. But he's still a fanboy troll fighting desperatly(although without a trance of valid logic) to win an argument he can't possibly win. And why can't he win? Well, there's that lack of evidence, the illogical arguments that are contradicted by actual evidence. This whole thought of him dictating what is and isn't useable without any logical reasoning which contradicts the rules.

Comic book superman absorbed the energy of the Meggadon, and took the explosion of the sun-eater, and can vibrate through attacks even energy attacks. This alone prove that his argument of using a warp kamehameha ineffective in that A.) they do not contain the power to destroy a galaxy. B.) he could vibrate through it to not be hit by it. C.) It assumes that Goku would be fast enough to hit superman.

This is of course why he said we're using movie Superman (thus breaking the forum rules).

It's clear that he has no intention of debating honestly or fairly. HE picks what's acceptable in spite of the rules for both sides no less.

Yeah this guy is just another troll. How long til this guy is removed from the forum you think? We are racking up alot of troll kills on this forum.

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
Goku could move faster than light before Super Saiyan, and it's right from the manga itself!!!!!!!!!!

DBZ Vo. 10, PG 136-141.

In order for some one to get within a safe distance of an explosion in between the end of a mass and the beginning of it's conversion into energy you would have to be moving at many times the speed of light.

Okay, I'm calling bullshit. The speed of an explosion depends on its detonation velocity. The highest detonation velocities for explosions in the atmosphere are around 10,000 meters/second. Not close to lightspeed.

The speed of Goku's punch makes up for it's strength

Do you have calculations for his punching speed? Not to mention all of the kinetic energy imparted would be seen in the effect of the blow, and Goku's punches/kicks have never shown nearly as much power as Superman's have.

and as I said before, the more you hit something the more it distorts, and if you keep hitting it before it recovers, than it will distort even more, and Goku doesn't always have to use his strength, he can use Chi blasts in between punches to avoid damage to his fist. But he wouldn't need to because Chi does more damage per size weight ratio the stronger it's user becomes.

You speak like Superman is just going to stand there and not even attempt to dodge or fight back.

What proves Goku at Super Saiyan can't move at lightspeed???????

What proves Superman doesn't have a secret power that only works on Goku but can kill him automatically?

You see the problem with proving a negative?

uperman relies on his sight, Goku could use that against him to get a Kamehameha in the same way he did with Freeza.

Superman has so many senses he's practically omniscient. He can hear across interstellar distances, FFS.

Goku could use instant transmission to teleport right next to Superman at the last moment of his Kamehameha, making it impossible for Supes to dodge, which would kill him.

Because it's not like he would have to charge it up somewhere before teleporting, or spend time trying to lock on to Superman's ki signature (which would be a bit difficult, considering he doesn't have one), or that Superman would be able to react faster than anyone in the DBU and dodge it easily, or he hasn't taken attacks way more powerful and survived.... 🙄

That probably wouldn't work, which was why I edited it, Goku could use instant transmission to teleport right next to Superman at the last moment of his Kamehameha, making it impossible for Supes to dodge

I love how you have provided absolutely no evidence for this.

hich would leave him vulnerable to Goku, in which case Goku would kill him by beating him to death.

ROFLMAO.... do you realize that Goku's physical strength is nowhere near enough to even tickle Supes? He's been punched straight through the earth and been fine. The most Goku has ever done is kicked people through islands.

Super Saiyan Goku in the Freeza saga had more physical strength than Super Saiyan in the Buu saga, because like I said before, they stopped caring about how strong they were.

Wait, what?

Akira intended to end DB after the Freeza Saga, but if you want to use feats from that time line, Gotenks ripped a hole in space and time with his sonic breath alone

How is that quantifiable or useful in a fight?

that was an intentional feat, every single retcon you mentioned was not intentional, every single feat I listed was intentional, you can't use those, sorry.

You don't decide what is canon.

And Goku by far has enough strength to beat the crap out of Superman

Prove it or STFU

Originally posted by Endless Mike
ROFLMAO.... do you realize that Goku's physical strength is nowhere near enough to even tickle Supes? He's been punched straight through the earth and been fine. The most Goku has ever done is kicked people through islands

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question, if we were to use anime goku's highest feats would he pose a better threat (forgetting the low-end ones like we're doing with superman) if only the high feats are used it puts them on better terms

Look at the Superman respect thread. Do you honestly think that it would matter if you use all of Goku's high feats, that he'll actually pose a threat to Supes?

Originally posted by dvampire
Look at the Superman respect thread. Do you honestly think that it would matter if you use all of Goku's high feats, that he'll actually pose a threat to Supes?

I can't even really remember Gokou having any high-end feats in the anime. Most high-end anime feats I remember usually belong to somebody else. Course it's been ages since I've actually watched anything but the Bardock and first Broli movie.

Originally posted by Kento
I can't even really remember Gokou having any high-end feats in the anime. Most high-end anime feats I remember usually belong to somebody else. Course it's been ages since I've actually watched anything but the Bardock and first Broli movie.

no, unless you count the craptacular dub line of piccolo saying raditz is faster than light, which is certainly not what piccolo really said.

Originally posted by emporerpants
no, unless you count the craptacular dub line of piccolo saying raditz is faster than light, which is certainly not what piccolo really said.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
no, the one when they were on freeza's pplanet I think burter said he was faster than light in the anime (plus the anime shows them using a lot more power like vegeta destroying a planet easily)

Originally posted by Creshosk
Do we really need to go over the whole concept of trash talking to psyche out your opponents strategy that's heavily implemented in DBZ again?

but thats twice theyve been stated to go light speed in the anime (not saying they can fight at light speed) its not hard to believe that at top flying speed they are somewhere around light speed (superman has flown slower than light speed at times in times that it mightve been better had he been faster)

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
but thats twice theyve been stated to go light speed in the anime (not saying they can fight at light speed) its not hard to believe that at top flying speed they are somewhere around light speed (superman has flown slower than light speed at times in times that it mightve been better had he been faster)

A liar telling the same lie twice, does not make it true. Nor does two seperate liars telling the same lie make it true either.

Originally posted by Creshosk
And more than twice several of the thwarted villians claim to be undefeatable.

A liar telling the same lie twice, does not make it true. Nor does two seperate liars telling the same lie make it true either.

well isnt tha tcomparable to superman saying he can smash anything if he hits in long enough when its been seen he cant,

imperiex said he was undefeatable and that he could destroy a universe, he obviously wasnt undefeatable butu yet he could destroy a universe

Ya but Imperiax and Supes both have feats to back up their claims

Originally posted by Creshosk
Can't use comic book superman cause his feats contradict(tacitly accepting that Goku can't beat comic book superman). Can't use anything after Freeza (cause they prove him wrong). Doesn't have proof of any of his arguments...

I'll give him this, his grammar is better. But he's still a fanboy troll fighting desperatly(although without a trance of valid logic) to win an argument he can't possibly win. And why can't he win? Well, there's that lack of evidence, the illogical arguments that are contradicted by actual evidence. This whole thought of him dictating what is and isn't useable without any logical reasoning which contradicts the rules.

Comic book superman absorbed the energy of the Meggadon, and took the explosion of the sun-eater, and can vibrate through attacks even energy attacks. This alone prove that his argument of using a warp kamehameha ineffective in that A.) they do not contain the power to destroy a galaxy. B.) he could vibrate through it to not be hit by it. C.) It assumes that Goku would be fast enough to hit superman.

This is of course why he said we're using movie Superman (thus breaking the forum rules).

It's clear that he has no intention of debating honestly or fairly. HE picks what's acceptable in spite of the rules for both sides no less.

Yeah this guy is just another troll. How long til this guy is removed from the forum you think? We are racking up alot of troll kills on this forum.

I was right, you had no intention of apologizing for calling me a duchebag, and your still nothing but a flamer.

I like Superman more than Goku, his 78' movie was better, and he's a greater iconic figure than anything in DBZ, and he's American, he just wouldn't win in a fight, oh yeah I'm really trolling aren't I? 😛

Originally posted by superchron
Ya but Imperiax and Supes both have feats to back up their claims

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
yeah, but so does goku he's moved extremely fast in his best showings and it has only been quantified at light speed

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Scans. 🙂.

Sorry I don't have much evidence due to no scanner. Unless your super fast like superman should be. You can't tell where the hell goku is. I assume Superman the big shot he is can keep up with Goku. If anyone sees DB, DBZ, DBZ GT knows that only high level characters can actually know what goku is doing much less react to him. Goku can actually absorb spirit power. Meaning that he can actually take energy away from someone, but this is usually if the other chracter complies. Assume that Goku is bloodlusted beyond ethics and morale. He can focefully absorb power from any sentient being. Im not sure if that would be the ideal weapon against supes but lets just say he doesn't do that because it might be stretching his powers.
BTW anyone ever hear of the dragon punch? Sounds lame but its the end game weapon people. Nothing survives it and no one can replicate it. Its exactly what it is, the weapon only used once to destroy one of the strongest being in the the DB universe.
Goku power potential is incalculable. Machines have tried (i.e. robotic freeza and his advanceed tech) They simply over loaded. This was at the time when he was relatively weak in DBZ. I mean in DBZ GT SSJ4 lol will make that old DBZ version of Goku laughable at best.
How about his strength you say? Easily shrugged off the devil when fighting through hell and heaven to get back to the living. Through sheer might alone he is able to destroy mountains and levitate boulders. When charging up his energy beings who were able to detect energy signatures was able to sense his output throughout the universe.
He actually came back from the dead a couple times through his own will and not some magical wish dragon.
A kame wave can send an opponent into another planet or star as he has done with one Broli. He actually hit him with a energy blast that it went from earth to the sun in a contunious stream. I mean it would be unwise for him to send supes into the sun but lets just say into a star and the star explodes and thats gonna hurt a bit.
I don't think superman can even hit GOku, he has fought against people who can be everywhere at once by cutting holes in the dimension and punch and kick and blast goku at once and in different directions but Goku was able to play his game and beat him. So sorry folks speedblitz would be at best an amusing effort.
HV and Cold breathe you say? He was hit with the a fire demons most powerful shot and felt a small tingling sensation. Cold Breath, maybe you can catch him if he is sleeping.
A blood lusted Goku has never been witnessed. Mild mannered Goku has never lost; if Goku started getting nasty and evil there is not much Superman can do.