mace vs traya

Wow, Ivalice. You have to be the forum's Ferrous Cranus. All these people on here telling you something that's common knowledge to TSL players and you are arguing against it? The three remaining Jedi in TSL confronted the exile and easily overcame her. In the game, the exile could learn each of the highest lightsaber forms or highest force forms from each of them. They survived a purge which nearly wiped out the jedi order. I wouldn't call them 'nobodies'. Clearly you need to play the game for once and with an open mind.

Originally posted by Faunus
WTF is this? Three of the most powerful Jedi Masters of the era are "utter weaklings"? Is that based on anything?

It does sound rather illogical and questionable, and I would agree that Ivalice's statement is clearly exaggerated. Though, in the same token, evidence is required to prove that even these three are a match or on par with Mace Windu; that they were among the most powerful of their own era is not an indicator that this is so.

Mace Windu is pretty much unique among jedi though. Aside from prodigious upstarts like Dooku, Exar Kun, and Anakin, Mace Windu is one of the strongest jedi who didn't fall to the dark side.

Originally posted by Darth Rogers
Mace Windu is pretty much unique among jedi though. Aside from prodigious upstarts like Dooku, Exar Kun, and Anakin, Mace Windu is one of the strongest jedi who didn't fall to the dark side.

I think besides Yoda that Mace is the strongest jedi to not ever go to the darkside at some point.

Yeah, someone told me that Luke even went to the dark side after the movies. I thought that was really stupid and contradicts what they tried to establish in the movies.

Yep he turned to the dark side to try and defeat DE Sidious.

Originally posted by Gideon
It does sound rather illogical and questionable, and I would agree that Ivalice's statement is clearly exaggerated. Though, in the same token, evidence is required to prove that even these three are a match or on par with Mace Windu; that they were among the most powerful of their own era is not an indicator that this is so.

I'm confused,did Traya use the force drain technique to kill them? Because she says "Let me show you—you, who have forever seen the galaxy through the Force. See it through the eyes of the exile." That sounds like she wanted to sever their force connection.

It seems like she did, yeah. The Exile also notes that their corpses seem completely devoid of the Force.

Originally posted by Faunus

WTF is this? Three of the most powerful Jedi Masters of the era are "utter weaklings"? Is that based on anything?

And HOW are they "the most powerful" of their era when they have yet to accomplish anything remarkable with the force?

Originally posted by Faunus

Unfortunately, if Kreia was pissed off, it likely would be.

It occurs to me that you forget the stronger the opponent, the higher his defences and resistance are. Yes, kreia will beat mace with the force but it would be no easy feat as you are trying to imply.

Originally posted by Faunus

Right. So Mace Windu, a Jedi, is going to defeat Darth Traya, a powerful Sith Lord, with the Dark side. Brilliant.

Your making it sound as if its ownage hence i see the need to engage in a debate.

I think that suspending hundreds of tons of rock with TK is alot more impressive than killing three jedi masters whom have yet to demonstrate any remarkable combat prowess.

Mace does have force crush in his arsenal so that may come into play.

And HOW are they "the most powerful" of their era when they have yet to accomplish anything remarkable with the force?

Attaining the rank of master in an era that has the likes of Exar Kun, Revan and Nihilius in it is not nothing. They also survived the Jedi Purge despite the advantages held by their hunters. They also stunned someone as Powerful as the Exile and could teach her the highest levels of Force Mastery

And that you would have to prove. Wow so because it worked on 3 masters it means it would work on some one obviously MUCH more powerful than even the three jedi masters combined.

I seriously doubt that.

Traya could take him down in the Force and his Vaapad and Shatterpoint would be useless against her floating lightsabers. Note also how she killed dozens of Sith without a gesture, glance or visible sign of effort. THAT'S impressive.

Wait, floating sabers? If the Exile can deal with those Mace Windu certainly can.

Originally posted by Darth Exodus
Attaining the rank of master in an era that has the likes of Exar Kun, Revan and Nihilius in it is not nothing. They also survived the Jedi Purge despite the advantages held by their hunters. They also stunned someone as Powerful as the Exile and could teach her the highest levels of Force Mastery

You seem to forget that it was the THREE COMBINED efforts of the masters it took to stun the exile, not individually so no, that does not count.

Originally posted by Darth Exodus

Traya could take him down in the Force and his Vaapad and Shatterpoint would be useless against her floating lightsabers. Note also how she killed dozens of Sith without a gesture, glance or visible sign of effort. THAT'S impressive.

You seem to forget that it was the THREE COMBINED efforts of the masters it took to stun the exile, not individually so no, that does not count.

so it took 3 Jedi Masters to temporarily immobilize the Exile
but she's an average jedi
this forum is very strange

so it took 3 Jedi Masters to temporarily immobilize the Exile
but she's an average jedi
this forum is very strange

To quote Darth Sexy: No

Again its not like mace can't destroy her floating lightsabers with force crush.. easily.

Yes its obviously easy to out-force Traya, simultaniously crush the metal and crystal of three lightsabers and aviod being skewered all at the same time.
Now why DIDN'T I see that.

Wow they survived some ass war so it means they are gods, i guess this alone makes vader a force god seeing he tooled jedi easily whom survived order 66.

Escaping from clone is nothing. Escaping from Sith specially trained to hunt them isn't.
Average Jedi. Not Jedi Master's. He had to sweat against The Dark Lady(even though he can't).

Originally posted by Darth Exodus

Yes its obviously easy to out-force Traya, simultaniously crush the metal and crystal of three lightsabers and aviod being skewered all at the same time.
Now why DIDN'T I see that.

Originally posted by Darth Exodus

Escaping from clone is nothing. Escaping from Sith specially trained to hunt them isn't.

Originally posted by Darth Exodus

Average Jedi. Not Jedi Master's. He had to sweat against The Dark Lady(even though he can't).

You too seem to forget he underestimated her hence he took a sweat.

You SERIOUSLY need to remove your dick from trayas mouth and that k2 copy from your ass

It wouldn't be hard for mace to crush her sabers considering the fact that he could use the force to destroy TANKS.

When?
If he did then, well, he didn't have to out-force someone as powerful as Traya to do it. I notice that you skipped over her feat of Sith killing, which took SKILL. And she didn't even strain, unlike Mace, who struggled against Grevious.

You seem to forget that the moment vader resorted to the force and took her seriously, she gets smacked down,

Well, duh. Vader is a Sith Lord and can beat pretty much everyone in his era, but she still gave him a fight which was my point. He did not 'tool her easily'

Anyway, back on topic. Traya Force-drains him and he dies.

When did Mace struggle against General Grievous at all, now? And how is destroying her sabers 'outforcing' her? She is simply controlling them. They are still vulnerable hunks of metal

Well she would try to block him. I thought that was obvious.