mace vs traya

Originally posted by Ivalice
And why were they able to do that? Simple because they were VERY powerful force users you idiot hence they could do that feat.

is this implying that kreia is not?

Originally posted by Ivalice
Does it matter? It was massive and impressive feat.

Originally posted by Ivalice
Really? And just what is there to even indicate she is as skilled as mace in sheer TK? I'd love to see an idiot like you prove it.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
is this implying that kreia is not?

Because she is simply not as powerful as the ones you had mentioned?

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11

um.... yes it does actually, this was me saying that you actually might never actually need to use tk of that magnitude... and thus if kreia never had a chance to show this power in tk, how would you know wether or not she could?

Again what is there to even indicate that she can use TK at that magnitude? Simply because she has never demonstrated TK at that level, it cannot be assumed that she can use TK at that peak.

You make a claim, you prove up and if you cannot and will not then shut the hell up.

You made a claim that she could use TK at that same level, the burden falls on you, YOU have yet to prove up and all you are doing as usual is speculating.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11

skill or strength? i just proved skill...

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11

it would be hard to prove strength because, as i stated before, kreia never had a chance to show strong telekenesis,

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11

but she did however show incredible skill in telekenesis with her tele-saber combat.

Lifting hundreds and tons of rocks >>>>> suspending 3 lightsabers, Hell weakling TESB luke could lift multiple rocks at a time.

Again it wouldn't make a difference if she used TK to fight with 3 lightsabers, its not like mace can't cancel out the course of the lightsaber or better yet force crush 3 of them rendering them useless.

Originally posted by Ivalice
Lol your an idiot, mace suspended hundreds of tons of rock in the air with TK alone, thats far greater display of TK than what kreia ever did.

1. When was it "hundreds of tons"? What source are you using?

2. Kreia has the TK expertise to manipulate three lightsabers in combat- something unprecedented.... OMFG by your logic she beats Mace Windu because he hasn't replicated the exact same feat, irregardless of circumstances!

3. In the cut content of KotOR II, Kreia pulverizes the three Jedi masters who are helpless BEFORE she zaps them into oblivion without any effort at all. It's apparent that, even considering the cut, Kreia is supposed to be the top-of-the-line force user in her era. Mace Windu is good, but his real strength is raw strength and lightsaber technique, as well as trying to get into his opponent's head. Read Shatterpoint for details. Mace Windu gets jumped by goons with slug-throwers and can only run. He didn't embrace the base and TK frag them all or throw buildings at them.

I don't see him surviving a force drain, or massive TK done by a far more decorated and powerful force user simply because he's a) from the movies, ergo he's so much cooler than anything else, unless it's a novel/game/comic version of said movie character; then if that novel/game/comic version is somehow better than his movie counterpart, novel/game/comic version's feats will necessarily be absolute canon despite Chee's direct quote that the movies themselves are firstly canon. B) He's Sammy Jackson. In most debates this may float, but not here. C) You simply refuse to believe in anything unless it's rammed into your skull over and over again.

Originally posted by Ivalice
Because she is simply not as powerful as the ones you had mentioned? [/quote}
um... katarn is a very minor character and is defenitely not as powerful as kreia, showing simply a massive tk. but this is not katarn vs kreia....

Because being strong in one aspect of the force(force drain etc) does not mean you are just as good in other areas of the force?

Again what is there to even indicate that she can use TK at that magnitude? Simply because she has never demonstrated TK at that level, it cannot be assumed that she can use TK at that peak.

You make a claim, you prove up and if you cannot and will not then shut the hell up.

You made a claim that she could use TK at that same level, the burden falls on you, YOU have yet to prove up and all you are doing as usual is speculating.

1. substantiate. i requested some sort of proof that maul could hold up 100 tons with tk or some sort of precedent. yet, i am forced to believe that supershadow told you he could 💃

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You have yet to prove ANYTHING.
Then it cannot be assumed she has "immense telekenesis".
Wow big deal, suspending 3 lightsabers = incredible skill. I guess vader is a TK god because he ripped a massive bridge to pieces and used all the shrapnel as missles.

Lifting hundreds and tons of rocks >>>>> suspending 3 lightsabers, Hell weakling TESB luke could lift multiple rocks at a time.

Again it wouldn't make a difference if she used TK to fight with 3 lightsabers, its not like mace can't cancel out the course of the lightsaber or better yet force crush 3 of them rendering them useless.

Originally posted by Janus Marius
1. When was it "hundreds of tons"? What source are you using?

2. Kreia has the TK expertise to manipulate three lightsabers in combat- something unprecedented.... OMFG by your logic she beats Mace Windu because he hasn't replicated the exact same feat, irregardless of circumstances!

3. In the cut content of KotOR II, Kreia pulverizes the three Jedi masters who are helpless BEFORE she zaps them into oblivion without any effort at all. It's apparent that, even considering the cut, Kreia is supposed to be the top-of-the-line force user in her era. Mace Windu is good, but his real strength is raw strength and lightsaber technique, as well as trying to get into his opponent's head. Read Shatterpoint for details. Mace Windu gets jumped by goons with slug-throwers and can only run. He didn't embrace the base and TK frag them all or throw buildings at them.

I don't see him surviving a force drain, or massive TK done by a far more decorated and powerful force user simply because he's a) from the movies, ergo he's so much cooler than anything else, unless it's a novel/game/comic version of said movie character; then if that novel/game/comic version is somehow better than his movie counterpart, novel/game/comic version's feats will necessarily be absolute canon despite Chee's direct quote that the movies themselves are firstly canon. B) He's Sammy Jackson. In most debates this may float, but not here. C) You simply refuse to believe in anything unless it's rammed into your skull over and over again.

um... wow! a skilled debator on my side of the arguement 🙂 💃 💃 💃 💃

wait... did i win one?

YES!!!! I RULE DA GALAXY!!!

i won a debate.... o yeaaaaa!

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
YES!!!! I RULE DA GALAXY!!!

i won a debate.... o yeaaaaa!

Originally posted by Ivalice
Wow big deal, suspending 3 lightsabers = incredible skill. I guess vader is a TK god because he ripped a massive bridge to pieces and used all the shrapnel as missles.

Originally posted by Elite Hunter
If your side won(which im not saying it has or hasnt) it would be because of Janus NOT you.

dude. any more hopes and dreams you feel like crushing? janus said the exact same thing as I did.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
dude. any more hopes and dreams you feel like crushing?

What do you got? 😛

janus said the exact same thing as I did.

hmm :/ no he didnt. facts is facts. could we just like.... be a team this time? ;( i mean.... between the two of us ivalice backed off...

KnightFa11, you haven't done anything other than troll constantly and embarass yourself with immature stupidity..

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
hmm :/ no he didnt. facts is facts. could we just like.... be a team this time? ;( i mean.... between the two of us ivalice backed off...

conceded

Oops 😕

Originally posted by Faunus
Stop twisting facts. The "massive bridge" Vader ripped apart was a wooden walkway on Kashyyyk, not some superstructure as you're implying. It's not that big of a deal, so don't treat it like it is.

While it wasn't precisely a superstructure, it was a pretty kickass feat, given the shit that Vader had been through with the suit's limitations and so forth. He also displayed some remarkable control over it, dismantling the entire thing and hurling them at critically precise spots on Roan's anatomy.

I dont see how you can give credit soly to janus even though he is an amaizing debator. he said the same thing i did. he must have more of a reputation?

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11

4. your overconfidence in insults is your weakness. kreia actually DID use telekinesis to an unprecidented level. implementing tk to wield 3 lightsabers without the use of her hands, is in fact amaizing telekenesis.

substantiate that mace held 100s of tons of rock with the force. even if you do, kreia still shows at least the same ability with her tk lightsaber combat.

Originally posted by Janus Marius
1. When was it "hundreds of tons"? What source are you using?

2. Kreia has the TK expertise to manipulate three lightsabers in combat- something unprecedented.... OMFG by your logic she beats Mace Windu because he hasn't replicated the exact same feat, irregardless of circumstances!

i dont see much difference in presentation here....

also, i made points that he in fact didnt. he made points that I in fact, didnt. is it because he has been here longer and won more that you cant accept that i have had my first victory on these forums?

he even said those after i said what i said. i dont get your point....

haha the bridge was a kashykk wooden walkway? lmao that is like the most godlike tk he could come up with? seriously... i would have picked something like nihilus's abilty to hold his whole ship together and make it run on the force for years after malachor and show little-no distraction while doing it.

Originally posted by Gideon
While it wasn't precisely a superstructure, it was a pretty kickass feat, given the shit that Vader had been through with the suit's limitations and so forth. He also displayed some remarkable control over it, dismantling the entire thing and hurling them at critically precise spots on Roan's anatomy.