Originally posted by jinzin
Probably. And he probably came to the same conclussion that I did.. That IF Mary was affecting people's heads, Wolverine would be way worse off having been hounding after her all night, on top of the fact that DD wasn't "around her" he was on the top of a building roof when everything started between him and Logan. Logan was/should have been much more effected by her than DD and that's forgetting the fact that they were lovers not long before this story takes place.
Well you know what its just seems like you're trying your best to make something up. Wolverine was chasing her and he didn't come to the conclusion that you did. He didn't say something like "Why aren't I affected." Hell hes resisted the Phoenix hasn't he?
Anyway im gonna have to find that reference where DD said the suit hindered his fighting ability.
Originally posted by jinzin
You also don't see him using it to support the premise of his debates where Spiderman's involved... So I don't know what you think you're getting at there but you're misguided as usual. I suppose you think Cap dropping Hulk with punches was good writing too?
LOL isn't that fight in your respect thread? Yeah so what not bad writing though is it?
Look all I said was that Cap stunned PROFESSOR HULK with a pressure point and you didn't adress the point. Cap may be able to KO Hulk with a pressure point but not brute force.
Originally posted by jinzin
Uh-No.. he even ignored the write-ups or the stories about Wolverine crusading nonstop. He did what you do all the time, assumed the worst for Wolverine in an attempt to discredit him from doing what he does a majority of the time.
Maybe you guys can start your own team. 🙂
Well I have some of the issues you refered to i'll have a look when I have time.
I find it hard to believe though that he can change his clothes but not get something to eat if he hadn't done that you may have had a point. He obvoulsy rested.
Originally posted by jinzin
As for that whole IF debacle. I went back and read through it.. He got whipped by the dragons tale. ZOMG I can't believe he even survived that! 🙄
Let me guess the tail Koed him? How is that relevant?
Originally posted by carver9
This is my last post for tonight, good job with the debating raoul, made some nice post.
this'll be my last too, as i think the thread's been derailed anough...
Ok, you said that superman dont fight to the full extent of his ability because he try to reason with his enemies. How many times does he have to fight kalibak and darksied to realize that its to late to reason with them.
darkseid has fast enough reflexes so that superman can't blitz him, and as for kalibak, superman has blitzed kalibak before, look at action 814...
Like when he fought doomsday, anyone would realize that doomsday is full of rage and there is no reasoning but he gave his life instead of blitzing this character getting a easy win. I agree he had a good showing against doomsday recently but that was a weakened doomsday, superman said that himself.
dos dommsday had reflexes and combat speed as fast as superman's, so blitzing wouldn't have worked...
the doomsday that is supposedly weak, was still strong enough to match owaw superman, and to plough through an army of gog's that had just beaten the justice league... he's not exactly 'weak'
Wally and zoom fought totally different then any of superman battles. They actually use there speed to the fullest, superman fist fight bricks, that is two different things. The reason why I asked about captain america and wolverine is that wolverine is one of the best martial artist on the planet but the thing about wolverine is that he barely use it due to this other abilities. His claws, healing factor and senses resorted in him not showing his amazing fighting ability. The same thing with supes, he has all of these other abilities and he basically forgot and didnt master his speed.
but thats the problem. flash has speed and speed related powers. he doesn't have superhuman strength or durability. he HAS to use his speed regardless... superman doesn't. superman has arguably the highest levels of strength and durability in dc, heck, i believe he does have it. saying he hasn't mastered his speed, when he has plenty of showings that say otherwise, isn't really being fair to the character, imo...
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well you know what its just seems like you're trying your best to make something up. Wolverine was chasing her and he didn't come to the conclusion that you did. He didn't say something like "Why aren't I affected." Hell hes resisted the Phoenix hasn't he?Anyway im gonna have to find that reference where DD said the suit hindered his fighting ability.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone🤨
LOL isn't that fight in your respect thread? Yeah so what not bad writing though is it?
Way so see you jumping off to half assed illogical conclusions again and dictating what I think to me though... nice work. 😉
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneYes I did. You tried to assert that such a feat is not only okay but likely. My retort was an illustration of how much credit I think that holds.
Look all I said was that Cap stunned PROFESSOR HULK with a pressure point and you didn't adress the point. Cap may be able to KO Hulk with a pressure point but not brute force.
Pressure points should do nothing to a man who knocks out Iron Clad while walking around a molten skeleton. 😐
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I find it hard to believe though that he can change his clothes but not get something to eat if he hadn't done that you may have had a point. He obvoulsy rested..
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneBecause OneDumb said he was hit by the dragon like a truck. And the whole point was to venture that IF was physically jacked when he fought Junzo.. from a tail whip? Yeah I find that rather "uh, no."
Let me guess the tail Koed him? How is that relevant?
Jinzin, I can barely even bring myself to respond to any of your points anymore. I've looked for the mythical Ennis interview where he states or insinuates that he hates superheroes. I've looked through Newsarama, CBR, these forums and Googled it. It doesn't exist. Don't ask me to believe something that you can't even prove. It's never been posted here on these forums. The closest I have found is Tieri being interviewed and admitting that his Punisher vs. Wolverine comic was intended to piss on Ennis' story. You're either lying or you're trying to precipitate some KMC myth. Put up or shut up. Simple as that. I'm not being venemous. You assert something is true. I disagree absolutely and ask for proof. That's when you either give evidence or concede you have none. Which one is it?
Daredevil temporarily incapacitated Wolverine with a precise nerve strike to the throat. It happened on-panel. Wolverine wasn't distracted about some revelation about Typhoid Mary. His healing factor wasn't in a rut. It happened. Get over it.
As for your myth that Wolverine didn't eat or rest between 'House of M' and his fight with Cap? Utter nonsense. I can't believe you actually tried to confirm such a ridiculous notion after I completely busted that myth. Travelling from Canada to Serbia to Japan to Washington DC to Brooklyn to Vietnam... and you actually are going to sit there in all sincerity and obstinately argue that Wolverine never ate or rested during those travels? You've lost a significant amount of credibility in my eyes. Considering that he hitchhiked, took trains, flew, drove and/or shipped around AND sat in his hideouts AND had fresh changes of clothes AND made visits to stashes... you've lost a lot of credibility in my eyes.
Wolverine never survived a nuke. It was napalm/sonics bomb designed for Venom. When did Wolverine heal from incineration in three minutes? If you're referring to Nitro, show me proof that it was three minutes. Daniel Way didn't even write the Nitro incineration. That was Guggenheim. You're mistaken again. Whether or not you believe Way is inconsistent is moot. The fact that you are trying to argue Wolverine was starved and sleep-deprived prior to his confrontation with Cap is utter nonsense. Myth. Busted. Credibility. Weakened.
Originally posted by jinzinPost the scan. Let everybody else decide. If you don't want to, because you're afraid of getting showed up , then answer these questions: How big was the dragon? Was it standing around or flying down on him? Was Danny trying to defend himself or did he rely on the notion that the dragon would not harm him? Was Danny depowered and essentially a normal peak athelete? How would a normal person feel after being hit by that dragon?
Because OneDumb said he was hit by the dragon like a truck. And the whole point was to venture that IF was physically jacked when he fought Junzo.. from a tail whip? Yeah I find that rather "uh, no."
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Truth hurts don't it?
Jinzin, I can barely even bring myself to respond to any of your points anymore.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I've looked for the mythical Ennis interview where he states or insinuates that he hates superheroes. I've looked through Newsarama, CBR, these forums and Googled it. It doesn't exist. Don't ask me to believe something that you can't even prove. It's never been posted here on these forums. The closest I have found is Tieri being interviewed and admitting that his Punisher vs. Wolverine comic was intended to piss on Ennis' story.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Pffft appeal to ad ignorantiam much? How reasonable is it to ask me to find some web page from 4 years ago that I barely paid attention to when it was posted?
You're either lying or you're trying to precipitate some KMC myth. Put up or shut up. Simple as that. I'm not being venemous. You assert something is true. I disagree absolutely and ask for proof. That's when you either give evidence or concede you have none. Which one is it?
I DO LOVE this misdirection though. Instead of trying to come up with an explanation to your pressure point theory being completely debunked, you're instead throwing another ***** fit at me because I stated that Ennis' writing was bias. Oh heaven forbid the man who wrote Punisher Kills the MU as having bias intentions! And it's not even as if my argument hinges on his bias, otherwise I wouldn't have written the rest of what I did write.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0And, regardless of Wolverine's majority of showings, consistency of showings.... even in just that arc under just that writer.. it was STILL PIS on panel... 😐
Daredevil temporarily incapacitated Wolverine with a precise nerve strike to the throat. It happened on-panel.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0No he was distracted by a 250 pound man divebombing him from 3 stories up while he was chasing his lover who set him aflame... 😐
Wolverine wasn't distracted about some revelation about Typhoid Mary.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Yes it was. Otherwise there'd be no point in writing a full page to illustrate as much. So you can either, A) Accept that it was in a rut or B) Believe that it wasn't but accept that it STILL isn't the standard when it comes to Wolverine's healing factor and Daniel Way. 😐
His healing factor wasn't in a rut. It happened. Get over it.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0YES! Either that or his HF was still playing catch up from being in a rut earlier by the time he fought with Cap.. If you're going to sit there and ignore the rest of Way's writing, those are your choices outside of straight up discarding it since Way discredited that feat later.
As for your myth that Wolverine didn't eat or rest between 'House of M' and his fight with Cap? Utter nonsense. I can't believe you actually tried to confirm such a ridiculous notion after I completely busted that myth. Travelling from Canada to Serbia to Japan to Washington DC to Brooklyn to Vietnam... and you actually are going to sit there in all sincerity and obstinately argue that Wolverine never ate or rested during those travels?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0I'll cry myself to sleep lol.
You've lost a significant amount of credibility in my eyes.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Considering that there was a full page to illustrate how he'd been going nonstop since HOM just to get to Silver Sam.. Considering that when pressed for a chase he's gone 3 days without food sleep or water...
Considering that he hitchhiked, took trains, flew, drove and/or shipped around AND sat in his hideouts AND had fresh changes of clothes AND made visits to stashes... you've lost a lot of credibility in my eyes.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Wolverine never survived a nuke. It was napalm/sonics bomb designed for Venom.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Right before the Nuke...
When did Wolverine heal from incineration in three minutes?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Given the fact that I'm not talking about the Nitro incident, I'm not mistaken, while you ARE jumping wildly to inaccurate conclusions has you have been for the last several posts.
If you're referring to Nitro, show me proof that it was three minutes. Daniel Way didn't even write the Nitro incineration. That was Guggenheim. You're mistaken again.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Whether or not you believe Way is inconsistent is moot.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0If you ignore the how Way writes Wolverine. How he used a page to describe Wolverine's nonstop consequences. The writeups as the books were coming out. How Wolverine's been presented while on other nonstop missions and then continue to ignore not only the stark contrast in Wolverine's HF his whole career (even prior to Bone-Claw era Wolverine) to the point of Origins and Endings-the Cap fight but Ways representation of his HF both before and after it?
The fact that you are trying to argue Wolverine was starved and sleep-deprived prior to his confrontation with Cap is utter nonsense.
Yeah.. I guess it's nonsense.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0A myth stated by the story it appeared in?
Myth.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0By speculation?
Busted.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0I've got a whole respect thread of it, a 1st place tournement victory, a number of people who like my debating/posts, and an award for street level characters... where's yours?
Credibility.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0You're arguments have been since you walked in this thread.
Weakened.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0I will if I can, as I said in my respect thread my scanner's fried. Though I do find your gross overestimation and self assurance amusing.
Post the scan. Let everybody else decide. If you don't want to, because you're afraid of getting showed up , then answer these questions: How big was the dragon? Was it standing around or flying down on him? Was Danny trying to defend himself or did he rely on the notion that the dragon would not harm him? Was Danny depowered and essentially a normal peak athelete? How would a normal person feel after being hit by that dragon?
It had a body the size of Hulk maybe, maybe a bit bigger.
Flying.
Danny obviously didn't think it was going to hurt him.
No, he may have been stripped of his Iron Fist, but his chi was still inside of him. If it wasn't he would have been comatose after Junzo stole the IF like Serpent was. He still had chi, just not his Iron Fist.
Hurt, but it's an irrelivent question seeing how even without his chi you can' compare was a "normal person" would feel like compared to a "peak human".. and he DID still have his chi.
Now answer me this, regardless of whether or not IF was injured when he got beat by Junzo, isn't beating Steel Serpent JUST as impressive a feat?
I should have pm you this argument instead of talking about it through this forum. Oh well.
darkseid has fast enough reflexes so that superman can't blitz him, and as for kalibak, superman has blitzed kalibak before, look at action 814...
It has never been proven that darksied has fast reflexes. Thats all we aksed for in the wwh vs darksied thread and noone ever presented a scan showing otherwise. I guess you could show me something that show anything regarding a speed blitz with darksied or even anything showing some kind of speed.
dos dommsday had reflexes and combat speed as fast as superman's, so blitzing wouldn't have worked...
doomsday hasnt showed any kind of speed since his first fight with superman. Batman was able to track doomsday movements, along with other beings. Hell, maxima kept up with doomsday and was basically owning him until superman interviened.
the doomsday that is supposedly weak, was still strong enough to match owaw superman, and to plough through an army of gog's that had just beaten the justice league... he's not exactly 'weak'
He was pretty weak since his punches had no affect on superman but inferior foes punches has made superman stumble. Superman even admitted this himself that doomsday was losing confidence which had a impact on his power.
but thats the problem. flash has speed and speed related powers. he doesn't have superhuman strength or durability. he HAS to use his speed regardless... superman doesn't. superman has arguably the highest levels of strength and durability in dc, heck, i believe he does have it. saying he hasn't mastered his speed, when he has plenty of showings that say otherwise, isn't really being fair to the character, imo...
So since wonder woman isnt close to invulnerable she should basically be fighting like the flash, since martian manhunter isnt invulnberable he should be fighting like the flash. I wonder why northstar dont use his speed in combat like quicksilver and flash since northstar can fly at the speed of light. I wonder why mimic since he isnt invulnerable but he can move 93000 mps, I wonder why he doesnt use his speed in combat like the flash. I can continuously name people that dont have high end durability but just dont fight the way you say that some of these people on kmc fight. Again vulcan flew across the universe in less then a week which is way faster then light but I fail to see him continously blitzing the hulk.
Like I said before and Im will say again, I agree, superman can start the fight off in a blitz but in the next couple of minutes both him and the villian will be going h2h, both fighting like bricks. I never discredited superman blitzing his opponent, the only thing that I talk about is him punching someone a hundred times before they blink when there isnt any on panel proof of him doing a such thing, not even pre crisis superman have done that. i dispute him winking out continously in a fight when he has only about 2 showing of him doing this and thats against mongul and against imperex. If we can use two showings then wolverine is as fast as speed demon since he kept up with speed demon and basically ended up being faster due to the bow to the head. Or I can use wolverine blitzing quicksilver. Thats two showings so I guess wolverine moves faster then the speed of sound.
Now if its possible can you do me a favor, since superman has this great combat speed that you talk about, I know that you have one fight that is about the same as the flash vs konvikt fight. It shouldnt be hard, the character been out since 1940 or 50.
Got another question for you. Ok superman has crossed galaxies in short time and we all know that the star system has no gravity to weigh you down. The question is when a space ship take off does it move faster in earth atmosphere or in space. Another question, can I lift more weights on earth or in a space environment.
why has captain marvel performed faster then light things on planet earth TWICE but superman has yet to perform or show a light speed feat on earth as of yet.
Originally posted by carver9😕 Doomsday owned Flash and Wonder Woman at the same time with his speed.
doomsday hasnt showed any kind of speed since his first fight with superman. Batman was able to track doomsday movements, along with other beings. Hell, maxima kept up with doomsday and was basically owning him until superman interviened.
Maxima was holding DD off.. shit even in that little encounter she commented on him moving too fast for her to pull her punch before she plowed Superman with it.
Batman's done well with DD-clones.. which.. meh, DD hasn't been a major threat since he became Rex with the exception of Gog wars.
Originally posted by jinzin
😕 Doomsday owned Flash and Wonder Woman at the same time with his speed.
Ran up on Darkseid before Darkseid could even look back behind him.
And he was able to track/target Supes with his knuckle spikes.Maxima was holding DD off.. shit even in that little encounter she commented on him moving too fast for her to pull her punch before she plowed Superman with it.
Batman's done well with DD-clones.. which.. meh, DD hasn't been a major threat since he became Rex with the exception of Gog wars.
All of this happened during the death of superman, years after that there has never been a mention of doomsday speed. From what I have seen he basically lost it.
Originally posted by carver9
All of this happened during the death of superman, years after that there has never been a mention of doomsday speed. From what I have seen he basically lost it.
What? No it didn't.
The Maxima feat did.
But Darkseid obviously happened in Hunter Prey.
The Flash/WW owning took place in Doomsday Wars.
And the Supes being used as target practice was HP as well.
I wouldn't be surprised if DD rex lost it, since he pretty much lost all of what made him> Superman in the first place. But DOS dooms up through DDwars dooms which where all the same one had super speed.
Jinzin, so you admit that despite your fervent belief that Ennis has stated it in some interview. There is in fact, no such interview. Great. That's all I needed to hear. B*tch fit, what? You say that Ennis hates superheroes so much that he admitted it in an interview. he never did. And he doesn't mind writing Wolverine flipkicking Spidey in the nuts or Daredevil putting Wolverine down with a throat jab. Your main reasoning in downplaying the validity of that feat was half couched in some mythical Ennis interview which you now admit, does not exist. There's a difference between PIS and "IDLI, IDH" (I don't like it, it didn't happen). It's on-panel and it works.
Originally posted by jinzinThat has nothing to do with what I said. Maybe it wasn't clear. Daredevil was distracted by the revelation that Wolverine was not attackign some innocent woman but a new Typhoid Mary right before the panel where Wolverine gets him in the full nelson. In Ennis story, Wolverine was going into a berserker rage and was slashing at Daredevil, even destroying his billy club. Daredevil was distracted in the former, Wolverine was not distracted in the latter.
No he was distracted by a 250 pound man divebombing him from 3 stories up while he was chasing his lover who set him aflame... 😐
Originally posted by jinzinWhat full page? What are you referring to? I've read every single page from Wolverine #36-40 and Wovlerine: Origins #1-5, including the damn intros. What are you referring to? Nowhere does it state that Wolverine is going non-stop without eating or resting. That only happens between his tracking down of Silver Samurai up until his trek into Canada. Afterwards, you see him on-panel with fresh clothes several times, waiting in hideouts and boarding trains, etc. If you have a scan of some page where Daniel Way says he never rests, by all means, post it. Or at least give me a damn issue number so I track down what you're referencing. I have all the issues with me. By all means. Put up or shut up.
Yes it was. Otherwise there'd be no point in writing a full page to illustrate as much. So you can either, A) Accept that it was in a rut or B) Believe that it wasn't but accept that it STILL isn't the standard when it comes to Wolverine's healing factor and Daniel Way. 😐YES! Either that or his HF was still playing catch up from being in a rut earlier by the time he fought with Cap.. If you're going to sit there and ignore the rest of Way's writing, those are your choices outside of straight up discarding it since Way discredited that feat later.
Originally posted by jinzinSo what incident are you referring to where Wolverine heals from being incinerated in three minutes that Daniel Way wrote?
Given the fact that I'm not talking about the Nitro incident, I'm not mistaken, while you ARE jumping wildly to inaccurate conclusions has you have been for the last several posts.
Originally posted by jinzinPlease masturbate on your own time. All I've done is read the comics from where you base your convoluted theories and found your assertions laughable. You cite non-existent interviews to debunk on-panel feats. And when it gets pointed out, you throw a hissy fit. You go ahead and cling to your Wolverine didn't eat or rest between 'House of M' and his fight against Cap myth all you want. It's garbage. And I was sorely disappointed by your inane use of hyperbole when I found out.
I've got a whole respect thread of it, a 1st place tournement victory, a number of people who like my debating/posts, and an award for street level characters... where's yours?
Originally posted by carver9
I should have pm you this argument instead of talking about it through this forum. Oh well.
ha-son
It has never been proven that darksied has fast reflexes. Thats all we aksed for in the wwh vs darksied thread and noone ever presented a scan showing otherwise. I guess you could show me something that show anything regarding a speed blitz with darksied or even anything showing some kind of speed.
he keeps up with superman, that should be proof enough... 😬
also, ask trick, if anyone has an obscure darkseid scan, he does...
doomsday hasnt showed any kind of speed since his first fight with superman. Batman was able to track doomsday movements, along with other beings. Hell, maxima kept up with doomsday and was basically owning him until superman interviened.
its not doomsday's travelling speed that's impressive, its his reflexes and combat speed, and they are very impressive...
He was pretty weak since his punches had no affect on superman but inferior foes punches has made superman stumble. Superman even admitted this himself that doomsday was losing confidence which had a impact on his power.
it was only when superman started to talk him down that doomsday seemed weak... he'd walked all over clark and j'onn with little difficulty...
So since wonder woman isnt close to invulnerable she should basically be fighting like the flash, since martian manhunter isnt invulnberable he should be fighting like the flash.
wonder woman has reflexes, and is pretty invulnerable when it comes to blunt force trauma...
j'onn has very impressive durability, he also has invisibility, shape shifting and intangibility...
its the fact that these people have other powers bar speed, if they all used their speed to its fullest, comic battles wouldnt last longer than 3 or 4 panels... its even in the kmc rules...
I wonder why northstar dont use his speed in combat like quicksilver and flash since northstar can fly at the speed of light. I wonder why mimic since he isnt invulnerable but he can move 93000 mps, I wonder why he doesnt use his speed in combat like the flash. I can continuously name people that dont have high end durability but just dont fight the way you say that some of these people on kmc fight. Again vulcan flew across the universe in less then a week which is way faster then light but I fail to see him continously blitzing the hulk.
thats because its mimic, quicksilver, northstar and vulcan... neither of those is as smart or as strong as superman...
thats a poor comparison, no offence or anything, but imo it is...
Like I said before and Im will say again, I agree, superman can start the fight off in a blitz but in the next couple of minutes both him and the villian will be going h2h, both fighting like bricks. I never discredited superman blitzing his opponent, the only thing that I talk about is him punching someone a hundred times before they blink when there isnt any on panel proof of him doing a such thing, not even pre crisis superman have done that. i dispute him winking out continously in a fight when he has only about 2 showing of him doing this and thats against mongul and against imperex. If we can use two showings then wolverine is as fast as speed demon since he kept up with speed demon and basically ended up being faster due to the bow to the head. Or I can use wolverine blitzing quicksilver. Thats two showings so I guess wolverine moves faster then the speed of sound.
superman has more blitzes than two...
and superman's powerset is incredibly different to wolverine's or anyone elses...
you can't apply someone else's rules to superman, why? because superman, even with his powerset he is still bound by one undeniable, well proven fact. superman is as powerful as is needed to be.
you need him to lift a mountain? he can.
you need him to push a planet? he can.
you need him to move faster than light and shove a tyrant into the source wall? he can.
why? because he's superman. the whole point of his character is that he has to be able to do things that nobody else can. sure wally is faster on earth, but could wally push warworld, or power mageddon? no. superman can, because thats what he is. he's the guy that does the impossible.
Now if its possible can you do me a favor, since superman has this great combat speed that you talk about, I know that you have one fight that is about the same as the flash vs konvikt fight. It shouldnt be hard, the character been out since 1940 or 50.
doomsday rex.
Got another question for you. Ok superman has crossed galaxies in short time and we all know that the star system has no gravity to weigh you down. The question is when a space ship take off does it move faster in earth atmosphere or in space. Another question, can I lift more weights on earth or in a space environment.
earth has higher gravity, so obviously the weight would be more pressing on earth...
you cant travel at lightspeed on earth without causing damage... the ship requires more thrust from engines to get out of the atmosphere, as lightspeed engines would be a stupid thing to fire up in the atmosphere...
why has captain marvel performed faster then light things on planet earth TWICE but superman has yet to perform or show a light speed feat on earth as of yet.
marvel's powers are magic, flash can go at light speed on earth, superman can't. This is because while regular physics dont dictate his actual powers, they do dictate how his powers actually effect the environment around him...
ok, from now on, can we take it to pm's? or the off topic thread?
Originally posted by jinzinSo you had a dragon the size of Hulk, flying down on a depowered Danny Rand, Danny doesn't defend himself at all and stands there innocently like a schnook, and the dragon tail-whips him. Danny may have his chi as a normal martial artist of his experience and physique would have. Kind of like Daredevil. But he got KTFO by a dragon.
I will if I can, as I said in my respect thread my scanner's fried. Though I do find your gross overestimation and self assurance amusing.It had a body the size of Hulk maybe, maybe a bit bigger.
Flying.
Danny obviously didn't think it was going to hurt him.
No, he may have been stripped of his Iron Fist, but his chi was still inside of him. If it wasn't he would have been comatose after Junzo stole the IF like Serpent was. He still had chi, just not his Iron Fist.
Hurt, but it's an irrelivent question seeing how even without his chi you can' compare was a "normal person" would feel like compared to a "peak human".. and he DID still have his chi.Now answer me this, regardless of whether or not IF was injured when he got beat by Junzo, isn't beating Steel Serpent JUST as impressive a feat?
No. Only if Junzo embarassed Steel Serpent to such a degree that Iron Fist could never replicate. But there is no proof that Junzo even dueled Steel Serpent. For all we know, Junzo used the Hand to overwhelm him in numbers or ambush him. Show proof that Junzo defeated Steel Serpent in one-on-one combat.
Originally posted by CreshoskI see a writer taking a what-if scenario with some creative flair...it wasn't as if he was making Punisher uber in canon marvel. Ennis gets too much flack on kmc.
"I want to write a story where my guy is uber and kills everyone else!"You don't see a bias there? A leaning, a preference towards, a subjective veiw?