Wolverine vs. Daredevil - H2H · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by Creshosk
Blame Never for that one. He mentioned something about Thor vs Superman and it sparked this...
Because carver seems to want to downplay Superman whenever he can.

What Im talking about just dont involve superman, it involves wonderwoman, gladiator, mimic, Sentry, martian manhunter, black adam, captain marvel, and hyperion (thats not everyone but majority). Everything that I say about superman I say for everyone that I have named. Go to the wwh vs wonderwoman thread and see my post on there, its the same da** thing. I ask why she get hit by bricks if she can just do a mere blitz to beat her opponents.

In the Juggernaut vs gladiator fight I ask why did gladiator get curb stomped by hulk if juggernaut is unable to hit him.

Apolloknight Your rule is at an end

Seriously though, this is the wrong thread for all that.

Raoul Hey Yo!

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Seriously though, this is the wrong thread for all that.

true...

Daredevil1 Senior Member

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

I'd address this again but you'll just ignore everything I say again. So instead I'll just say this: No.

Yep. Like you ignored the circumstances about the DD vs Logan as mentioned from another poster.

Anyhow ignoring information only works if its relevant not the case for you IMO.

DD put down Logan. Make excuses all you want about it.

DD held his own with a Logan capable of outsmarting Torch, putting down Thing and took down Namor. Plus Logan had the hands help and DD still stalemated him and looked the better. Again cry excuses all you want.

I'll give the advantage to Logan in when he put the nelson fight. I'll even ignore the circumstances and give Logan the advantage. But DD had the advantage on Logan on 2 occasions.

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Yep. Like you ignored the circumstances about the DD vs Logan as mentioned from another poster.
Anyhow ignoring information only works if its relevant not the case for you IMO.
DD put down Logan. Make excuses all you want about it.
DD held his own with a Logan capable of outsmarting Torch, putting down Thing and took down Namor. Plus Logan had the hands help and DD still stalemated him and looked the better. Again cry excuses all you want.
I'll give the advantage to Logan in when he put the nelson fight. I'll even ignore the circumstances and give Logan the advantage. But DD had the advantage on Logan on 2 occasions.

How about no?

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by Raoul
kalibak surprised him, he said so himself... the problem is with superman himself... he so rarely sees the need to use the full extent of his abilities that he tends to not use them, as he assumes that he can take any hit thats dished out and keep up, and 99% of the time, he does...
the way he sees it, he can take what they throw at him, keep people safe, and maybe reason with his enemy so he doesn't have to hurt him. its no slight on his powers, he just has this insane need to fight fair... its well documented...
put it this way: two guys have guns. one guy has a bigger gun with a faster rate of fire, and knows that he has faster reflexes than the other guy. he also has full body armour, but he doesnt want to kill the other guy. so he tries to calm him down, so he doesnt end up smearing the guy's brains all over the road...
or like this, do you play sports? have you ever played a contact sport with a woman (of the non bedroom variety)? i've played football against women, and although im not exactly the hulk, i know for a fact im bigger, stronger and quicker than the average girl, but do i treat her as an equal? no. i dont tackle as hard as i can, i dont do anything to injure her.
sorry if that sounds sexist, its purely an example...
i'm not superman, and you're not superman... while either of us would not allow ourselves to be hit, he does, because he fights at his opponents level most of the time...
because superman, when allowing himself to not hold back, has shown himself more than capable of blitzing top tiers like doomsday... he just doesnt have to let himself not hold back that much, but when he has cut loose, he's been consistently shown to be quicker than most...
not really sure, i'd probably give logan the edge, because of the HF...
zoom was blitzing wally and jay garrick at the start of his arc, it was only through a boost that wally could keep up...
to us, they might be fighting at a million miles an hour, but to them, it might as well be a normal speed brawl...

This is my last post for tonight, good job with the debating raoul, made some nice post.

Ok, you said that superman dont fight to the full extent of his ability because he try to reason with his enemies. How many times does he have to fight kalibak and darksied to realize that its to late to reason with them.

Like when he fought doomsday, anyone would realize that doomsday is full of rage and there is no reasoning but he gave his life instead of blitzing this character getting a easy win. I agree he had a good showing against doomsday recently but that was a weakened doomsday, superman said that himself.

Wally and zoom fought totally different then any of superman battles. They actually use there speed to the fullest, superman fist fight bricks, that is two different things. The reason why I asked about captain america and wolverine is that wolverine is one of the best martial artist on the planet but the thing about wolverine is that he barely use it due to this other abilities. His claws, healing factor and senses resorted in him not showing his amazing fighting ability. The same thing with supes, he has all of these other abilities and he basically forgot and didnt master his speed.

Daredevil1 Senior Member

Originally posted by carver9
Actually it is a defeat since he was unable to get out of it until wolverine let him out. The key word is let.

You have weird logic for a win. First of all DD was not KO'ed or gave up. Last I checked a advantage position is not a win. This isn't UFC rules or boxing.

Logan had the advantage and anyhow DD's mind was wonky anyhow with Typhoids suggestions. Even Logan noticed this.

Apolloknight Your rule is at an end

I don't know why the "Full Nelson" is always brought up. People are so quick to downplay wolverines loses in which there were hindering circumstances.

I believe DD had hindering circumstances with the fight in question. Why can't we exclude it like everything else.

xmarksthespot CEO, BS Comics

Originally posted by carver9
So Im guessing since mimic can shoot blast out of his eyes he stealing superman shine. Or since wonder woman can fly just like superman and can lift large objects she is stealing his shine. What about supergirl, she basically do everything that superman does, is she stealing his shine. You do know that captain marvel on numerous of occasions caught bullets just like superman, is he stealing his shine. Thats a lame excuse. If superman can throw a 1000 punches per second and could beat someone before they could blink then he would have done it, flash has shown this throughout his career why doesnt the same thing happen for superman and please dont answer it with that lame excuse again.

You're mixing up character trademark's with generic abilities. I have no idea what you're on about with "catching bullets" when did that become the Superman trademark move?

Flash is the epitome of speed, that is his thing.

That other characters that have the ability to a) move their limbs at superspeeds and b) travel at superspeeds, and aren't c) mentally retarded, but for some odd reason don't just always do both at the same time to their enemies, doesn't mean that they can't do both at the same time when fighting "to the full extent of their abilities." Especially with someone like Superman who as far as I'm aware can walk and chew gum simultaneously.

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
You're mixing up character trademark's with generic abilities. I have no idea what you're on about with "catching bullets" when did that become the Superman trademark move?
Flash is the epitome of speed, that is his thing.
That other characters that have the ability to a) move their limbs at superspeeds and b) travel at superspeeds, and aren't c) mentally retarded, but for some odd reason don't just always do both at the same time to their enemies, doesn't mean that they can't do both at the same time when fighting "to the full extent of their abilities." Especially with someone like Superman who as far as I'm aware can walk and chew gum simultaneously.

Since superman does have speed at his control like the flash and can basically mimic the move that flash can do in combat I know you can show me at least ONE instance on where superman tackled someone like this. I can show millions for flash, hell I can show millions for quicksilver since basically its there only power and they have mastered it.

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Again wolverine knows every martial arts on the planet but during combat he rarely use it because 1. hes dont need to use it due to his healing factor and other abilities and 2. if he was to lose his healing factor he would basically have to teach himself and train to become that great fighter that he use to be or he would get killed.
Hell, mimic can move at 93000 mps but he has never shown the ability to fight like quicksilver or the flash due to him having other abilities at his disposal and again them being well versed at there powers, its just that simple. Like wonder woman, she has amazing speed feats like jumping around the earth in minutes but flashed walked all over her when he fought her, when flash tackled superman, the same thing happened until superman used a tactic and landed a well placed blow. During these fights theres nothing indicating that flash was even going close to the speed of light.

Phantom Zone Junior Member

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The only fight between Wolverine and Daredevil where both where at 100% had Daredevil in a full nelson in three panels.

Jesus Christ! Did you read this?

Originally posted by jrodslam
In regards to Wolvie getting DD in a full nelson, i cant really count is as a Wolvie "victory". However, i will say that eventhough he did have DD in the hold, DD wasnt thinking straight due to his connection with typhoid. Wolvie even stated that. Something like "Men cant think straight when they get around her....". Something like that.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

I discredit the chop because the same writer [b]in the same story arch had Wolverine get 50% of his body incinerated and the Hulk punch Wolverine into a different state without Logan getting koed. [/B]

Garth Einnis? Didn't that same writer make Wolverine beat Spiderman? Don't see you complaining about that? Hell Cap stunned a pissed off Prof Hulk with a pressure point why can't DD drop Wolverine. DDs better than Cap at pressure point and I dont think Wolverines HF is greater than a pissed off Prof Hulk.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0

Wolverine's healing factor was not in a rut. I remember reading about your assertion that Wolverine was going non-stop without food or rest since House of M. That's garbage and you know it. I've recently reread Wolverine #36-40 and Wolverine: Origins #1-6. In Wolverine #37-38, Wolverine goes to Japan, fights Silver Samurai and swims to a boat. There he eats his arm because he is starving. He wakes up and the boat has taken him to Canada. At this point, YES, Wolverine's healing factor is in a rut. Arguably no food, no rest, non-stop.
That trend doesn't keep up at all. In Wolverine #38, he travels to Serbia. He had convinced smugglers operating out of Montreal to take him there. During this travel, Wolverine has found new clothes and is carrying a backpack. Do you really expect me to believe that he didn't eat or rest between Montreal and Serbia? PLEASE. At the end of Wolverine #38, he fights Winter Soldier and gets put down by two bullets to the chest. After Winter Soldier waits for him to wake up, he explains his part in murdering Itsu. Afterwards, Wolverine hooks up with some connections, grabs some supplies (including a yellow/brown suit) and travels from Serbia to Japan. Do you honestly expect me to believe that he didn't eat or rest between Serbia and Japan? In Japan, he retrieves the Muramasa blade.
And that leads us straight to the opening scene in Wolverine: Origins #1. From here, Wolverine travels from Japan to Washington DC to confront the Secretary in the White House. Are you arguing that he didn't eat or sleep between Japan and USA? In Wolverine: Origins #2, we see Wolverine has travelled to Brooklyn, NY and is sitting in a hideout in civvies while listening to the news. After hearing about the massacre in Lai Chi, he travels to Vietnam. This is where he confronts Nuke. Between Washington DC to Brooklyn to Vietnam, you expect me to believe he didn't eat or rest?
In Wolverine: Origins #3, the only thing that Nuke does to Wolverine prior to Cap's arrival is punch him in the face, rifle butt his chin and step on his face a couple of times. He also tries to use the grenade launcher attached to his rifle, but Wolverine kicks it in another direction and is sent a few dozen feet away by the shock of the blast. This is exactly where Cap tosses his shield at Wolverine's wrist and comes in. A few blows and a missed blast that tosses Wolverine a few yards and you expect me to believe that Wolverine's healing factor was in a rut by the time Cap fights him? No thanks.
And what do you mean he had a problem with a bloody nose? Just because he had a blood stream from his nose onto his upper lip? When you have Cap punching and shield bashing your face and you never get a chance to wipe away the blood from your upper lip... it's not beyond reason to think that the blood would still be there. Oh and of course, Cap then slashed him with the Muramasa. Cmon. Daredevil's done it, Elektra's done it, Ord's done it, Cap's done it. You can incapacitate Wolverine briefly with localized precise damage infliction. And Wolverine's healing factor was pretty much fine during EACH of those instances.

Wow thats interesting you read the issues and found out that jinzin was exaggerating things....AGAIN!

Daredevil1 Senior Member

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Jesus Christ! Did you read this?

Those are the circumstances I was talking about earlier. As you noticed he'll mention all the circumstances for Wolverine side. But not even mention or ignore the circumstances for DD's side.

Anyways under normal conditions with Logan having his healing factor I give it too him. But under these ones I just give it to DD.

Phantom Zone Junior Member

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Those are the circumstances I was talking about earlier. As you noticed he'll mention all the circumstances for Wolverine side. But not even mention or ignore the circumstances for DD's side.
Anyways under normal conditions with Logan having his healing factor I give it too him. But under these ones I just give it to DD.

I actually I think im changing my mind to stalemate. Apparently when Wolverine fought Cap in Origins he wasn't starving or sleep deprived.
🙄

Also its been stated by some DD fans that DD said that suit inhibited his fighting ability, but I still don't have an issue number yet.

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
So? Wolverine's taken worse damage to his back and his forearms, didn't stop Elektra and Cap from using precise or localized damage to hinder Wolverine.

Exactly... Wolverine's taken worse damage than that when his HF wasn't in a low point and been fine. You took two examples where it was reduced, where he had problems healing as fast as normal (one of which didn't even matter as he healed instantaneously as it is) and decided that's his standard level? Of course you did, because you "actually like Logan" right? 🙄

Elektra's P-point really doesn't even matter seeing how she had to get it from behind while he was fighting other people and only worked as long as she applied pressure. What happened when she let go? "Arms are doing what they're told again"....

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Ennis never "flat out stated his bias." Show me a link to an interview. Show me ANYTHING that Ennis has ever said, that states he was biased. Prove it to me. It's a myth spawned from the storyline by angry Wolverine fans. Trust me. I've looked for it, no such interview exists despite my fervent searches. If you have it, by all means, post it. Because I've been looking for it for months and have found nothing.

Bull, and shit, the man has said it. There was a link posted HERE about 4 years back to the very point. If Wolverine fans were that crazy they'd be saying that about more writers than Ennis doncha think? In any case I didn't save it as it really wasn't a point of interest at the time. You want to delude yourself into thinking otherwise. That his writing is totally and utterly legitimate and that Punisher is> Wolverine, Spiderman, DD, and Hulk? That the man who wrote Punisher kills the Marvel Universe DOESN'T have a slight bias? That's cool.
But you're honestly going to say it isn't PIS too? Of course you are.. because you "actually like Logan" right?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
It's not PIS because Wolverine's been incapacitated by a sai stab in the back.

Wait. Him going down to a throat strike ISN'T PIS because Elektra was able to pin him down from behind with sai pressured into his scapulas? 😕

Once again, after her sai were removed, Wolverine was immediately up and swinging. He was hamburger meat on life support 5 minutes before he and Elektra kicked off and he was up IMMEDIATELY.... He wasn't on the ground doubled over in pain holding his shoulders/back. DD didn't apply pressure and keep applying pressure. He nailed Wolverine with a single strike. Wolverine's HF was taxed out in his fight with Elektra and STILL got up fighting right after Elektra let go of the P-points. That right there discredits the Ennis debacle by itself and it's YOUR example... 😬

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Wolverine crumpled over when Ord slashed his guts. Precise striking/stabbing/slashing can incapacitate Wolverine briefly.

"Ord slashed his guts".... 😐
From one side of his belly to the other... Which part of that feat you thought was precise I don't have a clue.
And lol, I see. So now that you can't find other feats to support your Ennis garbage, you're going to draw on feats under which Logan is stabbed and eviscerated to the point he's bleeding out and has his insides on his outsides? What next, "He goes down to nukes and incineration so.. blah blah blah..."?
Wolverine having his guts spilled on the floor is nothing like being hit in the throat with a single strike and it's an insult to the intelligence of everyone here to attempt presenting it as such. EVEN THEN, the Ord feat is in a minority to the times that Wolverine's been gutted only to keep fighting, moving, and otherwise kicking ass.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
That's all that happened with the Daredevil feat.

No, what happened with the Daredevil feat was P. I. *uckin S.
And it's pretty clear as only 17 issues or so earlier Ennis had written Wolverine to stand up to a shotgun blast to the face without even noticing what happened until he tried to speak, had Logan brush off having his legs sawed into, had Logan struggling and trying to vocalize after being run over with a steam roller, and in that very arc had Wolverine almost standing and conscious after being blown to a skeleton from thigh to chest, as well as walking out of a lake after being punched across a state line by Hulk (the impact of hitting the water from that height which Wolverine has compared to ALSO being hit by the Hulk).
It's also pretty clear when Ennis writes Wolverine saying things like "You can never stop me, I'll keep coming." And Punisher saying something along the lines of "You're right."....
But hey DD throat chopped him once and that should take precedence over not only Ennis other works, but well hell you like the precise evisceration argument right?....

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But throat stike?>>>>>
Yeah... okay... 🙄

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
How can you be doubled over in pain when you have no legs or guts? He was in shock, screams for help and you don't see him again until he's healed. I don't remember the scene you're referring to, but Wolverine has survived falling from great heights before and retaining consciousness after impact. So what?

It's not only that Wolverine had no guts or legs... Do you know what happens to a human body when a rocket explodes next to one?
Being hit dead center with that rocket would/should shut down if not completely combust or liquify all the rest of Wolverine's internal organs from the sheer concussive force alone. The brain would be rattled so hard by the impact that synapses would stop firing altogether after experiencing a "short circuit". It's why people who survive being by such explosions are nausiated to the point of sickness, some left in a perpetual state of incoherrence.
The heat from the explosion may have peakened near 275-300 degrees CELCIUS. It would have heated up his whole skeleton to the point of burning everything it touched inside of him.

Shock? That's the last thing to even consider here. Wolverine should have been at the LEAST an dazed and moaning mess on the ground for a moment. The fact that his first reaction was to yell out and he was succesful with not only vocalizing himself, but coherrent enough to know to call for help is just another reason why Ennis' writing completely discredited itself when he had DD throat strike him. 😐

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Wolverine's healing factor was not in a rut. I remember reading about your assertion that Wolverine was going non-stop without food or rest since House of M. That's garbage and you know it. I've recently reread Wolverine #36-40 and Wolverine: Origins #1-6. In Wolverine #37-38, Wolverine goes to Japan, fights Silver Samurai and swims to a boat. There he eats his arm because he is starving. He wakes up and the boat has taken him to Canada. At this point, YES, Wolverine's healing factor is in a rut. Arguably no food, no rest, non-stop.
That trend doesn't keep up at all. In Wolverine #38, he travels to Serbia. He had convinced smugglers operating out of Montreal to take him there. During this travel, Wolverine has found new clothes and is carrying a backpack. Do you really expect me to believe that he didn't eat or rest between Montreal and Serbia? PLEASE. At the end of Wolverine #38, he fights Winter Soldier and gets put down by two bullets to the chest. After Winter Soldier waits for him to wake up, he explains his part in murdering Itsu. Afterwards, Wolverine hooks up with some connections, grabs some supplies (including a yellow/brown suit) and travels from Serbia to Japan. Do you honestly expect me to believe that he didn't eat or rest between Serbia and Japan? In Japan, he retrieves the Muramasa blade.

Considering the fact that he left from America to Japan in the first place to find Silver Samurai without food and rest? Yes.
Considering the fact that his character has shown to travel halfway around the world while running after Mystique without food and rest? Yes.
Given the fact that he'd have similar time constraints to find the information he was looking for? Yes.
Given that he had what? A WEEK at most to get all this done before Civil War kicked off as we know his fight with Cap was before CW? YES.

It was in a rut, I don't know how you think this is worth arguing when Way has had Wolverine standing after nukes, healing from a skeleton in 3 minutes, taking bullets, knives and explosions for 3 issues straight from Deadpool, and even healed his arms immediately after Cyber crushed them 7 issues later. 😐

He was in a rut, having problems healing a blood nose.. but you know better right? Not like Wolverine was on a mission, not like he's not known to go without food and sleep while in said missions. Not like his HF takes a bit of time to play catch up after it gets taxed in the first place...

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And that leads us straight to the opening scene in Wolverine: Origins #1. From here, Wolverine travels from Japan to Washington DC to confront the Secretary in the White House. Are you arguing that he didn't eat or sleep between Japan and USA? In Wolverine: Origins #2, we see Wolverine has travelled to Brooklyn, NY and is sitting in a hideout in civvies while listening to the news. After hearing about the massacre in Lai Chi, he travels to Vietnam. This is where he confronts Nuke. Between Washington DC to Brooklyn to Vietnam, you expect me to believe he didn't eat or rest?

Rest? Maybe on a plane assuming he wasn't flying it. Ate? Probably not. Either way it doesn't matter. If his HF was taxed even only days before his fight with Nuke, it wasn't running at peak effeciency while fighting Nuke... As for the rest. Read above.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
In Wolverine: Origins #3, the only thing that Nuke does to Wolverine prior to Cap's arrival is punch him in the face, rifle butt his chin and step on his face a couple of times. He also tries to use the grenade launcher attached to his rifle, but Wolverine kicks it in another direction and is sent a few dozen feet away by the shock of the blast. This is exactly where Cap tosses his shield at Wolverine's wrist and comes in. A few blows and a missed blast that tosses Wolverine a few yards and you expect me to believe that Wolverine's healing factor was in a rut by the time Cap fights him? No thanks.

Absolutely.. Read above...

Also doesn't help when one of the first things that comes to mind as a similarity between the two was when Wolverine had Cap bash his forearms into an Adamantium robot with his shield and his arms healed pretty much right after that as well. His HF was in a rut, get over it.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And what do you mean he had a problem with a bloody nose? Just because he had a blood stream from his nose onto his upper lip? When you have Cap punching and shield bashing your face and you never get a chance to wipe away the blood from your upper lip... it's not beyond reason to think that the blood would still be there. Oh and of course, Cap then slashed him with the Muramasa. Cmon. Daredevil's done it, Elektra's done it, Ord's done it, Cap's done it. You can incapacitate Wolverine briefly with localized precise damage infliction. And Wolverine's healing factor was pretty much fine during EACH of those instances.

He got hit in the face and was doubled over holding his face as he was bleeding gushes out.... This is the same guy who got punched in the face into a pavement crater by hulk and just shrugged it off... 😐

Elektra- Discredits your example actually and that was against a taxed HF to boot.
Ord- Isn't comparible in the first place as we went over. There's nothing even CLOSE to pressure point applicable to having your guts on the floor while bleeding out.
Cap- did it against a taxed Wolverine... Discredited several issues later when Cyber tried to crush his arms and it did nothing.

Daredevil? That's why we're arguing in the first place! You can't use evidence A to support why evidence A isn't a crapfest.. 🤨
I call shenanigans on this circular argument nonsense.

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Yep. Like you ignored the circumstances about the DD vs Logan as mentioned from another poster.
Anyhow ignoring information only works if its relevant not the case for you IMO.
DD put down Logan. Make excuses all you want about it.
DD held his own with a Logan capable of outsmarting Torch, putting down Thing and took down Namor. Plus Logan had the hands help and DD still stalemated him and looked the better. Again cry excuses all you want.

He didn't look better. By the time Logan actually started fighting him there were what, 3 hand ninja left? Big deal. Wolverine was backing Matty into a corner and the ONLY reason Matt "looked better" is because his dumbbell bashing to Logan's head fritzed his mind control which he was fighting in the first place.

Now you seem to understand that Wolverine was dangerous under the Hand's/Hydra's control... Now think about how dangerous he is when he's not talking to several people while fighting they're control over him.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
I'll give the advantage to Logan in when he put the nelson fight. I'll even ignore the circumstances and give Logan the advantage. But DD had the advantage on Logan on 2 occasions.

The only one that would even be relivent to a pro DD argument is the Ennis fight.. 😬

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Jesus Christ! Did you read this?

Probably. And he probably came to the same conclussion that I did.. That IF Mary was affecting people's heads, Wolverine would be way worse off having been hounding after her all night, on top of the fact that DD wasn't "around her" he was on the top of a building roof when everything started between him and Logan. Logan was/should have been much more effected by her than DD and that's forgetting the fact that they were lovers not long before this story takes place.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Garth Einnis? Didn't that same writer make Wolverine beat Spiderman? Don't see you complaining about that? Hell Cap stunned a pissed off Prof Hulk with a pressure point why can't DD drop Wolverine. DDs better than Cap at pressure point and I dont think Wolverines HF is greater than a pissed off Prof Hulk.

You also don't see him using it to support the premise of his debates where Spiderman's involved... So I don't know what you think you're getting at there but you're misguided as usual. I suppose you think Cap dropping Hulk with punches was good writing too?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Wow thats interesting you read the issues and found out that jinzin was exaggerating things....AGAIN!

Uh-No.. he even ignored the write-ups or the stories about Wolverine crusading nonstop. He did what you do all the time, assumed the worst for Wolverine in an attempt to discredit him from doing what he does a majority of the time.
Maybe you guys can start your own team. 🙂

As for that whole IF debacle. I went back and read through it.. He got whipped by the dragons tale. ZOMG I can't believe he even survived that! 🙄

Phantom Zone Junior Member

Originally posted by jinzin
He didn't look better. By the time Logan actually started fighting him there were what, 3 hand ninja left? Big deal. Wolverine was backing Matty into a corner and the ONLY reason Matt "looked better" is because his dumbbell bashing to Logan's head fritzed his mind control which he was fighting in the first place.

*sigh* Even if you want to argue he was fighting mind control Wolverine didn't look better anybody whos read the comic can see that.

Originally posted by jinzin

Now you seem to understand that Wolverine was dangerous under the Hand's/Hydra's control... Now think about how dangerous he is when he's not talking to several people while fighting they're control over him.

He might have been but I don't think its clear cut.

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I actually I think im changing my mind to stalemate. Apparently when Wolverine fought Cap in Origins he wasn't starving or sleep deprived.
🙄

"Considering the fact that he left from America to Japan in the first place to find Silver Samurai without food and rest? Yes.
Considering the fact that his character has shown to travel halfway around the world while running after Mystique without food and rest? Yes.
Given the fact that he'd have similar time constraints to find the information he was looking for? Yes.
Given that he had what? A WEEK at most to get all this done before Civil War kicked off as we know his fight with Cap was before CW? YES.

It was in a rut, I don't know how you think this is worth arguing when Way has had Wolverine standing after nukes, healing from a skeleton in 3 minutes, taking bullets, knives and explosions for 3 issues straight from Deadpool, and even healed his arms immediately after Cyber crushed them 7 issues later.

He was in a rut, having problems healing a blood nose.. but you know better right? Not like Wolverine was on a mission, not like he's not known to go without food and sleep while in said missions. Not like his HF takes a bit of time to play catch up after it gets taxed in the first place..."

Of course I know this doesn't matter, because you'll believe whatever you can to think that Cap's> Wolverine or just that Wolverine's<<< Everything/one.

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
*sigh* Even if you want to argue he was fighting mind control Wolverine didn't look better anybody whos read the comic can see that.

Stop looking at the pictures right before Matt hits him in the head. He didn't look better.