hahahaahahahaha this thread makes me laugh..........the msot rediculous comment is that wolverine was not fighting the mind controll the entire time.............even though he stated he was fighting his hardest not to kill another cape.................and the fact he straight up showed through out the arc to attempt to fight back against the brainwashing
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
One. http://img278.imageshack.us/my.php?image=708yd.pngYes, Wolverine doesn't always need to use his martial art skills. Doesn't mean he doesn't have them. Sometimes even when he does "need" to use martial art skills, and doing so would allow an easy victory, they're still not readily apparent to progress the story or even out a battle in a comic. Still doesn't mean he doesn't have said martial arts skills.
Substitute "Superman" for "Wolverine", substitute "speed" for "martial arts skills."
Superman can travel at superspeed. And can move his limbs at superspeed. But I don't think I'm going to convince you that he can walk and chew gum at the same time, so I'm going to stop derailing this thread. Saying that Quicksilver who is a statue with regard to speed compared to Superman, Wonder Woman etc can do things that they can't did give me a chuckle though.
Wolverine still wins...
word. really, what good is martial arts and the like if you are fighting the Hulk or someone similar in nature which is what he is doing alot of lately. I mean what good are choke holds and arm bars and stuff like that against someone much, much, much stronger than you. it would be like a 12 year old trying to put Brock Lesnar in an armbar. Good luck. lol. But yeah, your going to look pretty skilless if all you can feasibly do is dodge and swipe to do damage since blocking a punch from someone like Hulk is pretty much out of the question.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
hahahaahahahaha this thread makes me laugh..........the msot rediculous comment is that wolverine was not fighting the mind controll the entire time.............
funny how you say thats the most ridiculous comment, yet it was clearly shown on panel that there were times where Wolvie was shown NOT fighting the mind control at all and was indeed going to try and kill DD.
Or IF IF IF he was trying to fight the mind control, its clear that there are times where he was failing at it.
Originally posted by jrodslamWay to fail there buddy.
funny how you say thats the most ridiculous comment, yet it was clearly shown on panel that there were times where Wolvie was shown NOT fighting the mind control at all and was indeed going to try and kill DD.Or IF IF IF he was trying to fight the mind control, its clear that there are times where he was failing at it.
The point isn't that he's succeeding, the point is that he's fighting it at all.
You know, because fighting it is distracting him. Instead of focusing all his effort on the fight, his attention is also split on the mind control.
Originally posted by jrodslam
funny how you say thats the most ridiculous comment, yet it was clearly shown on panel that there were times where Wolvie was shown NOT fighting the mind control at all and was indeed going to try and kill DD.Or IF IF IF he was trying to fight the mind control, its clear that there are times where he was failing at it.
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If he was successful at fighting the mind-control... he wouldn't have been mind-controlled anymore and thus wouldn't be fighting. SO OF COURSE HE WASN'T SUCCESSFUL!!! Wolverine was NEVER successful at fighting the mind-control BUT that doesn't change the fact that he WAS fighting it. By the very nature of subconsciously (or consciously) fighting the mind-control his effectiveness becomes limited. At the very least you are looking at slower reaction time and reduced efficiency.
... and the first two captions don't help your case at all, they just show that Wolverine is overly critical of people... so nice work on solving the mystery of whether or not Wolverine is cynical, Columbo.
... and the other two panels just prove he was mind-controlled. 😕
/golfclap
Originally posted by Starscream MMaybe if you'd ever read a Wolverine comic before you'd get this but...
he didn't sound like he was mind-controlled at all
"I ain't crazy enough to think I'm one of the good guys."
Funny... That's not what he was thinking back in uncanny X-Men annual #14
"There's a reason people call us heroes."
To help you guys understand I've replaced the concept of fighting mind-control with a red car.
Nick Fury: Wolverine has a red car.
Captain America: Yup, seems to be a red car alright.
*Wolverine races Daredevil in his red car*
Wolverine(after the race): Daredevil, my car is red.
You guys:... Yeah his car was read before and after he raced Daredevil, but he never said it was red during.
Originally posted by srankmissingninperhaps he was under mindcontrol...but it didn't seem to affect him
To help you guys understand I've replaced the concept of fighting mind-control with a red car.Nick Fury: Wolverine has a red car.
Captain America: Yup, seems to be a red car alright.
*Wolverine races Daredevil in his red car*
Wolverine(after the race): Daredevil, my car is red.
You guys:... Yeah his car was read before and after he raced Daredevil, but he never said it was red during.
Originally posted by Starscream M
perhaps he was under mindcontrol...but it didn't seem to affect him
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
That's the Dichotomy of Logan. He is man of conflicting ideals and always has been. The Samurai vs the Berserker. The animal vs the man. Nature vs nurture. Logan vs. Wolverine. The never ending battle between the man he strives to be and the man he actually is. Two conflicting ideals both viaing for control. He is a man at war with his self, a man struggling to fight his very nature in order to become better than he really is. That's who Logan is: the Samurai AND the Berserker.
Remember when I explained this to you before?
And I edited that sig myself by chopping apart Wolverine dialogue and panels and rearranging and combining them to suit my purpose.
Originally posted by srankmissingninyes I know that explanation
Remember when I explained this to you before?And I edited that sig myself by chopping apart Wolverine dialogue and panels and rearranging and combining them to suit my purpose.
Cresh pointed out a seeming contradiction with Logan saying he's not a good guy and also him saying he's a hero and using that contradiction to demonstrate he was under mind control
my point is that logan is a character with duality of good and bad, so that statement about him not being a good guy does not indicate mind control at all
Originally posted by Creshosk
Way to fail there buddy.The point isn't that he's succeeding, the point is that he's fighting it at all.
You know, because fighting it is distracting him. Instead of focusing all his effort on the fight, his attention is also split on the mind control.
Not seeing the fail there. I stated as well as it was shown, that Wolvie was not able to fight off the mind control the entire time. There was an instance where Wolvie seemed to be stalling, thus showing us that hes actually fighting it to a degree. There are also times where the mins control fully took Wolvie over and he was going to continue with his mission. Noone is denying that Wolvie tried to fight it. The thing that you and others try to make it seem is that Wolvie was trying to fight it the entire fight. Like he was never completely overcome by it, which is false.
Originally posted by jrodslamOf course you don't.
Not seeing the fail there.
Originally posted by jrodslamObviously.. Had he been able to fight off the mind control, he wouldn't have been fighting. I already said this before.
I stated as well as it was shown, that Wolvie was not able to fight off the mind control the entire time.
Originally posted by jrodslamYou have any proof? Cause you're not proving your claims with that.. all you're proving is that he WAS mind controlled. Kudos on that.
There was an instance where Wolvie seemed to be stalling, thus showing us that hes actually fighting it to a degree. There are also times where the mins control fully took Wolvie over and he was going to continue with his mission. Noone is denying that Wolvie tried to fight it. The thing that you and others try to make it seem is that Wolvie was trying to fight it the entire fight. Like he was never completely overcome by it, which is false.
Originally posted by Starscream MYou know it, but you don't understand it.
yes I know that explanation
Originally posted by Starscream MSeeming?
Cresh pointed out a seeming contradiction
Originally posted by Starscream MDo you deny any of this?
with Logan saying he's not a good guy and also him saying he's a hero and using that contradiction to demonstrate he was under mind control
Originally posted by Starscream MAnd cyclops is blind while firing... reported for trolling.
my point is that logan is a character with duality of good and bad, so that statement about him not being a good guy does not indicate mind control at all
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
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at fighting the mind-control... he wouldn't have been mind-controlled anymore and thus wouldn't be fighting. SO OF COURSE HE WASN'T SUCCESSFUL!!! Wolverine was NEVER successful at fighting the mind-control BUT that doesn't change the fact that he WAS fighting it. By the very nature of subconsciously (or consciously) fighting the mind-control his effectiveness becomes limited. At the very least you are looking at slower reaction time and reduced efficiency.... and the first two captions don't help your case at all, they just show that Wolverine is overly critical of people... so nice work on solving the mystery of whether or not Wolverine is cynical, Columbo.
... and the other two panels just prove he was mind-controlled. 😕
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Yea, you do seem a bit confused. Obviously he didnt succeed at fighting the control completely, but there was an instance where he appeared to be fighting it more than any other time. The point you fail to see is that Wolvie isnt able to fight or deter from the mind control at certain points in the fight. You mention his effectiveness becoming limited, while fighting the mind control. Id agree with that. However, in the points where hes not shown fighting it, and where its evident the mind control has fully taken Wolvie over, that did not limit his effectiveness.
The first 2 captions do help my case, because it shows that Wolvie doesnt even believe hes under any type of control at all. Hence hes not showing any sign of fighting the control.
I know the other 2 panels show he was mind controlled. Whos denying Wolvie was mind controlled? 😕 Those last 2 panels show that Wolvie isnt fighting a damn thing. The fight was gone and he was going for the kill. There was no type of confrontation in his head limiting his reaction time or effectiveness.😬
Its clear that you want to see it how you wasnt to see it, but fact is, theres a time where Wolvie actually showed to backtalk/stall the control and actually appear to be fighting it of sorts, and there are times where he appeared not to have any fight in him at all to try and resist it.
