Wolverine vs. Daredevil - H2H

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jrodslam Senior Member
Originally posted by Creshosk
Obviously.. Had he been able to fight off the mind control, he wouldn't have been fighting. I already said this before.

Again, theres a instance where it shows Wolvie stalling or appear to be fighting the control at all. I didnt mention him fighting it off completely, although there was a time that showed him trying and there were times where he wasnt able to fight it. Both instances are clear. You just choose not to see it.

Originally posted by Creshosk
You have any proof? Cause you're not proving your claims with that.. all you're proving is that he WAS mind controlled. Kudos on that.

Proof? Read the captions. This is the only time it seems Wolvie is actually trying to fight the control. The people who are controlling him have to stop and tell him to get on with his job for crying out loud. What more proof do you need?

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by Starscream M
you're the troll...

btw, I never stated that cyclops is blind while firing. I was questioning if that was the case.

Do you honestly believe either of those two statements?

How do you expect me to?

Originally posted by Starscream M
yeah, I admit I troll you sometimes...but you're a good sport about it.

Originally posted by Starscream M
Logan ain't no samurai...have you ever read your own sig?

"I ain't no honorable man!"

truer words were n'vr spoken


Originally posted by Raoul
thats trolling. if you've read any x-men you'd know logan was a samurai.

Originally posted by Starscream M
not a personal supposition, more commensense...

when he fires a beam, his field of vision is covered by red light, hence he is technically 'blind' while firing and shouldnt see his target once he fires

Originally posted by Badabing
Starscream, either stop trolling and spamming or be warned. Everybody was nice enough to answer your questions and prove you wrong. Any other questions should be addressed here.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f95/t346614.html


Originally posted by Badabing
You had your chance. Warned.

Originally posted by Starscream M
admittedly Im a VERY casual fan of Wolverines.

You need to stop arguing subjects you don't know about. And stop trolling

Creshosk Senior Member
Originally posted by jrodslam
seems

So you have no proof then?

Starscream M Senior Member

Originally posted by Creshosk
Do you honestly believe either of those two statements?

How do you expect me to?

You need to stop arguing subjects you don't know about. And stop trolling

you're placed on ignore

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by Starscream M
you're placed on ignore
That doesn't give you the right to keep trolling. You continue to troll you'll continue to be reported.

jrodslam Senior Member
Originally posted by Creshosk
So you have no proof then?

Proof is in the scan. It shows there was a point where he actually thought in contrast to what the ppl who were controlling him thought, hence the "Shut up." "This is different." "Just do as youre told and complete the mission." You have no proof he was trying to fight it the control the entire time. Actually, i can prove that he wasnt able to fight it the entire times, because of him thinking "Nah, youre the one whos been brainwashed, Murdock.." "Could have him in pieces by the time they...." etc etc.

Ive showed the proof that backs my argument. You havent. 😬

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by jrodslam
Proof is in the scan.
No... You gave your interpritation of the scan. Nothing that proves that was the only time.

Originally posted by jrodslam
It shows there was a point where he actually thought in contrast to what the ppl who were controlling him thought, hence the "Shut up." "This is different." "Just do as youre told and complete the mission." You have no proof he was trying to fight it the control the entire time.
So you have no proof then?

Originally posted by jrodslam
Actually, i can prove that he wasnt able to fight it the entire times, because of him thinking "Nah, youre the one whos been brainwashed, Murdock.." "Could have him in pieces by the time they...." etc etc.
Except that that doesn't...

Originally posted by jrodslam
Ive showed the proof that backs my argument. You havent. 😬
No you haven't... Keep trying.

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Dude. Go ahead and searchin KMC or Newsaram or in a Google search engine these words, "Ennis - hates - superheroes." I also searched "Ennis - Wolverine - Punisher." All the hits I got were critics bitching about Ennis. Whether you believe I searched or not is irrelevant. He reveals that he has no love for the genre. He still loves Superman. He obviously respects Batman. As far as I see, he hasn't revealed a petty hatred towards Wolverine in particular. Had it been Punisher throat jabbing Wolverine, yeah, you'd have a strong point. Fact is, it was another superhero in a gaudy red jumpsuit who wears his underwear outside his pants doing it to Wolverine. So pardon me if I still think your point is weak.
He has a bias against superheroes.. It's not up for debate. In one of the links Cresh provided he flat out states that he takes a piss with superheroes. How you continue to argue otherwise, to prattle on in spite of such a well known fact and a self admittance to the issue is well beyond my ability to even comprehend.

He has no bias because Daredevil was the superhero he shat on the least in that story? Uh, no. It's pretty clear that he interpreted DD has the next most realistic hero next to Punisher. It's why DD's barking the orders, why Wolverine's following them, and why he's the only one out of the 3 supers who wasn't acting like a total amateur or an idiot. And he STILL got mishandled. Apparently he's fast enough to avoid Wolverine but Punisher can tackle him out a window... Wow.
There's a reason why Spiderman got tossed aside like garbage and DD didn't.... I suppose it's giving you too much credit to figure out why on your own.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
DC vs. Marvel? O. M. G. Nuff said.
It's clearly not "nuff said" given that both universes have acknowledged it. At any rate it only serves as an illustration to show that a feat occurring "on-panel" does not rid the weight of PIS in any circumstance. Consistency does.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And consistency? Are you kidding me? Wolverine has just as many showings of being put down by bullets as he has wading through bullets with a tough time as he has walking through bullets like he doesn't have a care in the world.

No he doesn't. Wolverine's damage soak is clearly off the charts. He takes bullets in stride and things far worse than that in stride a MAJORITY of the time. A great number of times he doesn't is usually attributed to some plot line like a diminished healing factor or something along those lines.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Daredevil temporarily bringing Wolverine to his knees with a precise nerve strike to the throat is not wildly inconsistent to the point of Spiderman beating Firelord. That's the bottom-line. Spiderman beating Firelord is absolute incomprehensible garbage. Daredevil using a nerve strike on Wolverine? Not the same thing.

No it's not the bottom-line. And I'm not stupid enough to take the bait of such a ridiculous red herring.
The fact of the matter is that PIS is PIS no matter what "level" it's on.
Spiderman being knocked out by Aunt May with a vase to the back of the head, or from an old woman with a broom may not be on the same "level" as SMvs.FL but it's still indisputably PIS.

The real bottom line is that Wolverine's feats of dealing with trauma to his throat which outstrips that of a single strike and wading through it like nothing greatly outnumbers the few examples to the contrary, and that's only the examples of him dealing with throat damage, nevermind the multitudes of times he's had to take far far worse.. like.. Oh I dunno almost every brick fight he's ever had. In fact, the only other examples
I can even think of that would begin to support the DD throat strike are limited to 4 incidents. 4.....
2 of which are inadmissible as they precede Fatal Attractions.
1 of which is noncannon (and we all know how you feel about that).
and the last of which Wolverine got up and took down his opponent to the point of a near death blow after a foreign object ws removed from his throat which he later hinted may have been on purpose anyways.
So out those four incidents there's one that MIGHT be admissible.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I don't know what fight you're referring to. It sounds like you're describing his sparring session with Ogun. Do you mean this, where Wolverine uses a boken and Ogun slaps him with strength that could kill a water buffalo:
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/6102/ogungpracticeduelhj3.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/7268/ogungpracticeduel2mi7.jpg
If not, I can't find what you're referencing. I'd appreciate if you could post the scans.

😐

For claiming that you've read a lot of Wolverine, you're failing to remember a MASSIVELY important fight of his career. How do you not remember the first fight he had with Lady Mariko's father? Dear lord even Alffheim knows about that one.
No, I'm not referring to Ogun, I'm referring to SHINGEN, as I said (though I suppose this cements the answer to Cresh's question if you're comprehending any of this very well).

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Don't evade the question. Nobody's ever embarassed Daredevil in such a quick and efficient manner. Not even Cap or Elektra.
I'm not evading shit. I'm asking a legitimate question the answer to which I don't know. How many people has DD fought that are on Wolverine's level of skill, experience and physicality all at once? And how DID he fair.
And, actually Elektra has.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
So you're ready to disregard a non-distracted berserker rage Wolverine getting temporarily dropped by Daredevil because of perceived writer bias,
Not perceived. It's admitted.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
but not a Wolverine who full-nelsoned Daredevil who was being actively affected by Typhoid Mary
He wasn't being actively effected by Mary. Wolverine states that people aren't in their rights minds when they get around Mary. DD wasn't around Mary, he was following her a block away three stories up... Wolverine is not only closer to Mary when the fight starts, and blindsided to boot, but Wolverine's heightened senses would logically enhance his reaction to anything Mary may have tossed his way.. and she did toss a shit heap his way the issue before that, before he started fighting VENGEANCE (Ghost Rider plus since you keep insisting on forgeting that part).

When Wolverine stated what he did about her ability to manipulate it was before he offered to go after her himself. The statement was nothing more than a warning to DD basically telling DD he was going to clean the mess he started. DD never attributed an affect from Mary, and Wolverine didn't either.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
AND was distracted in mid-battle by the revelation?

Mid-battle? No. How about mid-kick? He was using an attack that Wolverine was swordblocking and sidestepping as he explained the situation he was already moving into position when DD was "surprised".

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Yeah. How dare I question your bias. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Coming from a guy who argued for weeks that the hail of bullets putting Wolverine down was legit? I find this rich as the very cake you're describing.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Please. At least you recognize that it's much more plausible that he ate and rested. Fact is, not once is it mentioned that Wolverine is suffering from starvation or fatigue AFTER Canada. He looks completely fine. And no amount of rampant theorizing changes that. Between hopping around from Serbia to Japan to DC to NYC to Vietnam, what was he doing on those airline flights or train rides? Please. YOU are downplaying Wolverine's healing factor if you think he couldn't recover in that time period. And just because Cap's performance against Wolverine only makes sense to you IF Wolverine's healing factor was taxed, it doesn't make it any more plausible in the face of clear presentation of the book. I don't have his fight with Cyber on hand, feel free to show me the scans. I'm only indulging this pointless exercise in excuses so that anybody reading this knows I am not simply dismissing your interpretation. You want to go the whole nine yards, let's do it. Show me the scans
God you are being absolutely ridiculous... "he looks fine"? What the hell? He "looks fine" when he heals from being blown to a skeleton.. He's not fine... "looks" has nothing to do with it. And I don't know where you got that I think it's more plausible for Wolverine to have slept/ate to a point of 100% when that's contradictory to the storyline we're discussing.
It's not that Wolverine being taxed out when fighting makes more sense to me, it's that it makes sense given the premise of the story, it makes sense given the abilities of Wolverine, and it makes sense given Way's interpretation of Wolverine's healing factor.
Scanners... broken.. I'm really not sure what you want me to do about that.. I'll do what I can.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Wolverine even calls it a bomb. It's described as a weapon against Venom earlier. It's napalm/sonics if I remember correctly. I won't take your word for it, because I did read it. Nuff said.

What. When he said "If you wanna kill me you're gonna need a bigger bomb"? LOL...
If you read the story you didn't read it very well since the people who launched the damned thing called it a friggin NUKE.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Blah blah blah. Wolverine has just as many low showings as he has high showings.
Wrong.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Making excuses and concocting ludicrous theories of starvation and sleep deprivation JUST so you could read a single fight and have it make better sense to you?
It's not a theory nor a concoction. Wolverine needing sufficient time and rest to recover from a taxed out HF goes as far back as his first Brood encounter, and his first encounter being crucified by the Reavers. Even if you want to believe that Wolverine slept and ate, his HF wouldn't be up to par by the time he fought Cap. Period. It's not up for debate.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Fanboys are usually berated for not using your brain. You, you use your brain to think up the wildest scenarios JUST so you can sleep better at night when Wolverine doesn't end up looking like Jesus' twin.
Wow, so you equate Jesus to a murdering psychopath? And you say I lack credibility.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
IDLI, IDH is no excuse for labeling something as Spiderman beats Firelord PIS.
And just because it wasn't on the "level" of a street beating a herald doesn't mean you get to grab any low showing you want and represent it as the standard... Hence the problem we're confronting here.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Which post are you talking about? I've been responding to everything you've said. And as I recall, I was the one who completely busted your "Wolverine-was-starved-and-sleep-deprived-so-his-fight-with-Cap-doesn't-count" myth like cheap china. I was expecting you to take it like a man and say, "Well that's your opinion. We can agree to disagree." You want to keep BSing and expand this level of exposure and continue clinging to the theory? Whatever floats your boat.
I'm referring to the post where you tried to validate the throat strike with Ord's gut slash or Elektra's attack.. Where all this crap started.. Your best retort was some crazed sideways attack of my credibility based on your inability to find interviews or follow plot lines.

Completely busted? Uh no, the argument is and has always been that Wolverine did not sleep or eat for a good portion of time after HOM to the point that it effected his HF. This is supported. It's supported by his statement concerning eating his own arm, blacking out from deprivation and malnourishment thereafter, a weakened healing factor between two showings of high healing factor from Way, a history of needing time to get back up to 100% after a taxing, incidents where Wolverine's travelled halfway around the world without eating or sleeping in spite of accumulated damage, and a feat from Way that contradicts the very one you're trying to support 7 issues later.

Your best response? "He traveled more and changed his clothes he must have ate and slept accordingly it's the logical thing to do" completely ignoring mounds of evidence to the contrary, lacking the on panel proof you love so much at night to support the theory, and ignoring that Wolverine is anything but a logical or rational man. 😐

jinzin Senior Member
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Jebus, help the man. Iron Fist was a normal human. No powers, no ability to use his chi to heal himself. He got tail whipped by a flying dragon the size of the Hulk and he didn't even try to defend himself. You want to keep making excuses that Danny was barely affected by this, just so you can make ridiculous comparisons for Wolverine fans? Please. Luke Cage friggin punched Junzo when he had his powers. Guess he's better than both Iron Fist and Wolverine. Wolverine didn't get a single hit on Junzo. Neither did Iron Fist, who was stripped of his powers and thrown in jail after being KTFO by a flying dragon. Nuff said.

A normal human? No.. a peak human with high levels of chi... FAR from normal.
No Iron Fist does not equate to no chi.

The dragon wasn't even the size of Hulk, on further inspection it's far smaller.
Where's your on panel evidence that it effected Iron Fists fighting ability? That it did anything more than knock him out? You don't have any because nothing even close to the sort was ever mentioned as in AT ALL. it doesn't exist. Yet you're going to sit here and preach to me not to hold in regard something that was referenced and evidenced? You're a true beacon of hypocrisy my friend.

Yes Luke may have hit Junzo, but it really doesn't matter as Junzo wasn't using his powers yet while Cage can't turn his off and Iron Fist has already admitted that he can't take Luke straight up.
Once Junzo did what happened? Luke got KTFO with one hit.
Wolverine lapel grabbing Junzo, stuffing his Iron Fist, while backing him into a corner while he's was using all his abilities is a far more impressive feat than anything Iron Fist, Cage or the entirety of the New Warriors accomplished against the man.

jrodslam Senior Member
Originally posted by Creshosk
No... You gave your interpritation of the scan. Nothing that proves that was the only time.

Lol. Ok, so if nothing proves that was the only time, show where there was another time.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Except that that doesn't...

Actually, it does. You cant prove otherwise to try to prove your point because it doesnt exist.

Originally posted by Creshosk
No you haven't... Keep trying.

Theres nothing more for me to prove. Its on panel and circles for you. Even quoted. On the other hand, you havent proven anything.

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Easily evades DD's club? 😬 That's a mighty big stretch. DD clearly wasn't even aiming for him. He was clearly aiming for the ninja behind Wolverine, as evidenced by the fact that it then ricocheted off that ninja's head into another's head, only to then return back to DD's hand.
Yes evades. Daredevil may have had the intent of hitting the ninja behind Wolverine, but he had to to aim THROUGH Wolverine to hit the guy. Wolverine necessarily had to dodge the billy club to avoid being hit by it. And it's not unsupported. Wolverine/Hydra/Hand said he missed, DD didn't deny it, and Wolverine's stuffed his thrown billy club since then as well.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
You're the one arguing that Wolverine was brainwashed and therefore not fighting to his full ability. Well, it seems pretty clear that Daredevil didn't even want to fight Wolverine, even as Wolvie is trying to kill him. The most offensive we see DD is with the dumbbell. Up to that, he's just trying to talk some sense into Wolvie while trying to stay alive from the various opponents (Wolvie included). He even grabs Wolvie's wrists in order to halt him to talk to him. An EXTREMELY-skilled martial artist like DD, and he doesn't attack Wolvie once he has him in this position?
Oh please, DD had the opportunity of using an offensive to get Wolverine off of him in the first place. He jumped on it. Daredevil tackled Wolverine through a door and down a staircase, I'd call that a pretty f*cking offensive maneuver. It's not like he had the opportunity to strike and didn't take advantage of it. He was just doing to poor to make any openings. He has Wolverine's wrists and then what? What do you think he was supposed to do? He couldn't overpower Wolverine, trying to kick him would cause a loss in balance, and even if he did kick him so what? What do you think it would do to Wolverine? Nothing comes to mind.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
And have you ever been kneed hard in the gut? I would've been more upset if it didn't make DD let go. Hell, if the roles were reversed, Wolvie probably would've had to have let go, too, from such a damaging attack.
I really don't follow what you think you're proving with this little rant.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Also shows that DD is quite capable of holding Wolvie's arms at bay, even with Wolvie's "ZOMG LOW-LEVEL SUPER STRENGTH". Wolvie couldn't get his hands back, so he kneed instead. And it worked.
And? he still got out of the position didn't he? He still managed to send Matt flying bleeding and crashing into a weight set did he not?
And as for wrist control.. wrist control as with wrestling has as much if not more to do with balance, grip strength, and leverage than it does bench press muscle. DD was in a better position of leverage, and he has natural attributes that enhance his center of gravity past that of a normal human, his grip strength should be immense due to his bar work in acrobatics and he's not exactly weak to begin with what with spinning 400 pound barbells like a bo staff.

Without the attributes that make DD well suited to pressure Wolverine in that position he'd not have faired as well.
Punisher's tried to do as much with Wolverine a couple of times and been tossed multitudes of feet for his troubles.

The whole point of my DD fight rant was to show Phantom that the feat does NOT make DD look better... and regardless if DD was trying to get through to Wolverine or not... It doesn't.

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Can't be bothered. Anyway yeah you could say its subjective its not a stretch to say DD was distracted.
You can't be bothered? Then what's the point of starting this little debate between us in the first place. It IS a stretch to say that he was distracted/effected more than Wolverine. It IS a stretch to assume that's the only reason DD faired poorly when Wolverine was transitioning to the last panel as he told DD about Mary.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Yeah it does cant be bothered to explain why.
Then consider yourself reported for trolling.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Did Einnis write Wolverine being a threat to Gladiator?
No.. what does that matter concerning anything?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
What a load of crap.
Cap has hit Savage Hulk so hard that it made him let go. (Im assuming MA technique was put into that)
Hes Koed Namor underwater.
Hes hurt Abomination
Hes hurt Korvac with his barehands. Korvac who is more powerful than Professor Hulk.
And this is why I surmised that you thought it acceptable for Cap to KO Hulk with punches... 😐

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I could list more I guess all these ocassions are PIS. You just call it PIS because it proves that Cap or DD can Ko him.
No I call it PIS because it completely disregards a characters common representation for the sake of getting Cap or DD out of hairy situations..

Tell me this.. If Wolverine has more feats where he's taken worse damage to the throat area than he has been effected by damage to that area why is the ONE DD example of DD damaging him with a throat strike the more acceptable feat?
Do you not find that odd?

If Hulk has more feats of not even being effected by damage output greater than Cap can dish out with his fingers or fists why is Cap's feat the more valid to you?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Holy shit it was written down till he met Daken? Isn't that something like 10 or more issues later? So waitwaitaiwait not only was his HF depleted till he met Cap it was messed up until he met Daken?
Yes. His HF was depleted due to malnourishment and deprivation after HOM up to days before the Cap fight to the point he blacked out. During the fight Cap nailed him with the Muramasa, a blade he can't heal from. He said that the wound that was left made Wolverine feel like he was dying.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Uh let me guess his HF was written down because it didn't fit you view of how it shoudl work so you made some excuse up.
No it was written down because Way, the guy who just got done writing an arc where Wolverine's taking everything DP could dish out to him for three issues straight needed to raise the stakes of his story line.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Yeah I know im so biased im giving Wolverine 5/10....get out!
STFU. You've admitted that you argue for no other reason than to argue. You've admitted that you do it just to rile Wolverine fans. Hell yes you're bias.
And me get out? You're the one "sigh"ing every other post.

Newsflash: no one's hounding you endlessly in every thread you appear in. On the other hand you ARE invasive of every thread Wolverine appears in for no other reason than to argue with Wolverine fans. Either be ready for consistent retorts or stop being a trolling fool.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
As I said earlier at this point im not even arguing wether he was mindcontrolled or not just simply you think it didn't make DD look good.
It didn't.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Nah it makes DD look good but I'll let everybody have a good laugh.
Yeah DD looks great. Disarmed, knocked across a room twice, bleeding clutching his chest and owing his "victory" to several plot devices against a weakened mind controlled Wolverine... SOOOO impressive. 😐

jinzin Senior Member

Jrodslam.

So it either goes one of two ways. Either Wolverine was fighting the control of the Hydra/Hand or he was a complete puppet and DD had validity in stating that Wolverine's thoughts were not his own.

Either way it's not a great showing for DD compared to what he was up against. 😬

jrodslam Senior Member

Originally posted by jinzin
Jrodslam.

So it either goes one of two ways. Either Wolverine was fighting the control of the Hydra/Hand or he was a complete puppet and DD had validity in stating that Wolverine's thoughts were not his own.

Either way it's not a great showing for DD compared to what he was up against. 😬

Actually Jin, its both ways like ive been saying my last 5 posts or so. Wolvie wasnt a complete puppet, but he wasnt fighting the control the entire fight neither.

I never stated it was a great showing for DD. First off, Wolvie and a bunch of ninjas sneaking up on him? C'mon. It wasnt a bad showing though considering DD just woke up and didnt want to severely harm his friend. Whereas there were a couple of occasions where Wolvie was going for the killing blow on DD and even got a slash off.

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by jrodslam
Lol. Ok, so if nothing proves that was the only time, show where there was another time.
Its not my job to do your work for you.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Actually, it does. You cant prove otherwise to try to prove your point because it doesnt exist.
You said it seemed was the only time. You're the one that needs to prove that claim.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Theres nothing more for me to prove. Its on panel and circles for you. Even quoted. On the other hand, you havent proven anything.
Its not my job to do your work for you. You claimed that that seemed like the only time.

And so you haven't proven that it WAS.. Negative proof fallacy.

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by jrodslam
Actually Jin, its both ways like ive been saying my last 5 posts or so. Wolvie wasnt a complete puppet, but he wasnt fighting the control the entire fight neither.
So Wolvie WAS a complete puppet(not fighting the mind control), but he was NOT a complete puppet?

Way to contradict yourself there.

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by jrodslam
Actually Jin, its both ways like ive been saying my last 5 posts or so. Wolvie wasnt a complete puppet, but he wasnt fighting the control the entire fight neither.

I never stated it was a great showing for DD. First off, Wolvie and a bunch of ninjas sneaking up on him? C'mon. It wasnt a bad showing though considering DD just woke up and didnt want to severely harm his friend. Whereas there were a couple of occasions where Wolvie was going for the killing blow on DD and even got a slash off.

Originally posted by Creshosk
So Wolvie WAS a complete puppet(not fighting the mind control), but he was NOT a complete puppet?

Way to contradict yourself there.

😬

jrodslam Senior Member
Originally posted by Creshosk
Its not my job to do your work for you.

No, you have to do your own work. You comment like on what i said is inaccurate. Its your job to prove me wrong.

Originally posted by Creshosk
You said it seemed was the only time. You're the one that needs to prove that claim.

Yea i said that. I didnt see any other time where it appeared Wolvie was fighting the control at all. Theres nothing else to show.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Its not my job to do your work for you. You claimed that that seemed like the only time.

See above.

Originally posted by Creshosk
And so you haven't proven that it WAS.. Negative proof fallacy.

I did, because i didnt post any more scans. Did i miss something Cresh? I dont think so, but if you find anything i missed, be sure to let me know. Otherwise, thats it.🙂

You havent posted anything that supports your argument. Youre not doing your job. You post, then a rebuttal follows.

jrodslam Senior Member

Originally posted by Creshosk
So Wolvie WAS a complete puppet(not fighting the mind control), but he was NOT a complete puppet?

Way to contradict yourself there.

Originally posted by Jinzin
😬

Wasnt. As in was not. Wolverine was not a complete puppet the entire fight, NOR was he fighting the control the entire fight.

Theres no contradiction there. There were times where there was fight/struggle in Wolvie. There were times where Wolvie was going to try and complete his mission.

Comprehension ftw?