OneDumbG0
Find Your Own Fire
Damn. I deleted a large chunk of my posts. That's what I get for not saving it to clipboard. Alright screw it. Time for quick and dirty version.
Jinzin, thank you for posting the scans that I asked for. And your stance is reasonable. Unfortunately, I think you helped prove my point as much as proved your own. I'll give credit where credit is due. Your incredulity of DD bringing Wolverine to his knees is not simply based in rampant fanboyism. However, you still fail to recognize that precise damage does indeed affect Wolverine, albeit momentarily. I've already discussed Elektra and Cap.
Let's address your very own Shingen scans. In the second to last panel, Wolverine admits that his legs go numb. It's the first time he gets hit in the spine, but as Wolverine admits, everything goes downhill from there. He doesn't even appear to have regained the use of his legs by the time Shingen ends it in the second page. This is even clearer proof that precise strikes can cause Wolverine to temporarily fold. In his DD fight, apparently it worked. In his fight with Elektra it definitely worked. And in the very same battle you stated proved it wouldn't work, nerve strikes both work and don't work at the same time:
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Let's try something else. Sword stabs. How many times has Wolverine had his heart stabbed and he's been fine? Well there are times where he's not fine:
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What does this prove? That cumulative and catastrophic damage is not the only way to incapacitate Wolverine. Precise damage has proven to incapacitate him. The above examples, DD throat strike, Elektra sai stab, Cap tendon crush. This has nothing to do with a wildly variant healing factor. It's about technique. And each of the above cited examples has that technique in spades.
At the same time, it's very good to know that you've dropped the whole Ennis is biased so it's garbage excuse. Fact is, Ennis has no love for superheroes. He didn't portray Wolverine well. Tieri specifically targetted Punisher. He didn't portray Punisher well. Writer bias is no reason to throw out on-panel feats. PIS is indisputably retarded writing, i.e. Spiderman beats Firelord. Daredevil using a nerve strike to bring Wolverine to his knees for a few seconds DOES NOT RISE to SPvFL. Nuff said.
And I'll risk responding to your ludicrous starved, sleep deprived myth once more. Which makes me feel dirty because it almost seems like I'm actually injecting worth by discussing it when it's so patently ridiculous. First, right off the bat you were wrong. Wolverine did not just wake up from 'House of M' and head out on his quest. He waits several weeks before doing so. Second, he did starve and arguably didn't rest between Japan and Canada. He was not in good shape at that point. But not at any time thereafter, was he portrayed as being starved, sleep deprived or anything less than normal. Third, he travels to Serbia, to Japan, to Washington DC, to Brooklyn and then to Vietnam:
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He meets with connections, grabs supplies and an extra costume, boards cars+planes+ships+trains, carries around duffel bags and sits in his Brooklyn hideout. Do you expect ANYBODY to believe that he didn't eat a single thing or that he didn't rest a single minute? PLEASE. What, he goes through six wardrobe changes and can't bring himself to get a sandwich? What did he have in those duffel bags... weights to make it even harder for himself? Is that what he's doing? He's going on a mission and intentionally starving himself and not sleeping? You're theorizing is turning Logan into the stupidest mutie I've ever heard of. Even I give him more credit then that!
Then of course you have to inject some wild idea that Daniel Way inconsistently portrays his healing factor to wild degrees within stories. What did you say before? That Wolverine needed minutes to heal crushed tendons from Cap, but that a post-Muramasa-sliced Wolverine healed his crushed arms in seconds? You're talking about this:
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You're kidding me. Yea. Maybe you could interpret that as having his arms crushed. I interpret that as Cyber breaking his full nelson hold and clamped his arms between his adamantium lined ribs and arms. If Wolverine had mentioned that his arms were crushed or his tendons were crushed, yea, maybe you'd have a point that there's inconsistency. As far as I see, there's no way Cyber could have actually applied direct pressure to his tendons in the precise way that Cap did using his ribs. It's not the same thing. Thus there is no inconsistency.
And lulz at you for arguing that consistency should govern and that IDLI, IDH ought to be PIS. You wholeheartedly endorse that Wolverine getting DD into a full-nelson in three panels is consistent. While ignoring Typhoid Mary's powers influencing him AND ignoring DD's distraction at the mid battle revelation of a third Typhoid. This was a consistent showing to you? You actually gave me these scans of DD knocking the crap out of Elektra before she gets him into a hold as the same thing? You got DD hitting Elektra four times, screaming and actually turning to Milla for her to get out and then finally Elektra puts him into a reverse armbar:
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http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/1739/dd2ze0.jpg
you: "Oh Ennis was biased!"
me: "So was Tieri, and unlike Ennis, Tieri was specific about it. So we throw out Tieri's fight too?"
you: "No! Because also nerve strikes don't work on Logan, he's taken worse!"
me: "Actually, you just proved yourself that nerve strikes work. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. And Logan has taken worse, but he's also taken less but more precise damage to great effect."
you: "No! It's not consistent!"
me: "Fine. Then throw out DD's full-nelson because that is wildly inconsistent with Daredevil as well."
you: "No!"
Lame. Your ideas are lame. Your theories are lame. Your double standards are lame. You've had to switch positions so many times, I can barely tell where you stand anymore. Every single thing you say, I have to go and actually read for myself because I've found that you selectively leave out details or just plain forget them (neither of which is reassuring) and you go to very great lengths to concoct wild theories that absolutely make no sense whatsoever. Wolvie didn't eat or sleep at all in 'Origins & Endings?' And for what? I mean, just what is the whole overall purpose of that wild idea? To make Wolverine look more impressive in a single fight against Cap that he already performed admirably in? Just. Unbelievable. Nuff. Said.
