F*ck me sideways. That fourth scan in the row of scans was supposed to be this. Whatever. You get the point. Serbia -> Japan -> Washington DC -> Brooklyn -> Vietnam. Bah humbug:
Originally posted by Juk3n😮
^ has made a fan out of me.<3 your posts pal, the sense, oh the sense, it's so refreshing to see actual sense.
Still DD
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Damn. I deleted a large chunk of my posts. That's what I get for not saving it to clipboard. Alright screw it. Time for quick and dirty version.Jinzin, thank you for posting the scans that I asked for. And your stance is reasonable. Unfortunately, I think you helped prove my point as much as proved your own. I'll give credit where credit is due. Your incredulity of DD bringing Wolverine to his knees is not simply based in rampant fanboyism. However, you still fail to recognize that precise damage does indeed affect Wolverine, albeit momentarily. I've already discussed Elektra and Cap.
Let's address your very own Shingen scans. In the second to last panel, Wolverine admits that his legs go numb. It's the first time he gets hit in the spine, but as Wolverine admits, everything goes downhill from there. He doesn't even appear to have regained the use of his legs by the time Shingen ends it in the second page. This is even clearer proof that precise strikes can cause Wolverine to temporarily fold. In his DD fight, apparently it worked. In his fight with Elektra it definitely worked. And in the very same battle you stated proved it wouldn't work, nerve strikes both work and don't work at the same time:
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/7767/46660397kk2.jpg
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/9242/55679963nh9.jpgLet's try something else. Sword stabs. How many times has Wolverine had his heart stabbed and he's been fine? Well there are times where he's not fine:
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/3572/wolverine088page06072yd.jpg
http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ownedbygorgon2zg2.jpgWhat does this prove? That cumulative and catastrophic damage is not the only way to incapacitate Wolverine. Precise damage has proven to incapacitate him. The above examples, DD throat strike, Elektra sai stab, Cap tendon crush. This has nothing to do with a wildly variant healing factor. It's about technique. And each of the above cited examples has that technique in spades.
At the same time, it's very good to know that you've dropped the whole Ennis is biased so it's garbage excuse. Fact is, Ennis has no love for superheroes. He didn't portray Wolverine well. Tieri specifically targetted Punisher. He didn't portray Punisher well. Writer bias is no reason to throw out on-panel feats. PIS is indisputably retarded writing, i.e. Spiderman beats Firelord. Daredevil using a nerve strike to bring Wolverine to his knees for a few seconds DOES NOT RISE to SPvFL. Nuff said.
And I'll risk responding to your ludicrous starved, sleep deprived myth once more. Which makes me feel dirty because it almost seems like I'm actually injecting worth by discussing it when it's so patently ridiculous. First, right off the bat you were wrong. Wolverine did not just wake up from 'House of M' and head out on his quest. He waits several weeks before doing so. Second, he did starve and arguably didn't rest between Japan and Canada. He was not in good shape at that point. But not at any time thereafter, was he portrayed as being starved, sleep deprived or anything less than normal. Third, he travels to Serbia, to Japan, to Washington DC, to Brooklyn and then to Vietnam:
He meets with connections, grabs supplies and an extra costume, boards cars+planes+ships+trains, carries around duffel bags and sits in his Brooklyn hideout. Do you expect ANYBODY to believe that he didn't eat a single thing or that he didn't rest a single minute? PLEASE. What, he goes through six wardrobe changes and can't bring himself to get a sandwich? What did he have in those duffel bags... weights to make it even harder for himself? Is that what he's doing? He's going on a mission and intentionally starving himself and not sleeping? You're theorizing is turning Logan into the stupidest mutie I've ever heard of. Even I give him more credit then that!
Then of course you have to inject some wild idea that Daniel Way inconsistently portrays his healing factor to wild degrees within stories. What did you say before? That Wolverine needed minutes to heal crushed tendons from Cap, but that a post-Muramasa-sliced Wolverine healed his crushed arms in seconds? You're talking about this:
http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/6592/cyberqu4.jpg
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/8505/cyber2wy2.jpgYou're kidding me. Yea. Maybe you could interpret that as having his arms crushed. I interpret that as Cyber breaking his full nelson hold and clamped his arms between his adamantium lined ribs and arms. If Wolverine had mentioned that his arms were crushed or his tendons were crushed, yea, maybe you'd have a point that there's inconsistency. As far as I see, there's no way Cyber could have actually applied direct pressure to his tendons in the precise way that Cap did using his ribs. It's not the same thing. Thus there is no inconsistency.
And lulz at you for arguing that consistency should govern and that IDLI, IDH ought to be PIS. You wholeheartedly endorse that Wolverine getting DD into a full-nelson in three panels is consistent. While ignoring Typhoid Mary's powers influencing him AND ignoring DD's distraction at the mid battle revelation of a third Typhoid. This was a consistent showing to you? You actually gave me these scans of DD knocking the crap out of Elektra before she gets him into a hold as the same thing? You got DD hitting Elektra four times, screaming and actually turning to Milla for her to get out and then finally Elektra puts him into a reverse armbar:
http://img57.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ddsj5.jpg
http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/1739/dd2ze0.jpgyou: "Oh Ennis was biased!"
me: "So was Tieri, and unlike Ennis, Tieri was specific about it. So we throw out Tieri's fight too?"
you: "No! Because also nerve strikes don't work on Logan, he's taken worse!"
me: "Actually, you just proved yourself that nerve strikes work. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. And Logan has taken worse, but he's also taken less but more precise damage to great effect."
you: "No! It's not consistent!"
me: "Fine. Then throw out DD's full-nelson because that is wildly inconsistent with Daredevil as well."
you: "No!"Lame. Your ideas are lame. Your theories are lame. Your double standards are lame. You've had to switch positions so many times, I can barely tell where you stand anymore. Every single thing you say, I have to go and actually read for myself because I've found that you selectively leave out details or just plain forget them (neither of which is reassuring) and you go to very great lengths to concoct wild theories that absolutely make no sense whatsoever. Wolvie didn't eat or sleep at all in 'Origins & Endings?' And for what? I mean, just what is the whole overall purpose of that wild idea? To make Wolverine look more impressive in a single fight against Cap that he already performed admirably in? Just. Unbelievable. Nuff. Said.
Seeing this post makes me want to save a whale; start a fund raiser; and donate a organ.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Lame. Your ideas are lame. Your theories are lame. Your double standards are lame. You've had to switch positions so many times, I can barely tell where you stand anymore. Every single thing you say, I have to go and actually read for myself because I've found that you selectively leave out details or just plain forget them (neither of which is reassuring) and you go to very great lengths to concoct wild theories that absolutely make no sense whatsoever. Wolvie didn't eat or sleep at all in 'Origins & Endings?' And for what? I mean, just what is the whole overall purpose of that wild idea? To make Wolverine look more impressive in a single fight against Cap that he already performed admirably in? Just. Unbelievable. Nuff. Said.
Nuff said. No need to post in this thread anymore. Ive been saying this for ages im just glad other people are starting to notice.
Originally posted by Apolloknight
Seeing this post makes me want to save a whale; start a fund raiser; and donate a organ.
Agreed. 👆
Um looking at your post again you have actually made some mistakes.
In this fight Wolverine was poisoned before hand and it knocked him out.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
In his DD fight, apparently it worked. In his fight with Elektra it definitely worked. And in the very same battle you stated proved it wouldn't work, nerve strikes both work and don't work at the same time:
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/7767/46660397kk2.jpg
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/9242/55679963nh9.jpg
Sorry mate Wolverines HF was really ****ed up then.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Let's try something else. Sword stabs. How many times has Wolverine had his heart stabbed and he's been fine? Well there are times where he's not fine:
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/3572/wolverine088page06072yd.jpg
http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ownedbygorgon2zg2.jpg
However im still dont think that the scans that jinzin provided neccesarily prove that DD can't pressure point Wolverine because DD uses technique.
Mr Hyde can take bullets to his chest but that didn't stop DD from dropping him with a pressure point. Therefore just because Wolverine can get chopped in the throat and keep going does not neccsarily mean that he cant go down to an MA who is good enough.
As I mentioned before Cap has already stunned Professor Hulk. Professor Hulk has taken all sorts of damage didn't stop Cap from stunning him.
Also DD is probably the best martial artist at pressure points. Shingen maybe good but he may not be as good as DD.
Originally posted by jinzinAdamantium teeth didn't break on Roughouse, Roughouse hasn't been seen walking around a molten skeleton with no issues. And the main reason I even bring up Wolverine hurting bricks with punches and kicks is too illustrate that he has the same feats of stopping power as other characters like Cap or BP regardless of my interpretation of the feat.
1. Thats irrelevant the point is that Roughouse has taken worse damage than Wolverine fists but thats still didn't stop Wolverine from stunning him and you used that as an example.
Didn't Roughouse survive being stabbed by Wolverine and didn't you argue that Wolverine was able to cut Thanos with the IG?
2. Notice how you ignored the Hulk?
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneHell havent you argued that Wolverine was able to hurt Roughouse with his barehands and hurt HUlk with a headbutt etc etc. I dunno sounds like blatant hypocrisy.
Hulk has a HF and has some pretty good showings you argued that Wolverine was able to hurt him and now you're arguing against Cap hurting Hulk. Hypocrisy.
Strength is debatable. As DD was able to wield a 400 lb barbell as easily as he would a quarter staff--seemingly effortless. Also flipped a limo. And didn't he also rip a mailbox out of the ground in order to beat an opponent with it? Any difference is marginal, in my opinion.
And Wolverine's still susceptible to pressure point strikes, something DD's got in spades.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Strength is debatable. As DD was able to wield a 400 lb barbell as easily as he would a quarter staff--seemingly effortless. Also flipped a limo. And didn't he also rip a mailbox out of the ground in order to beat an opponent with it? Any difference is marginal, in my opinion.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
And Wolverine's still susceptible to pressure point strikes, something DD's got in spades.
Originally posted by Boy BlueYea but, if this was just simply no healing factor Wolverine, why is the title H2H? It'd more like "Wolverine vs. Daredevil - no HF," or something along those lines. But you're right, he didn't actually mention no claws. I merely gathered that from the H2H title and the course of the debate.
I skimmed over the first page, it didn't say anything about no claws.
Originally posted by Starscream Mhysterical
ummm he didn't respond to you 😬
