Wolverine vs. Daredevil - H2H

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
So now you're arguing that Wolverine could never be brought to his knees for a few seconds by a single precise shot by a competent martial artist that rivals him in skill? I don't discount that Wolverine has taken massive amounts of damage. I don't discount that Wolverine has even been able to shrug off precise damage designed to breifly incapacitate. But these three concepts are not mutually exclusive of each other. You want to engage in reductionist nonsense that since Wolverine has taken massive damage and sometimes shrugged off precise damage by competent martial artists that ANY instance where Wolverine is briefly incapacitated by precise damage is PIS. What kind of simplistic, self-serving logic is this? It's utter crap. In the damn examples that you yourself show, by the very same writers in the very same stories, Wolverine has proven prone to brief incapacitation from precise damage.

Shingen couldn't stop Wolverine when he nailed him with several nerve strikes to his neck... but he completely numbed Wolverine's feeling in his legs with a single strike to the spine. Wolverine takes massive damage from his fight with the X-Men without ever missing a beat, but a single inadvertent sword stab through the heart actually briefly shocks his system enough to bring his personality back in Murdock's apartment. These occurrences are not SPvFL PIS. Wolverine has consistently been depicted as being prone to brief incapacitation from precise damage. Your very own evidence proves this. Daredevil nerve striking Wolverine and stopping him for a few seconds could never happen? PHAIL.
So... between these two fights, Elektra who doesn't want to fight DD embarasses Daredevil worse than Wolverine who doesn't want to fight DD here:

Dood! You could ask a five year old who does better and they'd tell you Wolverine! W. T. F. And Elektra was calm? Those exclamation points and cut-off sentences towards the end certainly don't look calm. But then again, what's the point of asserting that Elektra was calm about it in the first place? So was Wolverine! Are you even reading the same scans as us? Daredevil turned in mid-fight to scream at Milla to run. And he got four hits on Elektra who ended up with a bloody face for her trouble. Wolverine got kicked once by DD and stuffed him in three panels. How is Elektra embarassing Matt worse? Seriously. When a point turns against Wolverine, you just go nuts, man. Cap has NEVER embarassed Matt. Ever. Your continued insistence does nothing to change that fact. Take off the Wolvie-goggles for just one second and look at those scans again. Now tell everyone in all serious honesty, that Elektra did better than Wolverine. Maybe once you take your Wolvie-goggles off you'll recognize that nobody has embarassed Daredevil like in that Typhoid Mary scene ever. And that is inconsistent. So by your standards, we throw it out, right? Oh no. You will continue to use it to serve your own purposes because you engage in double-standards. PHAIL.
WTH are you talking about? You never even proved in the first place that Wolverine was starving himself or depriving himself of sleep before going after Silver Samurai! I'm not proving a damn negative! You just assumed that in the three weeks of hiding before confronting Silver Samurai, Wolverine didn't eat or sleep at all? Where the hell do you get off assuming all this crap? Single serving snacks? Jetlag? GAWD.
OH BULLCRAP!!!!!

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Jinzin, four words for you:

Originally posted by Juk3n
I lol'd

Heres some more double standards.

Originally posted by jinzin

Captain America successfully pressure pointing a character like Prof Hulk is about as valid as Cap knocking him out with punches.. as in NOT VALID...

Do you have even the first clue of what Prof. Hulk was?
Why would a pressure point effect him when he walked through Vectors blast, to the point he was reduced to a walking smoldering skeleton only to punch Iron Clad unconscious?
Why would a pressure point from Cap even get past the durability of his skin which broke second grade ADAMANTIUM teeth?
Is Cap's damage output> Any version of Adamantium's durability? HELL NO.
Why would Cap's pressure point do ANYTHING to a guy who's healing factor was and is more impressive than Wolverine's STILL?

Prof Hulk was one of the most powerful, fast healing, badass versions of Hulk there's ever been.
You're supporting SMvsFL with SMvsGALACTUS here. 😐

Originally posted by Phantom Zone

Er no becuase worse damage is subjective Mr Hyde has taken worse damage but that still didn't stop DD dropping him with a pressure point.
Its an established fact that MAs are able to hurt people who can take vast amounts of damage hell back in the day BP was able to hurt Savage HUlk with a kick is all that PIS?

Here you are stating that its PIS for Mas to hurt or stun Professor Hulk or Savage Hulk

Originally posted by jinzin

😂 No it's not. Not when a character is too durable to be affected by things that are 10x another character's ability to put out.

And YES... it was.

but in another discussion.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
When Wolverine can hurt somebody as powerful as Korvac with his barehands comeback and talk to me. 😎

Originally posted by jinzin
Horde.
Savage Hulk.

Its also hypocritical to argue that Wolverine can KO Roughouse with his barehands and then argue that MAs cant hurt or stun Hulk.

Roughouse may not be as tough as Hulk but he can probably take damage from things that are much more powerful than Wolverine fists.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
So now you're arguing that Wolverine could never be brought to his knees for a few seconds by a single precise shot by a competent martial artist that rivals him in skill? I don't discount that Wolverine has taken massive amounts of damage. I don't discount that Wolverine has even been able to shrug off precise damage designed to breifly incapacitate. But these three concepts are not mutually exclusive of each other. You want to engage in reductionist nonsense that since Wolverine has taken massive damage and sometimes shrugged off precise damage by competent martial artists that ANY instance where Wolverine is briefly incapacitated by precise damage is PIS. What kind of simplistic, self-serving logic is this? It's utter crap. In the damn examples that you yourself show, by the very same writers in the very same stories, Wolverine has proven prone to brief incapacitation from precise damage.

Shingen couldn't stop Wolverine when he nailed him with several nerve strikes to his neck... but he completely numbed Wolverine's feeling in his legs with a single strike to the spine. Wolverine takes massive damage from his fight with the X-Men without ever missing a beat, but a single inadvertent sword stab through the heart actually briefly shocks his system enough to bring his personality back in Murdock's apartment. These occurrences are not SPvFL PIS. Wolverine has consistently been depicted as being prone to brief incapacitation from precise damage. Your very own evidence proves this. Daredevil nerve striking Wolverine and stopping him for a few seconds could never happen? PHAIL.
So... between these two fights, Elektra who doesn't want to fight DD embarasses Daredevil worse than Wolverine who doesn't want to fight DD here:

Dood! You could ask a five year old who does better and they'd tell you Wolverine! W. T. F. And Elektra was calm? Those exclamation points and cut-off sentences towards the end certainly don't look calm. But then again, what's the point of asserting that Elektra was calm about it in the first place? So was Wolverine! Are you even reading the same scans as us? Daredevil turned in mid-fight to scream at Milla to run. And he got four hits on Elektra who ended up with a bloody face for her trouble. Wolverine got kicked once by DD and stuffed him in three panels. How is Elektra embarassing Matt worse? Seriously. When a point turns against Wolverine, you just go nuts, man. Cap has NEVER embarassed Matt. Ever. Your continued insistence does nothing to change that fact. Take off the Wolvie-goggles for just one second and look at those scans again. Now tell everyone in all serious honesty, that Elektra did better than Wolverine. Maybe once you take your Wolvie-goggles off you'll recognize that nobody has embarassed Daredevil like in that Typhoid Mary scene ever. And that is inconsistent. So by your standards, we throw it out, right? Oh no. You will continue to use it to serve your own purposes because you engage in double-standards. PHAIL.
WTH are you talking about? You never even proved in the first place that Wolverine was starving himself or depriving himself of sleep before going after Silver Samurai! I'm not proving a damn negative! You just assumed that in the three weeks of hiding before confronting Silver Samurai, Wolverine didn't eat or sleep at all? Where the hell do you get off assuming all this crap? Single serving snacks? Jetlag? GAWD.

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Jinzin, four words for you:

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If you think that the standard Wolverine showing is him getting one shotted by "competent martial artists" then you should most definitely prove so outside of your PIS ridden Daredevil example. So far you've given two examples that even come close to even being comparible to the DD one and neither of them validate DD bringing Wolverine to the floor with one shot.
You acknowledge the fact that Wolverine can take damage, but you're ignoring the evidence that flat out discredits DD doing him harm to that degree... or Gorgon for that matter.
The fact of the matter is that Wolverine's fought scores of people at Daredevil's level and above..... and he HASN'T been one shotted by these guys. Cap who's DD's superior in every category, Gorgon, Ogun, Shingen, Elektra, Shang Chi, even his horrible showing against Iron Fist at the beginning of his career he's never been one shotted by any of these people and he's provided everyone on that list with competition. Even beaten a number of them. But you know better right?
The argument IS NOT that since Wolverine shruggs off precise damage so that any instance of him being hurt by it is PIS, of course with your reading comprehension problems and resolve to jump to the nearest conclusion that fits your agenda I could see how might reach this.

The argument is:
1. -Since Wolverine's first solo mini series had him taking multitudes of throat strikes while weakened and hurting with a weaker healing factor than post Fatal Attractions, the feat is called into heavy question.

2. -Since Wolverine's taken far worse damage IN THE SAME AREA a multitude of times over that leaves the Daredevil feat in the 10% minority it's quite unlikely to happen.

3. - Since Wolverine's taken damage that far exceeds the throat strike in other areas, larger areas, likewise curcial areas in for more excessive volume so many times that the feat in question falls below the 5% likelyhood, the 2%, and then even below that, that the feat is a clear anti-representation of how the character is normally portrayed.

4. - Since Wolverine's never been one shotted by ANY capible martial artist both at AND ABOVE Daredevil's level and has always put up major fights against all comers, so seeing Dardevil do it to a Wolverine who who's portrayed as a complete imbicil lends no credit to the feat to begin with.

5. That since Wolverine's faired well against DD after being blindsided, and faired well against DD while being mind controlled, attempting to fight it, and missing half of his soul, seeing him put down someone who's been portrayed as DD's superior multiple times, only to give next to no opstical to DD immediately after that already throws the feat into a clear contradiction of the two characters' directt representation when fighting one another alone.

6. And finally, since Wolverine's portrayed in the same book by the same writer as taking punishment that far outweighs a throat strike by leagues when the severity of the damage done is put into considertation only to be dropped when he needed Wolverine out of the way by much less, added on top of points 1 through 5..... that the only logical conclussion to arrive to is that the feat was nothing more than an instance of major PIS and anyone trying to legitimately argue otherwise is either completely delusional or purposely ignoring blatant, obvious and consistent facts.

*The fact that Ennis states he likes to take a piss with superheroes robs the feat of it's credibility as well since it exposes that he has no issues with mishandling the characters completely.

As for your attack to the Shingen feat, here we go again, you've got multiple instances of Shingen hitting Logan in the neck and him standing up to it but you ignore that to rant about how his legs were numb after the spine hit, yet still ignoring the fact that Wolverine was still fighting back and still on his feet afterwards AS WELL AS the fact that Wolverine was a severly weaker version, and had barely made it through the posion that he took just prior to the fight meaning his HF wasn't even working at it's effecient levels even as far back as 1982... But you see his legs go numb and all of the sudden you think that validates Wolverine getting dropped by DD with one hit.. Even though Shingen couldn't drop him with 7 and had to literally drive his body weight on top of Logans neck just to get him to fall down?.... Of course you do cause you pick and choose like a madman what you do and don't like.

Wolverine was not shocked by the sword stab, his mind control was fritzed out by the dumbell. Way to misinterpret again though. And the examples that I've given completely discredit your theory to such degrees it's not even funny. Even Masterbruce had to admit that and yet here you are insisting otherwise...

And yes, Elektra owned DD much worse. Especially given that she didn't make ONE offensive attempt to Matt AT ALL, and that she's still in love with him to a degree enough that it effects her mental stability. Where as Logan gave DD an Adamantium boot to the gut. Your assertion that a 5 year old would also incorrectly interpret those fights as Wolverine being superior just goes to show me at least at what level your at yourself. Now your reading comprehension problems being to make a bit more sense.

Finally with the Origins and Endings..... Wolverine blacks out from deprivation. He eats his own arm from being "that hungry". We've seen him go DAYS without food or sleep while on a mission blown up in conitions of extreme heats and extreme colds... But you're more inclined to argue that he was well rested and fed before his fight with Samurai much less Cap? You've GOT to be joking. 😐
And please, I would think that someone even with your lousy ass reading comprehension skills would recognize a simple generalization when they see one. Cat naps and little scraps of food wherever he might find them does not equate to a well rested well fed Logan. Hence, hadn't ate, hadn't slept.

And you've not ONE DAMN piece of proof to dictate otherwise than the fact that Wolverine travelled and changes his clothes...

Jet-lag WOULD hinder his performance alone. Have you even experienced jet lag? EVER? Do you know how it makes a body feel? Peak human, superhuman it doesn't matter. If your internal clock is down the shitter so is your sleep cycle. To laugh at that is just ignorance on your part to a degree I can't even begin to imagine.

You can pretend that Wolverine was at 100% all you like, you can't prove it. And all the evidence that exists points to the contrary... But it's not like Cyber crushed his arms right? 🙄

You're a generally more intelligent opponent in any Wolverine debate than most, but your skills in reading and inductive/dedcutive reasoning are poor as shit... If I had my choice between "Wolverine goggles" and 5 year old reading capabilities I'd go with the goggles.. but hey, you know better. 😉

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Heres some more double standards.

Here you are stating that its PIS for Mas to hurt or stun Professor Hulk or Savage Hulk

but in another discussion.

Its also hypocritical to argue that Wolverine can KO Roughouse with his barehands and then argue that MAs cant hurt or stun Hulk.

Roughouse may not be as tough as Hulk but he can probably take damage from things that are much more powerful than Wolverine fists.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
So now you're arguing that Wolverine could never be brought to his knees for a few seconds by a single precise shot by a competent martial artist that rivals him in skill? I don't discount that Wolverine has taken massive amounts of damage. I don't discount that Wolverine has even been able to shrug off precise damage designed to breifly incapacitate. But these three concepts are not mutually exclusive of each other. You want to engage in reductionist nonsense that since Wolverine has taken massive damage and sometimes shrugged off precise damage by competent martial artists that ANY instance where Wolverine is briefly incapacitated by precise damage is PIS. What kind of simplistic, self-serving logic is this? It's utter crap. In the damn examples that you yourself show, by the very same writers in the very same stories, Wolverine has proven prone to brief incapacitation from precise damage.

Shingen couldn't stop Wolverine when he nailed him with several nerve strikes to his neck... but he completely numbed Wolverine's feeling in his legs with a single strike to the spine. Wolverine takes massive damage from his fight with the X-Men without ever missing a beat, but a single inadvertent sword stab through the heart actually briefly shocks his system enough to bring his personality back in Murdock's apartment. These occurrences are not SPvFL PIS. Wolverine has consistently been depicted as being prone to brief incapacitation from precise damage. Your very own evidence proves this. Daredevil nerve striking Wolverine and stopping him for a few seconds could never happen? PHAIL.
So... between these two fights, Elektra who doesn't want to fight DD embarasses Daredevil worse than Wolverine who doesn't want to fight DD here:

Dood! You could ask a five year old who does better and they'd tell you Wolverine! W. T. F. And Elektra was calm? Those exclamation points and cut-off sentences towards the end certainly don't look calm. But then again, what's the point of asserting that Elektra was calm about it in the first place? So was Wolverine! Are you even reading the same scans as us? Daredevil turned in mid-fight to scream at Milla to run. And he got four hits on Elektra who ended up with a bloody face for her trouble. Wolverine got kicked once by DD and stuffed him in three panels. How is Elektra embarassing Matt worse? Seriously. When a point turns against Wolverine, you just go nuts, man. Cap has NEVER embarassed Matt. Ever. Your continued insistence does nothing to change that fact. Take off the Wolvie-goggles for just one second and look at those scans again. Now tell everyone in all serious honesty, that Elektra did better than Wolverine. Maybe once you take your Wolvie-goggles off you'll recognize that nobody has embarassed Daredevil like in that Typhoid Mary scene ever. And that is inconsistent. So by your standards, we throw it out, right? Oh no. You will continue to use it to serve your own purposes because you engage in double-standards. PHAIL.
WTH are you talking about? You never even proved in the first place that Wolverine was starving himself or depriving himself of sleep before going after Silver Samurai! I'm not proving a damn negative! You just assumed that in the three weeks of hiding before confronting Silver Samurai, Wolverine didn't eat or sleep at all? Where the hell do you get off assuming all this crap? Single serving snacks? Jetlag? GAWD.
OH BULLCRAP!!!!!

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Jinzin, four words for you:

OneDumbG0, please be calm. I don't want this to happen again. Thanks.

Originally posted by jinzin
Wolverine was not shocked by the sword stab, his mind control was fritzed out by the dumbell. Way to misinterpret again though. And the examples that I've given completely discredit your theory to such degrees it's not even funny. Even Masterbruce had to admit that and yet here you are insisting otherwise...

Originally posted by jinzin
And yes, Elektra owned DD much worse. Especially given that she didn't make ONE offensive attempt to Matt AT ALL, and that she's still in love with him to a degree enough that it effects her mental stability. Where as Logan gave DD an Adamantium boot to the gut. Your assertion that a 5 year old would also incorrectly interpret those fights as Wolverine being superior just goes to show me at least at what level your at yourself. Now your reading comprehension problems being to make a bit more sense.

Originally posted by jinzin
Finally with the Origins and Endings..... Wolverine blacks out from deprivation. He eats his own arm from being "that hungry". We've seen him go DAYS without food or sleep while on a mission blown up in conitions of extreme heats and extreme colds... But you're more inclined to argue that he was well rested and fed before his fight with Samurai much less Cap? You've GOT to be joking. 😐
And please, I would think that someone even with your lousy ass reading comprehension skills would recognize a simple generalization when they see one. Cat naps and little scraps of food wherever he might find them does not equate to a well rested well fed Logan. Hence, hadn't ate, hadn't slept.

YOU HAVE NO PROOF THAT WOLVERINE NEVER ATE A SINGLE BITE OR NEVER SLEPT A SINGLE WINK BEFORE JAPAN OR AFTER CANADA.

Not only that, you chased your own logic and tangled yourself up in your delusions SO MUCH... that you actually posted this:

Originally posted by jinzin
And what's there to laugh at about jet lag? Wolverine went back and forth across timezones about 3 times back and forth... There's no reason to say he wouldn't have been effected by that...

Jinzin, your basic tirade against DD boils down to this: "Wolverine's been shown to overcome very similar situations a majority of the time and not get "embarassed to such a degree." Therefore it was an abberration that runs counter to consistency and must be discarded as PIS." First. Wrong... WRONG... WRONG! A precise strike of localized damage has been shown to temporarily incapacitate Wolverine MANY times. Therefore, every single such instance must be PIS, right? No. You obviously don't believe that. But you're skating awfully close when you hint that neither DD, nor Gorgon could do it. Which is pathetic when you consider that Deadpool, Cap, Elektra, Gorgon, Shingen, Daredevil, Ord, Maximus Lobo, Spiderwoman, Wild Child, Daken, Punisher, Sabretooth, and Silver Samurai ALL have at least one feat to their name of using localized and precise damage to bring Wolverine to his knees, paralyze him or temporarily incapacitate him. And Daredevil is near the top in fighting skill and use of pressure points in that list. Just because you consider DD doing it to be the most personally embarassing, doesn't mean diddly-squat. It doesn't turn IDLI, IDH into PIS.

But if you for one second, put aside your utter ignorance of the many other times Wolverine's been briefly brought down by precise and localized damage... you know what makes your otherwise seemingly reasonable position a farce? You turn right around and post a respect thread of Wolverine and happily post these scans of Wolverine utterly embarassing Sabretooth, with: 1) a single stab; 2) two slashes and a heart stab; 3) uppercut and heart stab. This is an opponent with a comparable healing factor and long career of taking it to Wolverine. An opponent you yourself admitted would be Wolverine's superior in a fight. And you have the gall to sit there and lecture ME about using supposed low showings as proof? *sniff* *sniff* What is that I smell? Oh... it's just more of the same ole self-serving double standard bs:

Double-standard much? It's ok for Wolverine to benefit from, by your logic, PIS-y moments, but not suffer from them? ........ Apparently, Ari can't make another appearance today. That was for having the ballz to lie and try to deny something you said several times. This time, I'll be nicer and just use this to encapsulate your myths and double standards:

Originally posted by jinzin

And yes, Elektra owned DD much worse. Especially given that she didn't make ONE offensive attempt to Matt AT ALL, and that she's still in love with him to a degree enough that it effects her mental stability. Where as Logan gave DD an Adamantium boot to the gut. Your assertion that a 5 year old would also incorrectly interpret those fights as Wolverine being superior just goes to show me at least at what level your at yourself. Now your reading comprehension problems being to make a bit more sense.

Oh......my........God. 😐 doh

Uuuuuuuuuuuh! Impossible!

Ari was right, it's still DD for a majority.

And it is ok if Wolverine doesn't win one forum battle. It's not the same as saying he CANT win, he CAN..it's just some people like Ari and myself think he won't.

Daredevil for d win.

Originally posted by Juk3n
Ari was right, it's still DD for a majority.

And it is ok if Wolverine doesn't win one forum battle. It's not the same as saying he CANT win, he CAN..it's just some people like Ari and myself think he won't.

Agreed. Logan can win but in the long run under this scenario is should be the minority. The circumstances play to much in DD's favor with Logan's healing factor removed.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Agreed. Logan can win but in the long run under this scenario is should be the minority. The circumstances play to much in DD's favor with Logan's healing factor removed.

Don't forget though that Wolverine actually has time to train and get used to not having a HF, which will therefore make him less wreckless and a more calculated opponent. It didn't specify how much time that was so that could be a month even.

I do think that Wolverine has more training and experience so I would make it a 5/10.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
What makes you so smugly confident that it was the dumbell shot? And while we're on this note, that just makes Wolverine look even worse! A dumbbell shot to an adamantium skull vs. a sword stuck in your heart? You think the former is worse then the latter?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
eerGetting smacked around four times and ending up with a bloody face vs. getting kicked from behind and never being touched again. Yeah. Wow.

How about an Ex-lover who's mental stability is still effected by the sight of the man's fighting style nevermind the man himself vs. a grumpy old guy who generally doesn't want to hurt other heroes but doesn't mind getting his hands dirty either.

How about an MA who didn't throw one offensive move at Matt after he bagan his attack before she owned him vs. getting an Adamantium boot to the grill (not the stomach as I originally thought) immediately after his first attack (yes having to worry about attacks coming your way effects fighting performance, yes getting kicked in the face enough to stagger you back effects performance).

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Your fake veneer of bravado does nothing but confirm that you just can't concede a single damn thing.

Oh that's rich! Coming from you?!
PUH-LEASE!

You asked me to post proof that Wolverine got hit with a nuke, I did... nothin.

You asked proof that Wolverine got his forearms crushed by Cyber, I did.... you argued they didn't get crushed.

You asked me to prove that Wolverine took nerve strikes to the neck unhindered, I did... you ignored that for the fact that he was affected by a strike to the back.. then ignored that THAT didn't put him down or stop him from fighting either.

You posted two shitacular examples of Wolverine being hurt by DD and Gorgon, I posted 26 examples to the contrary and you're still arguing that DD putting Logan down with one shot is a legitimate representation of Wolverine's character.

You asked for proof that Ennis was bias against superheroes, Cresh posted proof that he'll take the piss with them and you're still arguing that had nothing to do with how Wolverine got treated in that instance.

You tried to use Tieri's Punisher fight as some red herring to fake putting me into a double standard, I posted legitimate reasoning for why it actually made Punisher look decent against Tieri's Wolverine, and you ignored that to keep repeating yourself over and over.

You're ignoring more arguments then you're refutting.
Everything you've accused me of here you're guilty of yourself...

You project like crazy,
Me-"Hey pot!"
You-"**** OFF KETTLE!"

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Even something as simple as Wolverine doing better than Elektra between those two skirmishes.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Unbelievable. Lots of people use double standards because they don't want to lose an argument. And sometimes they can't help it if they have a personal vestment. But this farcical intransigency you're wallowing in is just painful to watch.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I don't care if we've seen him go for days without food or sleep when he's trekking across wilderness and deserts in completely different adventures! There's no god damn civilization, of course it makes sense in those stories! WTF does that have to do with 'Origins & Endings?!'

it has plenty to do with Origins and Endings since it expands for certain a part of Logan's character that we already know about. Of course since your inductive/detuctive reasoning is so poor I don't expect you to figure this out for yourself whether it's obvious or not.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
YOU HAVE NO PROOF THAT WOLVERINE NEVER ATE A SINGLE BITE OR NEVER SLEPT A SINGLE WINK BEFORE JAPAN OR AFTER CANADA.

Keep telling yourself that chief.

There's plenty of proof but I suppose it doesn't exist as long as you keep ignoring it right? 😉

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Not only that, you chased your own logic and tangled yourself up in your delusions SO MUCH... that you actually posted this:
Do you have any comprehension of what your inane and illogical ideas are doing to your conception of Wolverine?! Your utter inability to concede a god damn thing about your stupid myth forces you to conclude and confirm that: 1) Wolverine's healing factor is taxed by jet lag; and 2) he chooses to starve and keep awake for four weeks even though he has ample oppurtunity to do both! DOOD. Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds and how retarded that makes Wolverine look?! Are you even comprehending that you're destroying the very character you're so very desperate to bolster?! I know people can be their own worst enemies, but JEBUS!

1.) Wow, you really suck at logic and reasoning. How did you conclude that jet lag had anything to do with healing factor when every reference I've made to it has to do with his sleep cycle? 🤨
IT HAS TO DO WITH SLEEPING... I know you compared yourself to a 5 year old, but I don't know if I can make it simpler than that. 😬

2.) It doesn't matter if it was for weeks or for 4 days, and there's really not enough evidence to say how long it was, though we know it had to have been longer than 3 days at the very least, he did it long enough to affect him after the Silver Samurai fight to a massive degree.
It may make Wolverine look dumb in your opinion, it makes Wolverine look a bit terrifying in mine.
The fact that once he puts his blinders on, his discipline and focus are so single mindedly driven that he will not stop for anything or anyone until he's done with his mission even if it means foregoing his own needs he becomes a practical juggernaught, almost reminescent of Jason Vorees, or the Terminator. Get Mystique did an excellent job of showing this. "Above all else he cannot be stopped."

And, self neglect has been a major part of Wolverine's character all his life.
At a young age, he could have clobbered Smitty in order to keep Rose stuck in town, yet he simply took a dive instead so Smitty and her could take off on their own even though he loved her.
When Rose died, he neglected the comfort of a friend to mourn her death with, and his own humanity as he took off to the wilderness.
He neglected his deepest desires when Horde tried to pursuade him into giving up his objective for everything he wanted.
Immediately after that he gave up cosmic power.
Origins even communicates that every time Wolverine starts to find something worth wanting it's taken away from him.

It's only reasonable to assert that once he has a mission he'd endure until the mission was over. It's what martial artists do, endure pain, endure punishment, and neglect comforts in order to reach their goal. Wolverine's very goal oriented. And it doesn't help your argument that Wolverine was pressed against time the moment he popped back on the radar and the moment that governments world wide found out he regained all his memories.

Originally posted by jinzin

It may make Wolverine look dumb in your opinion, it makes Wolverine look a bit terrifying in mine.

Originally posted by Starscream M
in that one sentence, you summed up the utter ridiculousness of your arguments.

😕 WOW... 😐

What Jinzin said!!!

Originally posted by jinzin
So you wouldn't be threatened by a man who shuts down everything he needs and or wants until he kills you?

😕 WOW... 😐

Originally posted by Starscream M
uh...I'd be much more scared of a man who is well fed and energized than a man who's dumb enough to starve himself and deprive himself of sleep...but that's just little ol' me

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Jinzin, your basic tirade against DD boils down to this: "Wolverine's been shown to overcome very similar situations a majority of the time and not get "embarassed to such a degree." Therefore it was an abberration that runs counter to consistency and must be discarded as PIS." First. Wrong... WRONG... WRONG! A precise strike of localized damage has been shown to temporarily incapacitate Wolverine MANY times.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Therefore, every single such instance must be PIS, right? No. You obviously don't believe that. But you're skating awfully close when you hint that neither DD, nor Gorgon could do it.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Which is pathetic when you consider that Deadpool,

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Cap,

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Elektra,

Originally posted by jinzin

Elektra's P-point really doesn't even matter seeing how she had to get it from behind while he was fighting other people and only worked as long as she applied pressure. What happened when she let go? "Arms are doing what they're told again"....

Originally posted by jinzin
Once again, after her sai were removed, Wolverine was immediately up and swinging. He was hamburger meat on life support 5 minutes before he and Elektra kicked off and he was up IMMEDIATELY.... He wasn't on the ground doubled over in pain holding his shoulders/back. DD didn't apply pressure and keep applying pressure. He nailed Wolverine with a single strike. Wolverine's HF was taxed out in his fight with Elektra and STILL got up fighting right after Elektra let go of the P-points. That right there discredits the Ennis debacle by itself and it's YOUR example...

Originally posted by jinzin
Gorgon,

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Shingen,

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Daredevil,

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Ord,

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Maximus Lobo,

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Spiderwoman,

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Wild Child,

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Daken,

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Punisher,

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Sabretooth,

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and Silver Samurai ALL have at least one feat to their name of using localized and precise damage to bring Wolverine to his knees, paralyze him or temporarily incapacitate him.

So out of that whole list you've got 3 examples not completely inaccurate or circumstantial... Daken (multiple blows), Punisher (Ennis), Daredevil (Ennis)..... yeah... pathetic.