Wolverine vs. Daredevil - H2H

Started by srankmissingnin24 pages
Originally posted by Never
Do they have requisite medical facilities in the country you were lobotomized in?

You could have just said "No, I'm using the library computer." 😛

And the practice of giving lobotomies was discontinued - what - thirty years ago? You might want to update your insults.

Originally posted by Never
Do explain his lackluster showing against that martial arts heavyweight, Silver Samurai?

Sarcasm.. awesome...

Silver Samurai is one of the most skilled martial artists on Marvel Earth. He has two shotted Spider-man before, and even in his first appearance he had DD on the run for the entirety of their exchange. Kenuichio stomped Baymax (a cyborg brick with vast superhuman strength who was programed with every martial art Hiro could find) into the ground with his martial arts abilities. Silver Samurai IS a martial art heavyweight.

... and Wolverine doesn't have any lack luster performances against Kenuichio; in fact he has soundly embarrassed him almost every time they've fought. You have anything else?

Originally posted by Never
Ever heard of ComiXforums? Marvel and DC writers pass through there. That's where we asked Dan Jurgens about Superman vs Thor (those on KMC were TRYING to tell me Superman was more powerful. WRONG).

Unless, of course, you think you know more than the writers who admit that occasionally A writer will take creative liberty? Like when they wanted Wolverine to be equal in strength to Spiderman?

Tsk

To wit, Dan Jurgens:

Posted by Dan Jurgens on Monday, February 23 2004 at 20:11:06 GMT

After numerous e-mails from friends pointing to a minor firestorm of sorts regarding my comments relating to the power levels of Thor and Superman, I thought some clarity might help.

Yes, in the exchange, I was asked if Superman was a million times more powerful than Thor. I said yes.

I also chuckled as I said it, a very important part of the response that did not translate into print. I don't blame Rich as he gave me the chance to edit the interview. Quite frankly, it never occurred to me that anyone would seriously think that statement was an accurate representation of my belief on the matter.

So... we screwed up.

Superman is NOT a million times more powerful than Thor. In my book, he is probably not even twice as powerful as Thor. Superman has more expansive powers than Thor, IMO, thanks to his vision powers, etc.

I also think they fight quite differently. Thor tends to be more of a brawny reactionary type, while Superman probably fights with a more strategic approach. Thor is more likely to cut loose with the full measure of his powers as he does not have the "dampers" on that power that Superman was raised with. Both qualities can be an advantage or disadvantage, depending on the circumstances.

If they fought ten times, neither would win all ten, or even seven, eight or nine battles, for that matter. Not anymore than the Miami Dolphins would beat the Jets ten games out of ten.

I apologize for any confusion.

DJ"

And what do you know. I ALWAYS said Superman doesn't just speedblitz people, he THINKS it through first. And a writer agreed? Who would have thunk it.

But I digress...

I'm not really sure what this has do with anything...

On KMC you have fans that have read every single comic book appearance a character has ever had. Do these super-fans know more about the character than a writer? Yes. It's not even up for debate. A writer doesn't need to have read everything a character has ever done to write efficiently... in fact the history of a character isn't nearly as important as the writer's vision of said character. That's why writers pick and choose which pieces of a character's history they want to acknowledge.

Plus I'm sure you can find a writer that has the exact opposite opinion. Writers - being human - all have different views on what a character is capable of.

...

and Thor > Superman

its true, that superman thinks before blitzing... he thinks 'i'm going to blitz this guy' and then he blitzes them...

it still happens a hell of alot faster than most people can react to...

also, jurgens is one of the foremost post crisis superman writers... he was referencing his superman, i'd imagine...

and superman > thor... 😛

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Silver Samurai is one of the most skilled martial artists on Marvel Earth. He has two shotted Spider-man before, and even in his first appearance he had DD on the run for the entirety of their exchange.

Actually, when he first encountered DD, Matt was up for a long period of tire without any sleep. He was fatigued and couldnt do his 100%, however SS was still struggling against him. In the 2nd encounter, DD was trying to rescue, so after his stun on SS, he continued with the attempted rescue. SS was hardly showing his martial arts skills when he encountered DD.

Beheading was outdated how long? Yet those in Iraq still use it as a very effective terrorism technique.

Insert quarter, try again.

Silver Samurai is a flat out joke. Is Spiderman a martial artist? No. Show me when Samurai 2 shots Karnak, Black Panther, Elektra. It will never happen.

Is Daredevil a martial artist non pareil? NO. He combines martial arts with other techniques which makes his fighting style formidable. Sorry, dropping those two names in NO way substantiates your claim.

Guarantee you that YOU have not read every comic that Wolverine has appeared in. To suggest that fans know more about a character than a writer is laughable at best - and being cognizant of appearances, feats (actual or exaggerated), et cetera does not constitute character knowledge per se.

Just like Superman speed blitzed Thor. Right Raul? LoL.

Thanks for the assist jrod. Amazing how people forget to add these little tidbits that clarify things - except when it would undermine their argument, of course.

Originally posted by Never
Just like Superman speed blitzed Thor. Right Raul? LoL.

...what?

Originally posted by Creshosk
So you see nothing wrong with DD putting wolverine down, where being incinerated and punched by the hulk failed?

And you have the nerve to accuse other's of bias [b]Daredevil1? [/B]

...liking a character doesnt make them biased, darecevil1 hasnt shown himself to have a bias either, he seems very knowledgeable

Originally posted by Raoul
its true, that superman thinks before blitzing... he thinks 'i'm going to blitz this guy' and then he blitzes them...

[sarcasm] Just like, in JLA vs Avengers, SUPERMAN SPEEDBLITZED THOR, RIGHT RAOUL? [/sarcasm]

Originally posted by Creshosk
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If wolverine was in control at the time he would have killed the hand and not attacked DD.
...by control Imean not fighting back against the other voice

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
...liking a character doesnt make them biased, darecevil1 hasnt shown himself to have a bias either, he seems very knowledgeable
😆

Originally posted by Never
[sarcasm] Just like, in JLA vs Avengers, SUPERMAN SPEEDBLITZED THOR, RIGHT RAOUL? [/sarcasm]

so the one time he doesnt blitz another hero means what, exactly, when held up against all his other blitzing feats?

Originally posted by Never
And let's examine this further. One of the best on the planet? I'll let you qualify that statement first by saying Top 5, Top 3...whatever.

Top three

Wolverine, Cap, Elektra: All pretty much equal

This is of course ignoring ubre martial artists who's skill is border line superhuman like the Mandarin, Temugin, Stick and Ogun.

Originally posted by Never
Batroc, Black Widow, Daredevil, Iron Fist, Shang Chi, Elektra, Bullseye, Stick, Stone, Claw, Star, Ogun, Black Panther, Lady Deathstrike, KARNAK, Gamora (nope, she's not on the planet. seeing if people are playing attention), Blade, Carmilla Black, Captain America...

... that's not a very good list.

Batroc, Black Widow, Blade and the chick Scorpion? Seriously?

Silver Samurai is a better martial artist than most on the list. Kitty Pride is better than the four listed above. What about Deadpool? Cat isn't on the list and neither is Davos? What about Mr. X? What about Taskmaster? Killmonger? Red Lotus? Viper? Yuriko? Shigen? The Mandarin? Temugin? X-23? Zaran? The Foreigner?

Karnak lives on the moon. Gamora travels the galaxy.

Originally posted by Never
Off of the TOP, he's NOT better than Karnak, Black Panther, Shang Chi, Elektra, Iron Fist, Stick. Strictly martial arts abilities. Not necessarily in Hand to Hand, because if so, you drop in names like Black Widow, Captain America, and Daredevil.

He's better than everyone you listed with the exception of Stick and Elektra (who is more or less = Wolverine).

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Top three

Wolverine, Cap, Elektra: All pretty much equal

Logan has not really demonstrated fighting skills above Daredevil or current Iron Fist.

Originally posted by Raoul
so the one time he doesnt blitz another hero means what, exactly, when held up against all his other blitzing feats?
Doesn't matter... Superman beats Wonder Woman beats Surtur with the Twilight Sword beats Thor... peaches

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Doesn't matter... Superman beats Wonder Woman beats Surtur with the Twilight Sword beats Thor... peaches

😂

Holey smokes! xmarks!

Jiminy jillickers! jrod!

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Doesn't matter... Superman beats Wonder Woman beats Surtur with the Twilight Sword beats Thor... peaches

I agree, except him beating thor whos overrall more powerful then him by quite a bit.

Originally posted by Raoul
so the one time he doesnt blitz another hero means what, exactly, when held up against all his other blitzing feats?

Did he blitz The Shaggy Man in either of the um...what, 4-5 fights in JLA?

Did he blitz Asmodel? Did he blitz Magog? Did he blitz Justice League Alpha? Did he blitz Doomsday? Did he blitz the White Martians? Did he blitz General Eiling? The hard light holograms that Dr. Mirror cranked out?

(hint: each answer begins with a "N"😉

To the other poster:

Apparently you missed the words "let's stop there." I got tired of typing and that list was sufficient, considering Wolverine isn't even top 5 in THAT list.

Karnak is Marvel Earth. He's from Attilan. Recently got shifted to the moon, but he's FROM Attilan in the North Atlantic.

Clearly you did not see that parenthetical digression with respect to Gamora.

He's not top 3. Wolverine is not equal to Elektra considering the times she completely utterly dominated him. Cap in H2H would easily stymie Wolverine. Comic book proof is against you.

There is no way under Rosie O'Donnels greasy chesticles that Cap is EQUAL to Stick in martial arts. That comment alone invalidates your entire argument. That's flat out hilarious.

Agree to disagree.

Originally posted by Starscream M
Logan has not really demonstrated fighting skills above Daredevil or current Iron Fist.

Hes demonstrated it plenty of times when he beat captain america and went fist 2 fist with him. When he stalemated or hung with elektra, beat ogun, silver samurai, had bp dead to rights. He has faced the best and could have killed them.

Originally posted by carver9
Hes demonstrated it plenty of times when he beat captain america and went fist 2 fist with him. When he stalemated or hung with elektra, beat ogun, silver samurai, had bp dead to rights. He has faced the best and could have killed them.
logan beating cap hardly demonstrates he is a superior fighter

logan has adamantium skeleton and CRAZY healing factor, things that people more skilled can't really overcome