Wolverine vs. Daredevil - H2H

Originally posted by Never
Did he blitz The Shaggy Man in either of the um...what, 4-5 fights in JLA?

Did he blitz Asmodel? Did he blitz Magog? Did he blitz Justice League Alpha? Did he blitz Doomsday? Did he blitz the White Martians? Did he blitz General Eiling?

(hint: each answer begins with a "N"😉

he has actually blitzed doomsday. and eiling (both he and wonder woman did). when did he fight magog? kingdom come doesnt count...

wasnt he superman blue fighting asmodel?

he has blitzed the elite. he has blitzed bizarro.

blitz doesnt always have to imply a ko.

Originally posted by Starscream M
logan beating cap hardly demonstrates he is a superior fighter

logan has adamantium skeleton and CRAZY healing factor, things that people more skilled can't really overcome

Thats not how he beat cap, every lick that cap landed wolverine land and end up kicking a blood clot in his leg. If cap was the better fighter he would dominate wolverine which has never happened on panel. Unless you think that if I had a healing factor I could dominate bruce lee in a fight. I would still get my ass kicked but in the end I would just last longer.

Originally posted by Never
Beheading was outdated how long? Yet those in Iraq still use it as a very effective terrorism technique.

And the relevance that has in Canada?

Originally posted by Never
Silver Samurai is a flat out joke. Is Spiderman a martial artist? No. Show me when Samurai 2 shots Karnak, Black Panther, Elektra. It will never happen.

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Why is Silver Samurai a joke? Because he is a Wolverine rogue and you are trying to discerdit Wolverine. You have no credibility.

Silver Samurai is an amazing martial artist. He isn't on the same level as Cap, Elektra and Logan but he isn't far behind. Is he going to two shot Elektra? No. She is faster and more skilled than he is and is a telepath. Could he two shot BP? Maybe. Karnak? Well... his lost to BP twice now, so maybe.

Originally posted by Never
Is Daredevil a martial artist non pareil? NO. He combines martial arts with other techniques which makes his fighting style formidable. Sorry, dropping those two names in NO way substantiates your claim.

Like what? Boxing? Because that is a martial art...

What two names... maybe you should learn to quote so I know what you are talking about?

Originally posted by Never
Guarantee you that YOU have not read every comic that Wolverine has appeared in. To suggest that fans know more about a character than a writer is laughable at best - and being cognizant of appearances, feats (actual or exaggerated), et cetera does not constitute character knowledge per se.

I can tell you off the top of my head all the Wolverine appearances I haven't read. Marvel Shadows and Light #3, the Charleston Chew promotional comics and the Four Issue mini from a few years ago when Iron-man gave Wolverine, Spider-man, Hulk and Ghost Rider giant robot armor. That's it.

Why is it laughable to say that fans know more than the writers do? Its true. Does being a baseball player mean you know more about baseball than a fanatical baseball fan? No. Do you think DC says "Hey you need to read every Superman issue before you can write a story about him," because they don't.

Originally posted by Never
Just like Superman speed blitzed Thor. Right Raul? LoL.

Thanks for the assist jrod. Amazing how people forget to add these little tidbits that clarify things - except when it would undermine their argument, of course.

I don't even know what you are talking about...

l2quote?

Originally posted by Raoul
he has actually blitzed doomsday. and eiling (both he and wonder woman did). when did he fight magog? kingdom come doesnt count...

wasnt he superman blue fighting asmodel?

he has blitzed the elite. he has blitzed bizarro.

blitz doesnt always have to imply a ko.

I agree with this post. he does have the ability to blitz and can get the 1st lick off of a lot of people. The thing that is hard to believe is that when people say that he wont get touched in a fight when slower beings has done so. In a real fight between him and thor, superman would get a lick and thor will come back with one. In fantasy land superman would get a million punches before thor blinks his eye but we all know that this has never in superman entire comic history has happened. 🙁

Originally posted by Starscream M
Logan has not really demonstrated fighting skills above Daredevil or current Iron Fist.

The only fight between Wolverine and Daredevil where both where at 100% had Daredevil in a full nelson in three panels. Daredevil or Ironfist ever done that to a top tier MA that blindsided them? No? They ever done that to a top tier MA period? No? Wolverine downed Shang-Chi in three panels. Have Daredevil or Ironfist ever done that to a top tier MA? No? Oh well.

Originally posted by carver9
I agree with this post. he does have the ability to blitz and can get the 1st lick off of a lot of people. The thing that is hard to believe is that when people say that he wont get touched in a fight when slower beings has done so. In a real fight between him and thor, superman would get a lick and thor will come back with one. In fantasy land superman would get a million punches before thor blinks his eye but we all know that this has never in superman entire comic history has happened. 🙁

there are reasons why it doesnt happen... though a 'million' is a bit extreme... anyways, i want to get back on topic, i was just trying to right a wrong...

Originally posted by Starscream M
logan beating cap hardly demonstrates he is a superior fighter

logan has adamantium skeleton and CRAZY healing factor, things that people more skilled can't really overcome

He was also beaten to hell before the fight even started. His healing factor was in the toilet. He was missing part of his soul. And still Cap need a plot device to end the fight... and the move Wolverine landed on Cap before the fight ended still put him down (that was skill by the way) and was serious enough that Cap need medical attention.

Originally posted by carver9
Thats not how he beat cap, every lick that cap landed wolverine land and end up kicking a blood clot in his leg. If cap was the better fighter he would dominate wolverine which has never happened on panel. Unless you think that if I had a healing factor I could dominate bruce lee in a fight. I would still get my ass kicked but in the end I would just last longer.

if bruce lee fought chuck norris ( assuming bruce lee is somewhat better but not a whole lot better) and chuck had a super healing factor...guess what? bruce lee is gonna get his ass kicked

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The only fight between Wolverine and Daredevil where both where at 100% had Daredevil in a full nelson in three panels. Daredevil or Ironfist ever done that to a top tier MA that blindsided them? No? They ever done that to a top tier MA period? No? Wolverine downed Shang-Chi in three panels. Have Daredevil or Ironfist ever done that to a top tier MA? No? Oh well.

also DD has beaten logan with skills...ie chop to the throat nerves.

You give DD adamantium skeleton and HF and remove that from logan, you think logan can get any wins?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Why is it laughable to say that fans know more than the writers do? Its true. Does being a baseball player mean you know more about baseball than a fanatical baseball fan? No. Do you think DC says "Hey you need to read every Superman issue before you can write a story about him," because they don't.

Honestly, i agree with you 110% on that one.

Thats often why some characters are often written with some insane powerup when a writer takes over, then the powerup is completely forgot about in 2 months. I can honestly say that i know more about Iceman, Daredevil, Omega Red, basically all my favorite characters that some writer who comes along today. Power and ability wise that is. Hell, maybe even origins. Thats why so many fans would get upset about a writer say writing Iceman and doesnt display the powers that hes capable.

With that srank, i do agree.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The only fight between Wolverine and Daredevil where both where at 100% had Daredevil in a full nelson in three panels. Daredevil or Ironfist ever done that to a top tier MA that blindsided them? No? They ever done that to a top tier MA period? No? Wolverine downed Shang-Chi in three panels. Have Daredevil or Ironfist ever done that to a top tier MA? No? Oh well.

Technically, DD wasnt at 100%.

As far as DD goes, hes downed Cap in 1 panel and downed Wolvie in less than 3 panels.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Honestly, i agree with you 110% on that one.

Thats often why some characters are often written with some insane powerup when a writer takes over, then the powerup is completely forgot about in 2 months. I can honestly say that i know more about Iceman, Daredevil, Omega Red, basically all my favorite characters that some writer who comes along today. Power and ability wise that is. Hell, maybe even origins. Thats why so many fans would get upset about a writer say writing Iceman and doesnt display the powers that hes capable.

With that srank, i do agree.

the irony is that what writers (often times ill-informed and sometimes downright ignorant) put on comics then become the canon that KMCers hold so sacred

Originally posted by Never
Apparently you missed the words "let's stop there." I got tired of typing and that list was sufficient, considering Wolverine isn't even top 5 in THAT list.

Quote damn it! It's easy, even a troll like you can do it. HIT THE DAMN QUOTE OPTION!

Wolverine is easily in the top three of that list.

Originally posted by Never
Karnak is Marvel Earth. He's from Attilan. Recently got shifted to the moon, but he's FROM Attilan in the North Atlantic.

And now he lives on the moon, which isn't earth.

Who cares though, he can't even beat Black Panther, Logan would rail through him.

Originally posted by Never
Clearly you did not see that parenthetical digression with respect to Gamora.

I saw it. I though you wanted people to acknowledge she wasn't on earth...

And Wolverine beat her twice (or maybe it was the same fight from two different perspectives) during Infinity Crusade. He also beat her in Infinity War, with the help of Strong Guy and Vindicator.

Originally posted by Never
He's not top 3. Wolverine is not equal to Elektra considering the times she completely utterly dominated him. Cap in H2H would easily stymie Wolverine. Comic book proof is against you.

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When he lost all his martial art skill during his regression to animal Wolverine? Or in EotS when he was mind controlled, missing part of his soul, she took him by surprise while he was already in combat and he was being kept alive by live support moments earlier? Yeah... great examples.

Wolverine would take Cap in h2h. There is no comic proof otherwise IN FACT any evidence pointing to one being superior leans in Wolverine's favour.

Originally posted by Never
There is no way under Rosie O'Donnels greasy chesticles that Cap is EQUAL to Stick in martial arts. That comment alone invalidates your entire argument. That's flat out hilarious.

Which is why I said...

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Top three

Wolverine, Cap, Elektra: All pretty much equal

This is of course ignoring ubre martial artists who's skill is border line superhuman like the Mandarin, Temugin, Stick and Ogun.

...

😕

Originally posted by jrodslam
Honestly, i agree with you 110% on that one.

Thats often why some characters are often written with some insane powerup when a writer takes over, then the powerup is completely forgot about in 2 months. I can honestly say that i know more about Iceman, Daredevil, Omega Red, basically all my favorite characters that some writer who comes along today. Power and ability wise that is. Hell, maybe even origins. Thats why so many fans would get upset about a writer say writing Iceman and doesnt display the powers that hes capable.

With that srank, i do agree.

i know more about cyclops than brubaker, but thats neither here nor there...

srug

Originally posted by Starscream M
I agree with both of you

the irony is that what writers (often times ill-informed and sometimes downright ignorant) put on comics then become the canon that KMCers hold so sacred

Thing is, some writers dont actually read much on a character besides whats talked about and whats in a bio. Sad to say, but its true. Many times its cause of plot and many times its cause the writer just doesnt know, and many times the writer is a huge fan of the character and decides to amp him up a bit just cause hes the writer. Its the editors job to say "Woah woah woah! Hes not suppose to be doing that!" or "He cant get beaten that way because.....". But nooooo, many times that just doesnt happen.

Originally posted by Starscream M
ummm news flash to srank...shang chi isn't a top tier MA, only you think that. he's actually a 2nd tier.

No YOU think he is second tier because YOU haven't read anything he's appeared in.

Shang Chi is one of the best MA's on Marvel Earth, in pure skill and chi usage. He is above both Matt and Danny in skill... and he has flames on his running shoes!!!

Originally posted by Starscream M
also DD has beaten logan with skills...ie chop to the throat nerves.

You give DD adamantium skeleton and HF and remove that from logan, you think logan can get any wins?

While he was fighting Spider-man and DD at the same time in an Ennis book and it wasn't even in line with Wolverine's healing factor / durability portrayal with in THAT single arch let alone his other appearances.

Originally posted by Starscream M
You give DD adamantium skeleton and HF and remove that from logan, you think logan can get any wins?

None of that would have prevented Wolverine from getting him in a full nelson in MCP.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Shang Chi is one of the best MA's on Marvel Earth, in pure skill and chi usage. He is above both Matt and Danny in skill... and he has flames on his running shoes!!!

While he was fighting Spider-man and DD at the same time in an Ennis book and it wasn't even in line with Wolverine's healing factor / durability portrayal with in THAT single arch let alone his other appearances.

None of that would have prevented Wolverine from getting him in a full nelson in MCP.

Its hard to say whether Shang is above Matt and Danny in skill. They all 3 are in the same league. Hardly anything to notice a difference. Its the other things that separate them.

If we're gonna discount DD taking Wolvie down via throat chop because of writer, we may as well discredit Wolvie getting the full nelson off on DD while having his judgement impaired by typhoid.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Its hard to say whether Shang is above Matt and Danny in skill. They all 3 are in the same league. Hardly anything to notice a difference. Its the other things that separate them.

If we're gonna discount DD taking Wolvie down via throat chop because of writer, we may as well discredit Wolvie getting the full nelson off on DD while having his judgement impaired by typhoid.

True. I've just gotten used to saying Shang > Dany and Matt because of all the people saying "Shang Chi sucks," which pisses me off so I hype him a bit to make my point.

I discredit the chop because the same writer in the same story arch had Wolverine get 50% of his body incinerated and the Hulk punch Wolverine into a different state without Logan getting koed.

Originally posted by Raoul
there are reasons why it doesnt happen... though a 'million' is a bit extreme... anyways, i want to get back on topic, i was just trying to right a wrong...

My bad, I just read your post and I would like to respond to it but after you answer the question that Im about to ask then I'll leave you alone about this topic. Ok, you say that theres reasons on why he dont do it, would it make the fight boring, what reasons is it because flash did it and do it on a regular basis. You cant say that superman punch harder then flash because flash punches is like getting hit by a being that can punch through a white dwarf star. Why havent superman ever pulled a feat like this if he can punch someone a thousand times per second

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/428454/Trinity03-008.jpg.html

It wasnt hard for flash to do.

'Cos it would kinda be like stealing Flash's shtick. I'm sure Superman could block bullets with his wrists too, but I don't think Wonder Woman would be happy about it.