Intelligence & cunning competition between Thanos and Darkseid

Originally posted by Allankles
Whatever. DS could easily have had the IG gauntlet if he was in Marvel, problem is, getting ultimate power isn't as simple in DC (you don't have dullards like the Elders prancing around with infinity gems).

And this is so irrelevant to the point I argued. We were talking about pantheons, and DS has attacked (and siphoned the power of)countless pantheons including Asgard. Thanos attacking Asgard once pales in comparison to that.

Which pantheons? What impressive feats did they have? Any scans?

Originally posted by Allankles
Prestige wise yes, but Darkseid is a skyfather with the power of several pantheons at his disposal. The thing is he destroyed other pantheons and left Asgard last because of its power. So it does appear that Asgard is sought of afforded the same status power wise.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Asgard is on a whole other level than both new genesis and apokolips combined. Think about it. Odin,Thor,Destroyer armor,Thor Girl,Loki,Enchantress,Balder,Surtur,etc.

Way to go throwing Surtur in there and Destroyer armor. That's like me saying Yuga Khan, S'Ivaa and Promethean giants are part of Apokolips.

Anyway a part from the OE he has plenty of New Gods with power and devices to fight top tiers. Apokolips has people like Brimstone, Stayne, Darkseid's entire elite and billions of parademons which Darkseid can resurrect at will.

Beyond those Darkseid can create constructs with his own power to at least bring Galactus to his knees. He can also create devices that can wipe out all matter within a radius of millions of light years.

Create devices to combat and counter Imperiex energies. He also has knowledge of the Anti-Life equation, he could make Thor smash Mjlonir against his own mug if he wanted to. He can hurt Multi versal entities like the Anti-Monitor, even by channeling his power through other people.

Asgard is powerful (even in DC) but DS has accumulated so much power and resources that he'd bring Asgard down.

EDIT: Respect Darkseid, he's a cut above Thanos.

Originally posted by Allankles
Beyond those Darkseid can create constructs with his own power to at least bring Galactus to his knees.

Besides, Galactus was at the weakest he's ever been, and still stomped all over Darkseid.

Originally posted by Red Hulk
Ya, and Surfer can basically kill Orion in a few blasts.

Surfer defeated Orion, there's a difference. DS didn't beat Galactus he brought him to his knees, he had him feeling the power but not defeating him outright. I attribute it to the writer greatly under estimating Orion's capabilities (No Astral Harness or Astro Force).

Originally posted by Allankles
Surfer defeated Orion, there's a difference. DS didn't beat Galactus he brought him to his knees, he had him feeling the power but not defeating him outright. I attribute it to the writer greatly under estimating Orion's capabilities (No Astral Harness or Astro Force).

How can you take one, but not the other?

Oh ya, in a canon story, Thanos rocked Galactus and sent him halfway across a planet.

Originally posted by Red Hulk
In the same non-canon crossover you referenced where Darkseid managed to create some beings that knocked a severely weakened Galactus off balance, Surfer stomped all over Orion.

How can you take one, but not the other?

Oh ya, in a canon story, Thanos rocked Galactus and sent him halfway across a planet.

I can take one and not the other because they are two different characters with distinctly different abilities not getting the same treatment by the author. DS is Lord of Apokolips outside of beings on Spectre's level, anyone that comes on his turf is going to feel the power. Galactus with his specific limitations is not insusceptible to DS' power. The Anti-Monitor is more powerful than Galactus and DS hurt him.

As far as Thanos is concerned, no he didn't have Galactus reeling like DS' constructs did. All he did was strike Galactus with a concussive blast which took him off his feet. DS' constructs actually had Galactus reeling. You think I'm disregarding Thanos feat? Post it up. All he did was essentially shove Galactus, that's gravity. What DS constructs were doing on the other hand, was bringing pain.

edit: Don't misinterpret me I have no problem with Surfer getting a victory over Orion, I'm just saying (that on that encounter), the author most certainly underestimated the New god. On the Gal vs DS constructs encounter the author was pretty much stating that no one comes to Apokolips and gets away without a scratch, not if DS is there, here he showed the new god some respect.

Originally posted by Allankles
I can take one and not the other because they are two different characters with distinctly different abilities not getting the same treatment by the author. DS is Lord of Apokolips outside of beings on Spectre's level, anyone that comes on his turf is going to feel the power. Galactus with his specific limitations is not insusceptible to DS' power. The Anti-Monitor is more powerful than Galactus and DS hurt him.

As far as Thanos is concerned, no he didn't have Galactus reeling like DS' constructs did. All he did was strike Galactus with a concussive blast which took him off his feet. DS' constructs actually had Galactus reeling. You think I'm disregarding Thanos feat? Post it up. All he did was essentially shove Galactus, that's gravity. What DS constructs were doing on the other hand, was bringing pain.

edit: Don't misinterpret me I have no problem with Surfer getting a victory over Orion, I'm just saying (that on that encounter), the author most certainly underestimated the New god. On the Gal vs DS constructs encounter the author was pretty much stating that no one comes to Apokolips and gets away without a scratch, not if DS is there, here he showed the new god some respect.

He also didn't fight a severely weakened Galactus...
It's gravity? What the hell are you talking about?
Anyway, Galactus was forcibly thrown out of his own ship, was reeling when he was flying through the air, and his suit was damaged to shit. As well as his pose indicated some sort of pain. Just because we don't have descriptions doesn't mean we can't use our heads.

I'm just finding it funny how you can hold onto one thing, and disregard another in the same comic. Ya, he obviously overrated Darkseid... but Orion was written well. No different than what you're trying to say.
And if I haven't said it before, Galactus was SEVERELY WEAKENED.
As well as it not even being a canon story to begin with.

Originally posted by Red Hulk
Hmm... so I don't decide to accept Darkseid doing anything to a weakened Galactus as Surfer destroyed Orion who is around Darkseid's level. Heh... no wait, that doesn't work, because you don't like it.

Based on their histories Orion is nowhere near Darkseid level. A few instances where DS has allowed Orion to defeat him to further his goals as they concern the ALE and the Source, nothing more.

In DONG Orion is empowered by the source and afterwards he is able to fight DS in Countdown. Otherwise Orion is nowhere near DS in power.

For the purpose of consistency DS one shotted Surfer, again emphasizing where his power level is. There goes your argument.

Originally posted by Red Hulk
He also didn't fight a severely weakened Galactus...

Have you any proof he was severely weakened or are just making assumptions? He was weakened, yes but severely? This begs for proof.

Originally posted by Red Hulk
It's gravity? What the hell are you talking about?
Anyway, Galactus was forcibly thrown out of his own ship, was reeling

Show me the scans, all Thanos did was hurl Galactus with a blast of concussive force. If Galactus can't keep his feet he is going to become prey to gravity, however he was not at all reeling.

On the other hand here is DS showing. DS expends no more than a thought to create these constructs.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/DarkseidvsGalactusTheHunger-24.jpg

Then the fight begins. Galactus is reeling towards the end.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/DarkseidvsGalactusTheHunger-25.jpg

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/DarkseidvsGalactusTheHunger-26.jpg

And then Surfer had to come and save him.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/DarkseidvsGalactusTheHunger-27.jpg

Again DS clearly states he is Lord of Apokolips and on that world Galactus has met his match. Again this isn't DS=Glactus statement this is clearly pointing out that Galactus isn't insusceptible to DS' power.

Originally posted by Red Hulk
I'm just finding it funny how you can hold onto one thing, and disregard another in the same comic. Ya, he obviously overrated Darkseid... 🙄

Nothing remarkable here at all. The author doesn't treat the characters the same, therefore I'm not going to disregard them all, simply because (again) they haven't been treated the same.

Originally posted by Red Hulk
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Can you actually prove that that Anti-Monitor was more powerful than Galactus... at all? [/B]

Can I prove what do you mean? The Anti Monitor is a multi versal threat. He controlled an entire universe. He consumes entire universes rather than just devouring single planets. Galactus power is vast but the Anti Monitor's is even more so. He has conspired to change existence itself and destroy entire realities of the positive matter universes.

Allankles what would you rate darkseid intelligence level.

If Surfer destroy the constructs created by DS, doesn't that say something about how weakened Galactus was during that little encounter?

Originally posted by Allankles
Way to go throwing Surtur in there and Destroyer armor. That's like me saying Yuga Khan, S'Ivaa and Promethean giants are part of Apokolips.

Anyway a part from the OE he has plenty of New Gods with power and devices to fight top tiers. Apokolips has people like Brimstone, Stayne, Darkseid's entire elite and billions of parademons which Darkseid can resurrect at will.

Beyond those Darkseid can create constructs with his own power to at least bring Galactus to his knees. He can also create devices that can wipe out all matter within a radius of millions of light years.

Create devices to combat and counter Imperiex energies. He also has knowledge of the Anti-Life equation, he could make Thor smash Mjlonir against his own mug if he wanted to. He can hurt Multi versal entities like the Anti-Monitor, even by channeling his power through other people.

Asgard is powerful (even in DC) but DS has accumulated so much power and resources that he'd bring Asgard down.

EDIT: Respect Darkseid, he's a cut above Thanos.

Surtur is a part of asgard.

I saw apokolips fall to a brick,Doomsday. With all of apokolips parademons and resources Doomsday stomped them all.

If you really think Darkseid can bring Galactus to his knees you are sadly mistaken. Oh so if you want to use the ale then I guess I get to use the runes that Thor acquired. That sounds fair.

When did he hurt Am on his own? Asgard in marvel is much more powerful than dc's version and comparing the two is laughable.

Thanos is well beyond Darkseid who is just a top tier.

Originally posted by darthgoober
If Surfer destroy the constructs created by DS, doesn't that say something about how weakened Galactus was during that little encounter?

Originally posted by Allankles
Can I prove what do you mean? The Anti Monitor is a multi versal threat. He controlled an entire universe. He consumes entire universes rather than just devouring single planets. Galactus power is vast but the Anti Monitor's is even more so. He has conspired to change existence itself and destroy entire realities of the positive matter universes.

Originally posted by Allankles
Based on their histories Orion is nowhere near Darkseid level. A few instances where DS has allowed Orion to defeat him to further his goals as they concern the ALE and the Source, nothing more.

In DONG Orion is empowered by the source and afterwards he is able to fight DS in Countdown. Otherwise Orion is nowhere near DS in power.

For the purpose of consistency DS one shotted Surfer, again emphasizing where his power level is. There goes your argument.

I never talked about that instance... and even if Darkseid is far superior to Orion, then it still means nothing on the story as you'd still be picking and choosing what you like and dislike.

DS cheapshotted Surfer... did you even read the story?

Originally posted by Allankles
Have you any proof he was [b]severely weakened or are just making assumptions? He was weakened, yes but severely? This begs for proof.[/B]

Originally posted by Allankles
Show me the scans, all Thanos did was hurl Galactus with a blast of concussive force. If Galactus can't keep his feet he is going to become prey to gravity, however he was not at all reeling.

On the other hand here is DS showing. DS expends no more than a thought to create these constructs.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/DarkseidvsGalactusTheHunger-24.jpg

Then the fight begins. Galactus is reeling towards the end.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/DarkseidvsGalactusTheHunger-25.jpg

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/DarkseidvsGalactusTheHunger-26.jpg

And then Surfer had to come and save him.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/DarkseidvsGalactusTheHunger-27.jpg

Again DS clearly states he is Lord of Apokolips and on that world Galactus has met his match. Again this isn't DS=Glactus statement this is clearly pointing out that Galactus isn't insusceptible to DS' power.

Galactus was forcibly sent through his own ship, and across the planet. He looked completely helpless being sent through the air. And he looked hurt when he was finally still.

Again, gravity? I didn't know gravity pulled objects along the the surface of a planet... I always thought it pulled downwards...

How does two cheapshots on the weakest Galactus we've ever seen at that point account for much? And besides, you say a thought like it's a good thing, yet when Darkseid himself tries to destroy Galactus he was completely useless and casually one-shotted.

Originally posted by Allankles
Nothing remarkable here at all. The author doesn't treat the characters the same, therefore I'm not going to disregard them all, simply because (again) they haven't been treated the same.

It's pure bias at its worse.

And again, since you seem to have a massive comprehension problem, it's non canon.

Originally posted by Allankles
Can I prove what do you mean? The Anti Monitor is a multi versal threat. He controlled an entire universe. He consumes entire universes rather than just devouring single planets. Galactus power is vast but the Anti Monitor's is even more so. He has conspired to change existence itself and destroy entire realities of the positive matter universes.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Unless the contructs were weakened themselves having already fought Galactus first.

... stupid cross-overs ...

B, why you going there? awesrg

Originally posted by Mr Master
... stupid cross-overs ...

B, why you going there? awesrg

Originally posted by Red Hulk
You're lucky you're so arrogant, or I'd never have shown the scan.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/dg-19.jpg

I laughed entirely too hard at this