Originally posted by quanchi112
Odin created the destroyer armor. 😂Surtur is a part of asgard.
I saw apokolips fall to a brick,Doomsday. With all of apokolips parademons and resources Doomsday stomped them all.
If you really think Darkseid can bring Galactus to his knees you are sadly mistaken. Oh so if you want to use the ale then I guess I get to use the runes that Thor acquired. That sounds fair.
When did he hurt Am on his own? Asgard in marvel is much more powerful than dc's version and comparing the two is laughable.
Thanos is well beyond Darkseid who is just a top tier.
Dr. Doom stole Big G's power, right? DS>DD?
Originally posted by tssclsFc isnt over and really we arent discussing that Darkseid in this thread. We dont know enough about him imo.
"Darkseid has power over his planet. The reason he was able to do that in his defense was because of their location. Outside Apokolips he doesnt have the advantage of using his whole planet against anyone. Even though he had all of apokolips at his disposal he still got crushed."
Isn't it well established that the New Gods are from a different dimension?"Darkseid is still a schemer,but he still fails and so far really hasnt even achieved an objective for long."
Final Crisis comes to mind, and 7SOV, but none of that has come to fruition yet, so let's just wait."With regards to the gds feats. Here the rules. It doesnt count sport. "
Let's wait and see how Legion of Three Worlds plays out."Nice dodge. The point is Darkseid has never taken out anyone near Thanos' level before. Superman has even resisted the omega beams. Its not even full-proof against top tiers."
Ares with the "God-Wave", anyone?
"The point is Galactus' durability is much greater than darkseid's. Of course there wont be an exploding planet. Galactus's durability is well above darkseid's. Doomsday took him out in a few panels."
Low showing. You suck, Quanch!"Darkseid stole power from the Source. He amped himself up. Yuga didnt need to amp himself. Yuga is a lot more powerful than Darkseid. Its a fact."
How about the fact that DS couldn't kill Yuga because he was his father?"Darkseid didnt retain full knowledge of the ale. So,your point?"
Final Crisis invalidates this assumption. No butthole on this.
Originally posted by AllanklesWhich double standards? Please feel free to point them out.
😆 He really needs to stop debating like its about volume of characters. If only his arguments didn't reek of double standards, I'd be finding this "debate" less of a chore.
Originally posted by AllanklesSo,is this all you can resort to now? Insults.
I think you're looking like the dolt, he gave his reasons. More of your irrational bias rearing its ugly head.
Originally posted by AllanklesYes,all characters nowhere near Thanos' level. I have named other characters that he cant or hasnt depowered. So,its a moot point. He cant depower Thanos and it has no relevance to who is smart and more cunning.
Empty, empty words.I gave names of some top tiers he's depowered. Look back at the first post you quoted today. Do you have reading problems?
First time was DS just saying: "f@#k you, and get out of my planet." Second time was DS getting tackled when the lanterns accompanied by the Guardians attacked Apokolips. The second time nothing happened to DS except that he got tackled. Really.
That's neither here nor there. The tech (unknown quantity) was built by DS and he channeled it's power through Alexander. Again, this is besides my point. Not to mention he's chanelled other peoples power before like in the Imperiex crisis when he helped the heores stop Braniac.
Surfer got one shotted by DS 🙁
No,Darkseid got taken up in the air and thrown to the ground while he used his ring to cut off the omega beams. Ds was owned the second time imo.
The tech and Luthor's involvement is the point. He has neither here. So,with tech and with Luthor he can hurt the Am,but not without either of these two.
Surfer wasnt defeated. He came to his senses just like Darkseid did eventually after Galactus blasted him.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Which double standards? Please feel free to point them out.
So,is this all you can resort to now? Insults. Yes,all characters nowhere near Thanos' level. I have named other characters that he cant or hasnt depowered. So,its a moot point. He cant depower Thanos and it has no relevance to who is smart and more cunning.No,Darkseid got taken up in the air and thrown to the ground while he used his ring to cut off the omega beams. Ds was owned the second time imo.
The tech and Luthor's involvement is the point. He has neither here. So,with tech and with Luthor he can hurt the Am,but not without either of these two.
Surfer wasnt defeated. He came to his senses just like Darkseid did eventually after Galactus blasted him.
also ds cheapshoted surfer while his back was turned
Originally posted by quanchi112
Insults. Yes,all characters nowhere near Thanos' level. I have named other characters that he cant or hasnt depowered. So,its a moot point. He cant depower Thanos and it has no relevance to who is smart and more cunning.No,Darkseid got taken up in the air and thrown to the ground while he used his ring to cut off the omega beams. Ds was owned the second time imo.
The tech and Luthor's involvement is the point. He has neither here. So,with tech and with Luthor he can hurt the Am,but not without either of these two.
Thanos. Thanos. Thanos. What made you think I gave a crap bout DS vs Thanos? And even if I did I'm not foolish enough to debate such a confrontation with you. I merely stated that DS wouldn't get taken out by a planet, thats beneath him IMO.
Again Raker just tackled DS, nothing more nothing less. He put a force cage around DS face to discourage him for releasing his Omega Beams, he wasn't blocking anything. The Guardians stopped the battle between the Lanterns and Apokolips shortly after Raker tackled DS. He wasn't getting owned at all, because Raker didn't actually do anything to him besides get one tackle in.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Surfer wasnt defeated. He came to his senses just like Darkseid did eventually after Galactus blasted him.
You don't know the order of plot progression? Desaad (with DS's tech) screwed with Surfers mind but DS one shotted Surfer after that incident, and after he'd taken the blast from Galactus. Jeeze, do your research. This is getting tiring by the way, you're clearly stuck in your opinions regardless of the evidence.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Which double standards? Please feel free to point them out.
So,is this all you can resort to now?
Let me make this simple. Remember how you responded to some of the feats I presented of DS? First when I point out DS' high showing you want to say: "This isn't canon for current DS". Forgetting that it's the same character.
So I entertain you and I point out what he did with the knowledge of the SF equation in DONG and his overarching manipulation of countless heroes in Countdown and his status in Final Crisis where his prophet seems to be well above any hero even hurting the Spectre in the process.
What was your reply? "Oh the new gods are just going to be powerful in final crisis then they go back to their 'normal' levels after". I thought you wanted canon, current showings? What is it going to be? You want to tell me those aren't double standards?
I should be done here? Noh?
EDIT: Also it should be noted the writers in Final Crisis stated that we've never seen the new gods in their true manifestation. Judging by what happened when DS took out Orion it seems like this is true. Being the god of warfare Orion's death affected the heroes capabilties in battle.
Originally posted by AllanklesImo the same explosion that hurt Galactus would have killed Darkseid. Galactus being taken out by Superman or Orion is beneath him.
Thanos. Thanos. Thanos. What made you think I gave a crap bout DS vs Thanos? And even if I did I'm not foolish enough to debate such a confrontation with you. I merely stated that DS wouldn't get taken out by a planet, thats beneath him IMO.Again Raker just tackled DS, nothing more nothing less. He put a force cage around DS face to discourage him for releasing his Omega Beams, he wasn't blocking anything. The Guardians stopped the battle between the Lanterns and Apokolips shortly after Raker tackled DS. He wasn't getting owned at all, because Raker didn't actually do anything to him besides get one tackle in.
You don't know the order of plot progression? Desaad (with DS's tech) screwed with Surfers mind but DS one shotted Surfer after that incident, and after he'd taken the blast from Galactus. Jeeze, do your research. This is getting tiring by the way, you're clearly stuck in your opinions regardless of the evidence.
Let me make this simple. Remember how you responded to some of the feats I presented of DS? First when I point out DS' high showing you want to say: "This isn't canon for current DS". Forgetting that it's the same character.
So I entertain you and I point out what he did with the knowledge of the SF equation in DONG and his overarching manipulation of countless heroes in Countdown and his status in Final Crisis where his prophet seems to be well above any hero even hurting the Spectre in the process.
What was your reply? "Oh the new gods are just going to be powerful in final crisis then they go back to their 'normal' levels after". I thought you wanted canon, current showings? What is it going to be? You want to tell me those aren't double standards?
I should be done here? Noh?
EDIT: Also it should be noted the writers in Final Crisis stated that we've never seen the new gods in their true manifestation. Judging by what happened when DS took out Orion it seems like this is true. Being the god of warfare Orion's death affected the heroes capabilties in battle.
He blocked the omega beams due to his construct. If Darkseid could have used them he would have,but he couldnt. Pretty simply. Darkseid did nothing to Raker in that fight. Not one thing. He looked bad against a green lantern.
Surfer wasnt defeated. Unless Galactus oneshotted Darkseid,because you cant have it both ways. 😛
It isnt canon. I put up the rules. It doesnt count. So,talk all you want about alternate feats. We dont credit 616 Wolverine with all the feats of every other Wolverine. 😬
Yes,he manipulated many with as did Solomon,but in the end Darkseid got killed. He lost his amp and was killed by Orion. 😂
He didnt really phase the Spectre at all and was oneshotted by him actually. 🙂
We cant gauge Thanos yet because we havent seen enough of him since he has been killed just like we havent seen enough of fc Darkseid to gauge him. Its not difficult. What has he done specifically in fc? Go ahead and bring it up.
You seem to have nothing and continue to lie and exaggerate events left and right.
Ok,where has it said in a comic that the true Darkseid has never been seen? Show me a scan. You seem to be desperately looking for anything and wan t to ignore Darkseid's losses while highlighting alternate reality feats and twisting the context of many other feats.
Orion imo pales in comparison to Ares another dc god of war. Just sayin.
Originally posted by AllanklesEDIT: Also it should be noted the writers in Final Crisis stated that we've never seen the new gods in their true manifestation. Judging by what happened when DS took out Orion it seems like this is true. Being the god of warfare Orion's death affected the heroes capabilties in battle.
Originally posted by fangirl101When has this been addressed in fc?
You are correct. Due to a backwards ripple in time, the 5th world has somehow wiped away the 4th world. and the New gods have never been seen in true form by anyone. Thier true forms are now like galactus level and DS is like beyond all of them. It's a crazy plot twist that grant has come up with to keep the names but wipe out all the crappy writing over the years. everything has been a projection.
Originally posted by quanchi112
When has this been addressed in fc?