Dooku vs Maul and Ventress

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Dooku vs Maul and Ventress

All out.

Dooku had already displayed sufficient skill to tool Ventress effortlessly with the force. I'd say he does that and proceeds to beat Maul in a lightsaber duel.

Won't be easy, but he'd do it.

This is a pretty tough matchup for Dooku, but he can do it if he finishes Ventress immediately. She's no match for him, but Maul? Maul's trouble.

Agreed. While not a challenge force-wise but he's a beast when it comes to sabers.

Ventress can't compete with dooku at all. That's made obvious in DR. Maul however, i would put maul as close to Dooku's equal with sabers, but Tyranus could tool Mace with the force, so Dooku wins.

Wizard of the Force? Is it OK that I really want to give this to Maul? I think in Sabers he would take Dooku out. Not 'Sabers- stage one of the fight'- I mean in a situation where Maul can not be force sniped, Dooku would be toast.

All out: Maul (close quarters) 7/10
All out: Dooku (some initial distance) 8/10

What makes you think Maul will beat down Dooku in a lightsaber duel?

Maul was able to manhandle Qui-Gon Jinn, who was in Mace Windu's league at the time. '[...]Qui-Gon was one of the best lightsaber duelists in the Order' (Wookiepedia, on Ataru's disadvantage against Maul).

Darth Maul was a skilled lightsaber duelist, trained by Darth Sidious in Form VII, which drew on emotions and the dark side.

Darth Maul was a very strong saber duelist, and I would like to place him in the upper tiers, alongside some of the Council Jedi like Plo-Koon and Ki-Adi-Mundi. Maul's 'Wizardry' with the force might be enough to defend him against the Count's tendency to mix force and saber attacks during duels.

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
Maul was able to manhandle Qui-Gon Jinn, who was in Mace Windu's league at the time. '[...]Qui-Gon was one of the best lightsaber duelists in the Order' (Wookiepedia, on Ataru's disadvantage against Maul).

Darth Maul was a very strong saber duelist, and I would like to place him in the upper tiers, alongside some of the Council Jedi like Plo-Koon and Ki-Adi-Mundi. Maul's 'Wizardry' with the force might be enough to defend him against the Count's tendency to mix force and saber attacks during duels.

Now, I don't know about that, considering that Dooku was capable of outsparring Mace friggin' Windu by TPM. If we assume that Qui-Gon and Mace are equals, you'd see that both Dooku and Maul were capable of overcoming their individual opponents- the only difference is (aside from them being different opponents, and Qui-Gon not having sufficient space to practice his Ataru acrobatics), Dooku would become a more skilled duelist by RotS. Honestly, his feats- which include the complete decimation of AotC Obi-Wan, handling General Grievous, tooling Ventress, and beating Sora Bulq/Tholme simultaneously > Maul's feats.

Besides, Mace is a master of Vaapad, too. Vaapad is just a more complete and advanced version of Juyo.

Originally posted by Master Crimzon
Now, I don't know about that, considering that Dooku was capable of outsparring Mace friggin' Windu by TPM. If we assume that Qui-Gon and Mace are equals, you'd see that both Dooku and Maul were capable of overcoming their individual opponents-
I'm sorry- when exactly did Dooku best Mace? Wasn't it as a Jedi? Vapaad gets a boost vs. Darksiders. I'd be willing to argue that Mace Vs. Tyranus would result in a Jedi victory.
Originally posted by Master Crimzon

the only difference is (aside from them being different opponents, and Qui-Gon not having sufficient space to practice his Ataru acrobatics), Dooku would become a more skilled duelist by RotS. Honestly, his feats- which include the complete decimation of AotC Obi-Wan, handling General Grievous, tooling Ventress, and beating Sora Bulq/Tholme simultaneously > Maul's feats.

Maul has (off the top of my head)

challenged Sidious in a saber duel (or at least his capacity to block all attacks- it can refer to skill or speed: take your pick),

Ripped through the Black sun,

Mastered Teras Ki martial arts, and integrated it with his style,

Defeated one of the most accomplished Duelists in 400 years,(Qui-Gon)
And
Defeated Anoon Bondara (the uber-skilled Jedi Watchman)

Dooku's Feats are more numerous, but there can be no doubt that Maul's are impressive as well.

Originally posted by Master Crimzon

Besides, Mace is a master of Vaapad, too. Vaapad is just a more complete and advanced version of Juyo.

Vapaad is derivitave of Juyo, but Maul would not be facing Windu. He's fighting Dooku, who is most definitely not a master of Vapaad.

Maul uses a type of Martial Arts that may be disruptive to Dooku's controlled, refined Makashi. The unpredictable kicks, and generally more physical nature of any fight with Maul would put the octogenarian at a disadvantage.

I'd probably give this to the duo. Maul alone could give Dooku a rumble, and with Asajj it would be tipped into their favor.

Honestly, I forgot about Asajj. While Dooku spends time killing her with the Force, Maul would be all over him. Alternatively, she would provide a suitable meatshield for lightning or other conventional Force attacks. In a duo situation, she might be enough of a nuisance to tip the scales in Maul's favor.

Personally, I think Maul would be better off to fight Tyrannus alone then try and do it with Ventress. For one he wields a doulbe-bladed lightsaber, and Ventress can either do the same or utilise Jar Kai. They wouldn't get any progress done. Maul's clearly Ventress' superior so he should fight him alone. I say Tyrannus wins for now by pwning Ventress via Force ala ROTS Kenobi and engaging Maul in a tough duel.

Maul's Tera Kasi will kick Dooku's ass around for a bit.

Dooku will handle Maul with the Force. Just as he did to Kenobi

maul doesn't have to use the double bladed light saber. he was getting the best of Qui Gonn in their duel until kenobi helped them escape.

Couple of questions: Why didn't Kenobi and Qui Gonn go back and kill Maul right then and there, on tatooinne. Or at least try.
Or secondly, why not call for back-up at that point? its obvious they have a highly skilled fighter tracking them, why weren't more jedi sent to back those two up on naboo? Its not like they were all busy fighting a clone war at that time.

This is true the entire High Council, and Dooku himself sat in their lavish chairs as Qui Gon died a horrific death

Originally posted by truejedi
maul doesn't have to use the double bladed light saber. he was getting the best of Qui Gonn in their duel until kenobi helped them escape.

Couple of questions: Why didn't Kenobi and Qui Gonn go back and kill Maul right then and there, on tatooinne. Or at least try.
Or secondly, why not call for back-up at that point? its obvious they have a highly skilled fighter tracking them, why weren't more jedi sent to back those two up on naboo? Its not like they were all busy fighting a clone war at that time.

If Qui Gon continued his duel with Maul on Tatooine he would've been killed. If Jinn got Kenobi they both would have been killed.

Maul would **** Dooku in the ass with a blade.

Oh, and the team wins.

Maul would do no such thing. Dooku would be a heavy fight for him