Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
He knows, he's just arguing for the sake of arguing.He's like a car running on fumes, sputtering, coughing, eventually coming to a stall on the side of the road.
Nope. I disagree.
Then that makes you a Bigtrak with no batteries, having not even gotten to the road in the first place..
Originally posted by dadudemon
Do you want a round of applause or something?ZOMG! Liek a totally, man. durr
Not. 😐
🤨
Uh, no.
Uh, no. It was NOT intended as PIS by the director but that's exactly what it ended up being. It was meant for a "WTF! THAT'S AWESOME" moment to appeal to the viewer...part of the thing that made Spiderman so awesome. It's the same bullshit that people loved in Karate kid, van Damme, Stallone, etc. movies.
Do you see why I'm so awesome, now? You can't even touch the pleat on my pants.
Edit- Dooku force choked Obi Wan and held him in the air. That was awesome.
Those are his powers as seen in the movie. If you need further proof, look in a comic book or look online, as the movies were in fact based off the comic books. You're also blatantly ignoring the "if it's in the movies' rule.
You're incapable of being honest and you're an ******* in a round about fashion, this is why it gets tiring debating with you.
This is besides your shameless self-promotions. Enjoy.
edit: i am a moron for entertaining your clown-tactics though, should have just ignored your nonsense as others do.
All this precog stuff you keep posting RJ, how did Darth Maul die then? He stood there watching Obi Wan fly up, grab a lightsaber, flip over him, and then slice him in half. Whats worse is that Maul had his saber lit and just stood there.
The precog argument is useless. The 4 Jedi vs Palpatine, none of those guys had precog? Of course they do, but the point is that their enemy is faster than their ability to use precog. Mace should have seen Anakin cutting his hand off, Anakin should have seen Dooku cut his hand off etc etc. They make a slight delay or mistake and it costs them big time.
So if Spiderman is faster (plenty of argument in support of that) then yeah, he can easily take on a Jedi/Sith with or without any precog ability. Also, with his agility and strength, he could just tire out his opponent. Qui Gon, Luke (ESB), Vader (ROTJ) all got whipped out because they couldn't handle the fight any longer.
PIS MiST.
If you're going to bring in stuff like that, Peter gets nailed multiple times throughout the movies by people like Doctor Octopus, who's not even superhuman. His tentacles don't even move much faster than peak human at best, and he hits Peter with his fists a few times as well. Is his spidersense uesless? Of course not. Peter's a speed demon, yet he still gets hit by fat old dudes.
It'd be more sensible to only go with the various characters high-end feats, all of them.
Originally posted by Sadako of GirthYou ask the same questions over and over, I answer them. Then later on, you ask them again or bring the same bullshit I disproved back into the debate.
Nope. I disagree.Then that makes you a Bigtrak with no batteries, having not even gotten to the road in the first place..
Buy a memory card or something.
Originally posted by Sadako of GirthIt's the same as real life. Like say you are trying to study and everyone around you is being loud, partying and shit, that's gonna be a distraction.
Well not neccesarily. Same technique, smaller more immediate aniticipation with it in combat. Its all through the force, baby.The.... girl.... on....... the......... speeder..bike...wasn't....doing..shit.
She....was...just.....looking forward and riding.The fit looking twilek....she...was...just....walking...forwards...exploring....not...battling.
Adi Gallia was piloting a speeder bike looking for seperatists. she wasnt out for a sunday drive.
Ayala Secura sensed the attack, you can see her turn as the clones open fire on her. She was just slow on the draw, thats all.
And again, the clones were ALLIES of the Jedi, the last thing the Jedi expected were for the clones to turn on them.
If a Jedi is facing spidey they are gonna realize he is an enemy, and focus all their attention on them
Originally posted by Final Blaxican
PIS MiST.If you're going to bring in stuff like that, Peter gets nailed multiple times throughout the movies by people like Doctor Octopus, who's not even superhuman. His tentacles don't even move much faster than peak human at best, and he hits Peter with his fists a few times as well. Is his spidersense uesless? Of course not. Peter's a speed demon, yet he still gets hit by fat old dudes.
It'd be more sensible to only go with the various characters high-end feats, all of them.
What is PIS by the way? I cant be bothered looking it up.
I havent watched the Spiderman movies in a while, but I'd probably argue the tentacle speed. The scene in the surgery, the train fight etc, he moves pretty fast compared to normal human speed. His tentacles are probably on par with Spiderman, I'm thinking of the scene when he has Aunt May on the building and Spiderman flings across, the scene is in slo mo but they move basically the same time. Without them he'd be gone quickly.
I'm not saying Spiderman would beat them all the time etc, I'm just saying theres a good chance he'd be able to screw over a few. The thing with precog/spidey sense is that they are just stupid powers. If they were used 100% of the time, no one would be able to hit them and the movies would be boring.
[edit] Forgot to mention the Star Wars side..
In comparison, Darth Maul couldnt block an attack that he actually stood and watched, which moved at normal (or slightly faster than human) speed, regardless of which he can easily match the speed. Whereas Spiderman moves faster than human speed. Compared to Yoda, sure he'd likely get his ass kicked, but Obi Wan etc can't move as fast as Yoda.
Originally posted by Final BlaxicanIt'd be more sensible to only go with the various characters high-end feats, all of them.
[Going by the movies] Which would be Spider-man having 5 seconds to react in the second it took Flash to throw a quick jab. That and simulatneously avoiding machine gun fire and a shotgun (in SM2).
Edit: Watching SM2 now, Ock's tentacles move very fast. And when he hit's Spider-man, it's usually because he's distracted trying to save someone, preoccupied with some pedestrian or because his powers had a tempoary fail as per plot.
Yeah. Sounds good.
I'd say it's more than reasonable for Pete to be at least five times faster than a regular human.
What is PIS by the way? I cant be bothered looking it up.I havent watched the Spiderman movies in a while, but I'd probably argue the tentacle speed. The scene in the surgery, the train fight etc, he moves pretty fast compared to normal human speed. His tentacles are probably on par with Spiderman, I'm thinking of the scene when he has Aunt May on the building and Spiderman flings across, the scene is in slo mo but they move basically the same time. Without them he'd be gone quickly.
I'd disagree, personally. And Pis stands for "Plot Induced Stupidity". I.E., something happening just for the sake of moving the plot along, not because it's realistic, even by the movies own standards.
I'm not saying Spiderman would beat them all the time etc, I'm just saying theres a good chance he'd be able to screw over a few. The thing with precog/spidey sense is that they are just stupid powers. If they were used 100% of the time, no one would be able to hit them and the movies would be boring.
I agree.
That's what PIS is for. 😛
[edit] Forgot to mention the Star Wars side..
In comparison, Darth Maul couldnt block an attack that he actually stood and watched, which moved at normal (or slightly faster than human) speed, regardless of which he can easily match the speed. Whereas Spiderman moves faster than human speed.
He was "surprised", apparently.
Originally posted by Placidity
You did not read the original post, otherwise, you wouldn't still be asking stupid questions.
Really now?
Originally posted by Placidity
In the Star Wars universe, the same mutant Peter Parker exists, except he isn't Spiderman.One day a Jedi Knight sees his amazing abilities in action and is amazed since Peter is not force sensitive at all. He decides to train him in the ways of the Jedi. Even Yoda approves after sensing that Peter is of pure heart.
Peter is too old to be trained to use the force, however his spider-sense and speed makes up for it. He is trained for 10 years in fighting with the lightsabre by Mace Windu.
After his period of training:
- He is very skilled at using the lightsabre.
- Under the guidance of Yoda, has surprisingly developed some basic force abilities such as push and pull, although his level of force manipulation is very low, comparable to a padawan's ability.
- He cannot see things before they happen like most Jedi can, and must rely on his own physical speed, agility and spider-sense.
- Has had 10 years of experience fighting and completing missions alongside Mace Windu.
. . .
[b] Scenarios
1. If you were a member of the Jedi council, which position would you recommend Peter be promoted to?
- Jedi Knight
- Jedi Master
- Jedi Council Member
- Jedi Grand Master2. Who out of these Jedi/Sith, could he defeat in a fight?
- 20 Storm Troopers
- Qui Gon Jin
- Darth Maul
- Darth Tyrannus
- Jango Fett
- Anakin Skywalker
- Obi Wan
- Palpatine
- Mace Windu
- Yoda* Battle occurs in the Jedi Temple.
. . .
All Characters based on movie canon, EpI to III. Does not include any novels/books etc. [/B]
And from the moderator himself:
Originally posted by Impediment
If Placidity is trying to give Spider-Man abilities of The Force, then this thread is an infringement on the rules.C'mon, guys, you know the rules: Movie canon only. Just what we see on screen.
Mmmmmmmmmmmhm. So yeah, no "basic" force abilities for Spidey. Get it? Got it? GOOD haermm
Originally posted by Final Blaxican
I'd disagree, personally. And Pis stands for "Plot Induced Stupidity". I.E., something happening just for the sake of moving the plot along, not because it's realistic, even by the movies own standards.I agree.
That's what PIS is for. 😛
[edit] Forgot to mention the Star Wars side..
He was "surprised", apparently.
Ah, well then yeah, PIS then haha. But both ways, not just spidey sense as dadudemon seems to be implying...
"Surprised", "plot hole", same thing I guess.
Originally posted by MIŠTMaul was cocky and a mere apprentice, not even a full Sith. He relied more on his fighting abilities than he did the force. Plus Obi Wan was hanging there helpless, Maul assumed he had him beat. He was wrong.
All this precog stuff you keep posting RJ, how did Darth Maul die then? He stood there watching Obi Wan fly up, grab a lightsaber, flip over him, and then slice him in half. Whats worse is that Maul had his saber lit and just stood there.
The precog argument is useless. The 4 Jedi vs Palpatine, none of those guys had precog? Of course they do, but the point is that their enemy is faster than their ability to use precog. Mace should have seen Anakin cutting his hand off, Anakin should have seen Dooku cut his hand off etc etc. They make a slight delay or mistake and it costs them big time.To quote Mater Yoda: "The Dark side clouds everything." This includes predicting an enemies attacks. Too bad Spidey has no dark side powers eh?
The precog argument is VERY valid and TOTALLY CANON, deal with it. Jedi/Sith have it. spidey does not.
So if Spiderman is faster (plenty of argument in support of that) then yeah, he can easily take on a Jedi/Sith with or without any precog ability. Also, with his agility and strength, he could just tire out his opponent. Qui Gon, Luke (ESB), Vader (ROTJ) all got whipped out because they couldn't handle the fight any longer.Qui Gon tired because he was facing a much younger and faster opponent.
Luke didn't tire in ESB, WTF version did you watch? He was sweating his ass off, but when he had his hand lopped off, he was showing no signs of running out of gas.
Vader in ROTJ was overpowered by his son, who was under the influence of the dark side, and was younger and faster, and durh, had more stamina.
Fact: Spidey would NOT be able to dodge any and all saber attacks. To think this is LUNACY.
Obi-Wan said that if Qui-Gon had been more in-tune with the Jedi's teachings he could be a council member. It was never stated that the Council actually intended to admit him into it, though I personally they would have eventually.
Regardless, combat skills are not required to be on the council. Coleman Trebor (The guy Jango killed in about three seconds), was on the Council but he was a diplomat and was not even above average with his skills with a lightsaber. Qui-Gon was a skilled fighter, one of the orders best according to EU sources, but the whole council thing itself isn't really an indicator.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Maul was cocky and a mere apprentice, not even a full Sith. He relied more on his fighting abilities than he did the force. Plus Obi Wan was hanging there helpless, Maul assumed he had him beat. He was wrong.
All he had to do was stick his saber out and Obi Wan would have flown straight up into it. Yes he was cocky, but when he noticed Obi Wan preparing himself, Maul clearly shows a look on his face that indicates he knows Obi Wan is trying to do something. So with that forewarning AND supposed precog, he should have taken that fight. The point is, Jedi/Sith are not invincible, all powerful, can't block or dodge every attack and don't move at a speed which can match Spiderman
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
To quote Mater Yoda: "The Dark side clouds everything." This includes predicting an enemies attacks. Too bad Spidey has no dark side powers eh?The precog argument is VERY valid and TOTALLY CANON, deal with it. Jedi/Sith have it. spidey does not.
Valid argument, although they all have perfect eye vision and should clearly see things happening. I'd assume reflexes wouldn't be clouded, only force vision?
Also, Spiderman has Spidey Sense which is shown to be superior to precog in reaction and speed.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Qui Gon tired because he was facing a much younger and faster opponent.Luke didn't tire in ESB, WTF version did you watch? He was sweating his ass off, but when he had his hand lopped off, he was showing no signs of running out of gas.
Vader in ROTJ was overpowered by his son, who was under the influence of the dark side, and was younger and faster, and durh, had more stamina.
Fact: Spidey would NOT be able to dodge any and all saber attacks. To think this is LUNACY.
Yes, Maul was faster. Spiderman is faster than Maul, therefore Spiderman would tire Qui Gon out, force or no force.
Luke was tired after getting beaten around with objects when Vader starting flinging things at him. If you need to watch it again, he clearly starts swinging wildly and missing. He was not fighting at optimum speed and energy throughout the whole fight because he was getting fatigued. Seemed like he was struggling just to hang on, I doubt he could have put up a good fight after losing his hand.
Vader got tired and lost. He was not beaten in one on one saber combat, he physically could not fight anymore, fell to the ground, and that is where the last final blows happened which took him out of the fight.
Spiderman dodges several punches in #1, dodges a car in #2 (due to spidey sense/precog) and I cant remember much of #3 but he moves faster than human when he traps Venom by putting the poles around him.
Originally posted by RobtardYou paid no atttention to TPM, did you?
That appretice also killed a Jedi master, one that was going to be a member of the council soon, iirc.
Maul knew what he was doing. Why was he fighting a retreating battle? He knew he had to seperate Master from Padawan, kill the Master, then the Padawan. He ***** kicked Obi Wan to a lower platform, retreated through the laser gates to the reactor room (Thats what I call it), and had Qui Gon all alone.
He wore Qui Gon down, who was much older and didnt have near the stamina Maul had. Then he killed him.
Even if my interpretation of the duel is BS, still, Qui Gon was foolhardy, rushing in like he did. He should have at the very least slowed his roll and waited for Obi Wan to catch up.
And Maul was arrogant, he should have just administered the killing blow instead of toying with Obi Wan.
Also, forgot to mention, in the first post is says we are assuming Spiderman has 10 years worth of saber combat experience. So he wouldnt need to dodge any and all attacks when he could simply block them.
If we are throwing out all ties with Star Wars so he has no saber skill and no force skill, then he couldnt win against any Jedi because he has no killing powers, whereas Jedi/Sith can choke/lightning/lightsaber him.