Spider-man and The Jedi Order

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
You paid no atttention to TPM, did you?

Maul knew what he was doing. Why was he fighting a retreating battle? He knew he had to seperate Master from Padawan, kill the Master, then the Padawan. He ***** kicked Obi Wan to a lower platform, retreated through the laser gates to the reactor room (Thats what I call it), and had Qui Gon all alone.

He wore Qui Gon down, who was much older and didnt have near the stamina Maul had. Then he killed him.

Even if my interpretation of the duel is BS, still, Qui Gon was foolhardy, rushing in like he did. He should have at the very least slowed his roll and waited for Obi Wan to catch up.

And Maul was arrogant, he should have just administered the killing blow instead of toying with Obi Wan.

Yet he still killed a Jedi Master, go figure.

edit: Funny thing about stamina as it pretains to this thread, Spider-man has it in spades.

Originally posted by MIŠT
Also, forgot to mention, in the first post is says we are assuming Spiderman has 10 years worth of saber combat experience. So he wouldnt need to dodge any and all attacks when he could simply block them.

If we are throwing out all ties with Star Wars so he has no saber skill and no force skill, then he couldnt win against any Jedi because he has no killing powers, whereas Jedi/Sith can choke/lightning/lightsaber him.

Exactly, so think about this, Spider-Man + 10 years Lightsabre training = death, yeah...

Originally posted by MIŠT

If we are throwing out all ties with Star Wars so he has no saber skill and no force skill, then he couldnt win against any Jedi because he has no killing powers, whereas Jedi/Sith can choke/lightning/lightsaber him.

A punch or kick coming from a guy who can stop a speeding train would kill in one hit, if he's going all out.

Originally posted by Robtard
Yet he still killed a Jedi Master, go figure.

And wasn't Qui-Gon like, meditating, or conserving his strength if not renewing his strength as how I saw it while the red doors were locked?

Originally posted by Scythe
And wasn't Qui-Gon like, meditating, or conserving his strength if not renewing his strength as how I saw it while the red doors were locked?

He did some meditation shit.

Originally posted by MIŠT
All he had to do was stick his saber out and Obi Wan would have flown straight up into it. Yes he was cocky, but when he noticed Obi Wan preparing himself, Maul clearly shows a look on his face that indicates he knows Obi Wan is trying to do something. So with that forewarning AND supposed precog, he should have taken that fight. The point is, Jedi/Sith are not invincible, all powerful, can't block or dodge every attack and don't move at a speed which can match Spiderman

And whats it matter what Maul did? This is about spidey NOT being able to predict what a Jedi will do, innit? Spidey has no force powers whatsoever.

Valid argument, although they all have perfect eye vision and should clearly see things happening. I'd assume reflexes wouldn't be clouded, only force vision?
Also, Spiderman has Spidey Sense which is shown to be superior to precog in reaction and speed.

Yes, Maul was faster. Spiderman is faster than Maul, therefore Spiderman would tire Qui Gon out, force or no force.

Luke was tired after getting beaten around with objects when Vader starting flinging things at him. If you need to watch it again, he clearly starts swinging wildly and missing. He was not fighting at optimum speed and energy throughout the whole fight because he was getting fatigued. Seemed like he was struggling just to hang on, I doubt he could have put up a good fight after losing his hand.

Vader got tired and lost. He was not beaten in one on one saber combat, he physically could not fight anymore, fell to the ground, and that is where the last final blows happened which took him out of the fight.

Spiderman dodges several punches in #1, dodges a car in #2 (due to spidey sense/precog) and I cant remember much of #3 but he moves faster than human when he traps Venom by putting the poles around him.

Originally posted by Robtard
He did some meditation shit.

Yeah, I would think he wouldn't be excessively exhausted at all. More or less prepared to fight, and then he just died...

Originally posted by Robtard
Yet he still killed a Jedi Master, go figure.

edit: Funny thing about stamina as it pretains to this thread, Spider-man has it in spades.

And a Jedi/Sith have zero stamina? Doesnt matter how much stamina spidey has, he will be dead before he uses even a small amount of it.

Originally posted by Scythe
Yeah, I would think he wouldn't be excessively exhausted at all. More or less prepared to fight, and then he just died...

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Whoa, I never said a Jedi/Sith can block every attack and that they are all powerful. All I am saying is that Jedi/Sith are way too much for spidey to handle.

And whats it matter what Maul did? This is about spidey NOT being able to predict what a Jedi will do, innit? Spidey has no force powers whatsoever.

And you still ignore that precog wouldn't matter if the person with precog isn't fast enough to counter a much faster opponent. Jedi sense things right before they happen, correct? It's not like they have several seconds notice and can prepare accordingly.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
And I explained how he did this, do try and keep up.

And a Jedi/Sith have zero stamina? Doesnt matter how much stamina spidey has, he will be dead before he uses even a small amount of it.

Yet he still won, which is the point, which part of that can't you get? Maul is obviously just more skilled than a mere apprentice, or Jin seriously lacked sabre skills in accord with his "master" status. Either or, he didn't beat Jin by luck.

Did I say that? Odd considering he's faster as seen in the films. So it stands to reason he could attack and get first hit, which is all either would need.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
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I won't quote each part because it's essentially the same thing, that Spiderman has no force powers and no lightsabers.

But as said here:

Originally posted by MIŠT

If we are throwing out all ties with Star Wars so he has no saber skill and no force skill, then he couldnt win against any Jedi because he has no killing powers, whereas Jedi/Sith can choke/lightning/lightsaber him.

A strict Jedi to Spiderman fight, each character sticking to their own powers/abilities, then it is a one sided fight and there is no point to the thread. For the sake of debate/measuring character's abilitites, there has to be some common ground, which in this case is the OP's post of Spiderman having minimal force powers and lightsaber training. We can knock out force powers since he has all he needs, and just assume that he just picks up a lightsaber off the ground and uses that without any training.

There has to be some way that both characters can 'win', Spiderman can't win because he has no killing powers and no weapons. So suddenly Spiderman has a lightsaber and can do simple things - blocking, parrying, swinging. We can assume he can do these without any training because of his spidey powers that give him enhanced reflexes/speed/precog. All that is left to argue is how the fight goes about, and what the likely outcome is.

Basically what you are saying is that Spiderman cannot win under any circumstances and Jedi win by default settings. This doesnt make for a good debate/thread and we may as well knock out the movie VS forum since a lot of fictional fights would be one sided and useless.

I would think that Spidey having minimul force powers, and lightsabre training would be the footing Spidey needs to win.

Originally posted by Robtard
And you still ignore that precog wouldn't matter if the person with precog isn't fast enough to counter a much faster opponent. Jedi sense things right before they happen, correct? It's not like they have several seconds notice and can prepare accordingly.

Same movie, Anakin killing those centipedes. He sensed that at least four or five seconds before it happened.

Spidey senses danger, he doesnt have as refined a precog sense that a Jadi/Sith has.

Yet he still won, which is the point, which part of that can't you get? Maul is obviously just more skilled than a mere apprentice, or Jin seriously lacked sabre skills in accord with his "master" status. Either or, he didn't beat Jin by luck.

Did I say that? Odd considering he's faster as seen in the films. So it stands to reason he could attack and get first hit, which is all either would need.

I feel like I am talking to a deaf person.

Originally posted by Scythe
I would think that Spidey having minimul force powers, and lightsabre training would be the footing Spidey needs to win.

Originally posted by MIŠT
I won't quote each part because it's essentially the same thing, that Spiderman has no force powers and no lightsabers.

But as said here:

A strict Jedi to Spiderman fight, each character sticking to their own powers/abilities, then it is a one sided fight and there is no point to the thread. For the sake of debate/measuring character's abilitites, there has to be some common ground, which in this case is the OP's post of Spiderman having minimal force powers and lightsaber training. We can knock out force powers since he has all he needs, and just assume that he just picks up a lightsaber off the ground and uses that without any training.

There has to be some way that both characters can 'win', Spiderman can't win because he has no killing powers and no weapons. So suddenly Spiderman has a lightsaber and can do simple things - blocking, parrying, swinging. We can assume he can do these without any training because of his spidey powers that give him enhanced reflexes/speed/precog. All that is left to argue is how the fight goes about, and what the likely outcome is.

Basically what you are saying is that Spiderman cannot win under any circumstances and Jedi win by default settings. This doesnt make for a good debate/thread and we may as well knock out the movie VS forum since a lot of fictional fights would be one sided and useless.

But I agree with you on the common ground. The thread starter should have put more thought into setting the conditions. IMO all a Jedi/Sith really needs is the force to win.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Episode 2, Zam Wessel is gonna blast Kenobi. Kenobi takes a sip of his drink, puts it down casually, draws his saber, ignites it, and lops off her arm.

Same movie, Anakin killing those centipedes. He sensed that at least four or five seconds before it happened.

Spidey senses danger, he doesnt have as refined a precog sense that a Jadi/Sith has.

He beat Jinn by suckering him into a situation that favored Maul. Jinn was the better swordsman, but Maul had more stamina and got Jinn into a situation where Maul could put both his blades to work wearing Jinn down.

Thats the thing, he wouldnt get the first hit. A Jedi/Sith would see the attack coming far in advance and decapitate his web slinging ass.

I feel like I am talking to a deaf person.

I am well aware of what Spider-sense can and can not do, his sheer super-human speed and reaction-time is what would win in a close quarters fight, the Spider-sense just amps those abilities when he's not already aware of a pending attack.

How is Jinn the better swordsman when Jinn and Obi couldn't kill him in the minutes they were tag teaming him, Maul was shown to do considerably well, considering he's an apprentice who was taking on a Master and his apprentice.

If anything, they were equal (or close to) with the sabre and Maul simply had more stamina, I don't recall Maul just barely hanging in there before Jinn tired.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No force powers for spidey, I am afraid.

Originally posted by Placidity
- Under the guidance of Yoda, has surprisingly developed some basic force abilities such as push and pull, although his level of force manipulation is very low, comparable to a padawan's ability.

Originally posted by Scythe

When it was realized that Spider-man would just more easily destroy a Jedi giving him his super-powers and some/weaker Jedi ability, it was taken away. Despite the thread starter making this a specific, like it has been done in other threads with adding or doing away with certain things.

SW has to win, you know.

Originally posted by Scythe

Originally posted by Impediment
If Placidity is trying to give Spider-Man abilities of The Force, then this thread is an infringement on the rules.

C'mon, guys, you know the rules: Movie canon only. Just what we see on screen.

Originally posted by Robtard
When it was realized that Spider-man would just more easily destroy a Jedi giving him his super-powers and some/weaker Jedi ability, it was taken away. Despite the thread starter making this a specific, like it has been done in other threads with adding or doing away with certain things.

SW has to win, you know.

Originally posted by Impediment
If Placidity is trying to give Spider-Man abilities of The Force, then this thread is an infringement on the rules.

C'mon, guys, you know the rules: Movie canon only. Just what we see on screen.

Dont be a sore loser.

Originally posted by Robtard
When it was realized that Spider-man would just more easily destroy a Jedi giving him his super-powers and some/weaker Jedi ability, it was taken away. Despite the thread starter making this a specific, like it has been done in other threads with adding or doing away with certain things.

SW has to win, you know.

Haha, whoa! Thread officially sucks. What is with the one-sided fights??