Spider-man and The Jedi Order

Originally posted by Robtard
I am well aware of what Spider-sense can and can not do, his sheer super-human speed and reaction-time is what would win in a close quarters fight, the Spider-sense just amps those abilities when he's not already aware of a pending attack.

How is Jinn the better swordsman when Jinn and Obi couldn't kill him in the minutes they were tag teaming him, Maul was shown to do considerably well, considering he's an apprentice who was taking on a Master and his apprentice.

If anything, they were equal (or close to) with the sabre and Maul simply had more stamina, I don't recall Maul just barely hanging in there before Jinn tired.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Matter of opinion. The saber battles I provided vids of say otherwise.

Because Maul was fighting a retreating battle. Had he stood his ground, likely he would have been killed by one of the Jedi. He knew this, this is why he suckered them.

I never said anything about Maul "just hanging in there." WTF are you on about?

Again, it clearly isn't. The actors in the sabre duels are moving at human speeds, while camera tricks were used to portray Peter's super powers. Unless you believe that McGregor, Neeson and Haydensen can actually move at super-speeds in real life?

It's simple, Maul did considerably well when he took on both of them AT THE SAME TIME. He then was able to separate them; hang in with Jinn until he tired and killed him. He then had Obi beaten, had he not stopped to gloat.

All those points do not add up to him being a lesser swordsman, than either Jinn or Obi, maybe equal, but not lesser.

edit: didn't Jinn and Maul fight in the desert and Jinn had to retreat onto the ship? Remind me of that scene.

Originally posted by Robtard
Again, it clearly isn't. The actors in the sabre duels are moving at human speeds, while camera tricks were used to portray Peter's super powers. Unless you believe that McGregor, Neeson and Haydensen can actually move at super-speeds in real life?

It's simple, Maul did considerably well when he took on both of them AT THE SAME TIME. He then was able to separate them, hang in with Jinn until he tired and kill him. He then had Obi beaten, had he not stopped to gloat.

Also, if he had STOOD HIS GROUND AND NOT BACKED AWAY as he fought, Maul would have been killed early on.

All those points do not add up to him being a lesser swordsman, than either Jinn or Obi, maybe equal, but not lesser.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Dude.....crylaugh....The CHARACTERS were moving that fast, of COURSE the actors weren't. Of COURSE it was caerawork. 🙄

This is exactly what I am saying, this is my interpretation of the battle.

Also, if he had STOOD HIS GROUND AND NOT BACKED AWAY as he fought, Maul would have been killed early on.

Obi Wan and Maul were roughly the same age, at the same point in their careers as Jedi/Sith. Only natural that the elder Jedi, Jinn, is a better swordsman, if only by experience.

Are you blind, they're swinging around the lightsabre handles as fast as they could in real life, Lucas wasn't speeding up the camera (this is the point, see), I don't think this is something Lucas uses in film making.

And your intrepretation of the battle doesn't make Maul a lesser swordsman, which part of your own points can't you understand?.

1)He backed off because he was facing two of them at once, despite doing considerably well before he began his backing; this does not make him a lesser swordsman to either of them.

2)He then matched sabre skills with Jinn until Jinn tired; that does not make him lesser in skill to Jinn.

3) He then overwhelmed Obi and would could have killed him had the PIS gloating not kicked in; this does not make him a lesser swordsman to Obi, just a PIS victim.

1+2+3 = Maul not lesser in skill to either Jinn or Obi. /end fact.

RJ, Are you intellectually challenged? I'm going to break it down into simple steps for you.

Me:

Originally posted by Placidity
Dooku actually holds Kenobi in Ep3, not Anakin.

As for the topic , Spidey can counter with force push.

Or as for the current debate , Spiderman could try to web him up.

Topic = My Topic = Original Post

Current Debate = Non-Jedi Spider-man vs Jedi/Sith.

But yet the Intellectually Challenged persists...:

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi

Spidey can counter with force push? WTF are you talking about?

Me:

Originally posted by Placidity
The first response was for MY TOPIC. So go to page 1 and read my original post.

Topic = My Topic = Original Post

Current Debate = Non-Jedi Spider-man vs Jedi/Sith.

But yet the Intellectually Challenged persists....:

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
And? Spidey cannot wield the force, yet you just stated he can counter with force push.

Explain.

Me:

Originally posted by Placidity
You did not read the original post, otherwise, you wouldn't still be asking stupid questions.

So at this point, you must be thinking, I better go and actually read the first post carefully and come back with a cool response. Alas you found out I gave Spider-man force powers in the original topic....

But still the intellectually challenged persists...:

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Really now?

And from the moderator himself:

Mmmmmmmmmmmhm. So yeah, no "basic" force abilities for Spidey. Get it? Got it? GOOD haermm

Um Yes RJ that's why I made the distinction between...

Originally posted by Placidity

As for the topic , Spidey can counter with force push.

Or as for the current debate , Spiderman could try to web him up.

Topic = My Topic = Original Post

Current Debate = Non-Jedi Spider-man vs Jedi/Sith.

Edit: Get it? Got it? GOOD haermm

😱 😱 😱 😱 😱 😱 😱 😱

Originally posted by Robtard
Are you blind, they're swinging around the lightsabre handles as fast as they could in real life, Lucas wasn't speeding up the camera (this is the point, see), I don't think this is something Lucas uses in film making.

And your intrepretation of the battle doesn't make Maul a lesser swordsman, which part of your own points can't you understand?.

1)He backed off because he was facing two of them at once, despite doing considerably well before he began his backing; this does not make him a lesser swordsman to either of them.

2)He then matched sabre skills with Jinn until Jinn tired; that does not make him lesser in skill to Jinn.

3) He then overwhelmed Obi and would could have killed him had the PIS gloating not kicked in; this does not make him a lesser swordsman to Obi, just a PIS victim.

1+2+3 = Maul not lesser in skill to either Jinn or Obi. /end fact.

When he went toe to toe with Jinn, when Jinn tired, THATS when Maul gained the advantage.

Overwhelmed Obi? Watch it again. Obi is on the verge of backing Maul into the laser gate when Maul force pushes him away. Obi Wan got overanxious, thats all.

Jinn was killed because of his foolhardy bravado.

Maul was killed because of his arrogance.

Kenobi was almost killed for being overanxious.

I think we need to stick to the force powers that people have actually shown. And only those they have shown. This assumption that every Jedi can do everything that any Jedi or Sith has done in the movies is silly. Nor do we know how the skill that Dooku portrayed in holding Obi Wan would work on a superhuman being like Spider - Man. Same for force choke, he only ever did it on actual humans, and it always took him quite some time, as well. Spider Man is far, far stronger than a normal human. I think we should probably stop pretending that the force is a "beat-them-all" type of superpower. It isn't, it has very real, obvious limits.

Originally posted by Robtard
Those are his powers as seen in the movie. If you need further proof, look in a comic book or look online, as the movies were in fact based off the comic books. You're also blatantly ignoring the "if it's in the movies' rule.

Sorry, mate. Unlike you, I've actually read tons of Spiderman comic books. What you're trying to pull off about his senses are wrong. Now, he certainly could fight flash like that, but his senses do NOT make it to where a flies wings beat every 2 seconds. And Peter most CERTAINLY can't move that fast (when he looks at Flashes arm with amazement.)

That's what my point was. If you want to change your argument to avoid the PIS portion of the scene, great. I'm not going to fault you for it. Spiderman is absurdly good at hand to hand combat. However, Mace Windu would rip him to shreds, bare ****ing handed.

Originally posted by Robtard
You're incapable of being honest and you're an ******* in a round about fashion, this is why it gets tiring debating with you.

No, you're an absurd fanboy on almost every debate. You show bias on every single one of these. You make illogical arguments, and you know very little of the Star Wars universe. I don't understand how you can come to these absurd conclusions all the time in these debates with so little knowledge.

Originally posted by Robtard
This is besides your shameless self-promotions. Enjoy.

LOL! Shameless self promotion? So, you took that seriously? WTF? 😆

You just don't get it. I am friggin' awesome. Behold, my glory. *concourses of angels sing in admiration and announcement.*

*pops his color*

*does a little dance jig*

Oh yeah, babe. flirt

Originally posted by Robtard
edit: i am a moron for entertaining your clown-tactics though, should have just ignored your nonsense as others do.

Right, because everyone else ignores me. Sorry, man, but you're the only one. You seem to ignore me whenever you've reached the end of your "debate" rope because you're wrong, yet again. Your wrongness is only amplified by your ignorance when it becomes apparent.

I will forgive you. Just tell me that I'm awesome and I'll give you riches and women. All you have to do is say those words.

Originally posted by Placidity
[b]Topic = My Topic = Original Post

Current Debate = Non-Jedi Spider-man vs Jedi/Sith.

Edit: Get it? Got it? GOOD haermm

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Sorry, man. You can't do that. It has to stick to the movies. Spiderman can't have force pushy because he doesn't have it in the movies. That was established by Imp. a long time ago.

Originally posted by Placidity
RJ, Are you intellectually challenged? I'm going to break it down into simple steps for you.

Me:

Topic = My Topic = Original Post

Current Debate = Non-Jedi Spider-man vs Jedi/Sith.

But yet the Intellectually Challenged persists...:

Me:

Topic = My Topic = Original Post

Current Debate = Non-Jedi Spider-man vs Jedi/Sith.

But yet the Intellectually Challenged persists....:

Me:

So at this point, you must be thinking, I better go and actually read the first post carefully and come back with a cool response. Alas you found out I gave Spider-man force powers in the original topic....

But still the intellectually challenged persists...:

Um Yes RJ that's why I made the distinction between...

[b]Topic = My Topic = Original Post

Current Debate = Non-Jedi Spider-man vs Jedi/Sith.

Edit: Get it? Got it? GOOD haermm

😱 😱 😱 😱 😱 😱 😱 😱 [/B]

Forum rules. Learn them. Live them. Love them.

Impediment already ***** slapped you for trying to give Spidey force powers, it's against forum rules.

I saw the minimal force powers thing in your initial post, but I figured you were intelligent enough to see Imp's post and that you were now NOT giving Spidey force powers.

Looks like I was wrong and that you have the IQ of Forrest Gump's left nut.

Nice try though.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I think we need to stick to the force powers that people have actually shown. And only those they have shown. This assumption that every Jedi can do everything that any Jedi or Sith has done in the movies is silly. Nor do we know how the skill that Dooku portrayed in holding Obi Wan would work on a superhuman being like Spider - Man. Same for force choke, he only ever did it on actual humans, and it always took him quite some time, as well. Spider Man is far, far stronger than a normal human. I think we should probably stop pretending that the force is a "beat-them-all" type of superpower. It isn't, it has very real, obvious limits.

"Size matters not."

It only makes sense that "Strength matters not."

Originally posted by MIŠT
All this precog stuff you keep posting RJ, how did Darth Maul die then? He stood there watching Obi Wan fly up, grab a lightsaber, flip over him, and then slice him in half. Whats worse is that Maul had his saber lit and just stood there.

The precog argument is useless. The 4 Jedi vs Palpatine, none of those guys had precog? Of course they do, but the point is that their enemy is faster than their ability to use precog. Mace should have seen Anakin cutting his hand off, Anakin should have seen Dooku cut his hand off etc etc. They make a slight delay or mistake and it costs them big time.

So if Spiderman is faster (plenty of argument in support of that) then yeah, he can easily take on a Jedi/Sith with or without any precog ability. Also, with his agility and strength, he could just tire out his opponent. Qui Gon, Luke (ESB), Vader (ROTJ) all got whipped out because they couldn't handle the fight any longer.

The better the force user, the better their force sight (wrong force power, I think....but it's the force reflex thing I'm talking about.)

Also, the better the user is at being one with the force, the quicker they can sense things that go wrong such as Jedi slaughter. Yoda sensed it, being uber. It looks like Obi knew what was going down and GTFO'd.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Why wouldn't force hold work on Spidey?

"Size matters not."

It only makes sense that "Strength matters not."

What good is strenght if you're suspended in mid air? Force choke on Obi Wan by Dooku. Dooku suspended Obi in mid air, and Obi made hamburger meat of Grievous. What good were his powers vs. Dooku when Dooku force choked him?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
You ask the same questions over and over, I answer them. Then later on, you ask them again or bring the same bullshit I disproved back into the debate.

Buy a memory card or something.

It's the same as real life. Like say you are trying to study and everyone around you is being loud, partying and shit, that's gonna be a distraction.

Adi Gallia was piloting a speeder bike looking for seperatists. she wasnt out for a sunday drive.

Ayala Secura sensed the attack, you can see her turn as the clones open fire on her. She was just slow on the draw, thats all.

And again, the clones were ALLIES of the Jedi, the last thing the Jedi expected were for the clones to turn on them.

If a Jedi is facing spidey they are gonna realize he is an enemy, and focus all their attention on them

Oh f**k me......my sides nearly just split, man!!!!
That is the the most hypocritical and inaccurate thing you have ever said.

Oh look. You have a trailer now too.

What the Jedi see anyone they haven't seen before as a threat now...?

Late to the draw...? Precog without the ability to act on it in time is useless.

As mist stated:
So Maul just LET Obiwan cut him in half...?
And how was Qui-Gonn killed in the first place...? huh...?

Go on Sherlock.

Edify us with more irrelevancies/non sequitors and carry on abusing people in absence of any tenable argument.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
You dont THINK, exactly. Find something to concrete to bring to the table, because now you are reaching.

He backed off for the exact reason I mentioned, to seperate the two of them.

When he went toe to toe with Jinn, when Jinn tired, THATS when Maul gained the advantage.

Overwhelmed Obi? Watch it again. Obi is on the verge of backing Maul into the laser gate when Maul force pushes him away. Obi Wan got overanxious, thats all.

Jinn was killed because of his foolhardy bravado.

Maul was killed because of his arrogance.

Kenobi was almost killed for being overanxious.

Sooooooooo many crutches.

However. The only relevant point, by your own testimony, is this:

"Force precog means shit, as the user is always too busy f***king about to ever be effective with it when it counts...."

Spidey sense owns in combat..

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Why wouldn't force hold work on Spidey?

"Size matters not."

It only makes sense that "Strength matters not."

Will they be able to deal with spidey's counter web attacks, while maintaining the hold...? We see no evidence of such ability except maybe with Dooku...

BTW Spidey'd beat Grevious, as he has no force power.

And Grevious killed quite a few Jedi.

Also, if spidey has a lightsabre with that extra speed/effective spidey sense, toe to toe, Spidey could still come out on top, Id say against most parties he'd meet.

Maul would be the biggest challenge, although he'd probably get all complacent and lose anyway.

Originally posted by dadudemon
edited for nonsense

Maybe I wasn't clear before, but I'm not entertaining your foolery, trolling and anger issues anymore.

All I need to know about SW as it pretain to these debates can be seen in the movies, you should try to base your arguments on JUST the movies, it'll help you not look like a fool here.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
You dont THINK, exactly. Find something to concrete to bring to the table, because now you are reaching.

He backed off for the exact reason I mentioned, to seperate the two of them.

When he went toe to toe with Jinn, when Jinn tired, THATS when Maul gained the advantage.

Overwhelmed Obi? Watch it again. Obi is on the verge of backing Maul into the laser gate when Maul force pushes him away. Obi Wan got overanxious, thats all.

Jinn was killed because of his foolhardy bravado.

Maul was killed because of his arrogance.

Kenobi was almost killed for being overanxious.

Hahaha, good one, you telling anyone else they don't think. So the film was speed-up in the sabre duels to signify that they're moving at faster than human speeds?

Everything you said still doesn't make Maul a lesser duelist with the sabre, maybe equal; not lesser though.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I think we need to stick to the force powers that people have actually shown. And only those they have shown. This assumption that every Jedi can do everything that any Jedi or Sith has done in the movies is silly. Nor do we know how the skill that Dooku portrayed in holding Obi Wan would work on a superhuman being like Spider - Man. Same for force choke, he only ever did it on actual humans, and it always took him quite some time, as well. Spider Man is far, far stronger than a normal human. I think we should probably stop pretending that the force is a "beat-them-all" type of superpower. It isn't, it has very real, obvious limits.

Impossible with certain SW fans in here, as they're obviously influenced by sources other than JUST the movies.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Why wouldn't force hold work on Spidey?

"Size matters not."

It only makes sense that "Strength matters not."

Yeah more of a shaper of attitude/approach like "do or do not, there is no try".