Spider-man and The Jedi Order

Originally posted by Robtard
Impossible with certain SW fans in here, as they're obviously influenced by sources other than JUST the movies.

And crack too, probably. 😛

Originally posted by Robtard
edited for butthurt

Reality is you're the one getting pissed. I've been nothing but light hearted about this debate. I would submit that you're the one being the fanboy. Literally, you're being ignorant. I haven't been using references for things other than the movies except for the Mace Windu hand to hand combat prowess. If you could, kind sir, point to EU ability references and my using them to debate, I'd be glad to apologize.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
And crack too, probably. 😛

Indeed. Now quite talking and either take another hit or pass me the pipe. 😆

Dadudemon,

You obviously don't understand that I simply don't care to go around these stupid little dances with you anymore, where you make false claims, beat your chest, throw tantrums and all done for the purpose of "pwning" people, as you say.

Here, I'll make it easier and say: "you pwned me and I am raging angry over it."

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Oh f**k me......my sides nearly just split, man!!!!
That is the the most hypocritical and inaccurate thing you have ever said.

Oh look. You have a trailer now too.

What the Jedi see anyone they haven't seen before as a threat now...?

Late to the draw...? Precog without the ability to act on it in time is useless.

As mist stated:
So Maul just LET Obiwan cut him in half...?
And how was Qui-Gonn killed in the first place...? huh...?

Go on Sherlock.

Edify us with more irrelevancies/non sequitors and carry on abusing people in absence of any tenable argument.

Thanx for the pic and comment, I know I am running over everything you say, no need to point out the obvious.

Use your brain, I know there is one rattling around in that skull of yours. If I were your ally in combat, would you expect me to turn on you? Jedi are powerful as hell, but even they have their limits.

A Jedi facing spidey in combat will give him 100% of their attention and recognize him as a threat. I have already explained several times to you that the precog of a Jedi is far more advanced than spideys.You know it's true, Obi Wan and Anakin display it in AOTC.

Maul didnt LET Kenobi bisect him, he was so busy talking shit that Kenobi caught him by surprise, simple as that.

I have already explained how Qui Gon was killed, go back and read.

And do try to keep from asking the same question over and over and over and over and over. Oh wait, that's what you do when you are proven wrong over and over and over and over and over, innit? 😉

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Sooooooooo many crutches.

However. The only relevant point, by your own testimony, is this:

"Force precog means shit, as the user is always too busy f***king about to ever be effective with it when it counts...."

Spidey sense owns in combat..

Spidey sense pwns force precog in combat? crylaugh Knock knock, who's there? Hmm? BULLSHIT. Anyone with half a brain will say that is total BULLSHIT.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Will they be able to deal with spidey's counter web attacks, while maintaining the hold...? We see no evidence of such ability except maybe with Dooku...

BTW Spidey'd beat Grevious, as he has no force power.

And Grevious killed quite a few Jedi.

Also, if spidey has a lightsabre with that extra speed/effective spidey sense, toe to toe, Spidey could still come out on top, Id say against most parties he'd meet.

Maul would be the biggest challenge, although he'd probably get all complacent and lose anyway.

Originally posted by Robtard
Hahaha, good one, you telling anyone else they don't think. So the film was speed-up in the sabre duels to signify that they're moving at faster than human speeds?

Everything you said still doesn't make Maul a lesser duelist with the sabre, maybe equal; not lesser though.

Yeah, thats what I meant 🙄 ... I meant PROVE what you said, with facts. You know, like I have been doing for the last few pages.

And I dont know how we got sidetracked on Maul.

Bottom line is that a Jedi/Sith is way too much for spidey too handle, even Mist admited this.

Originally posted by Bardock42
He did say that, yes. But, contrary to what he said, it is proven time and time again, that size, does matter. To him and others. So, the size not mattering thing is at best theoretical.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Yeah, thats what I meant 🙄 ... I meant PROVE what you said, with facts. You know, like I have been doing for the last few pages.

And I dont know how we got sidetracked on Maul.

Bottom line is that a Jedi/Sith is way too much for spidey too handle, even Mist admited this.

Now you're just doing that dodging thing and trying to distract.

Camera tricks were used in Spider-man to illustrate his super-human powers, namely his speed and reaction-time in the Flash fight scene, this is a simple fact, I don't need to post that clip again.

You claimed the Jedi are fighting faster in their duels than Peter is portrayed, I said it isn't so as the actors playing the Jedi are not speed-up (as Toby McCguirre was), they simply move their sabre(handles) as fast as they could in real life.

So, I ask you again, did Lucas speed-up the fights using the magic of movie making? If so, where they (the Jedi) speed-up to the point that Peter was portrayed?

Originally posted by Robtard
Now you're just trolling.

Camera tricks were used in Spider-man to illustrate his super-human powers, namely his speed and reaction-time in the Flash fight scene, this is a simple fact, I don't need to post that clip again.

You claimed the Jedi are fighting faster in their duels than Peter is portrayed, I said it isn't so as the actors playing the Jedi are not speed-up (as Toby McCguirre was), they simply move their sabre(handles) as fast as they could in real life.

So, I ask you again, did Lucas speed-up the fights using the magic of movie making? If so, where they (the Jedi) speed-up to the point that Peter was portrayed?

Trolling? Hardly.

I dont know anything about camerawork, why the sudden 20 questions? Are you some kind of CGI ninja or sumthin?

I am saying that a Jedi/Sith with a lightsaber AND force powers is more than spidey can handle. No matter how spidey decides to attack, they will read it and turn it to their advantage.

Of course if a Jedi/Sith lets spidey get in close and allows him to start hitting them with punches and kicks they would get pwned, anyone would. Thing is, spidey would never get that close. He wouldn't be able to lay a finger on them.

Jedi/Sith have a Lightsaber plus force powers plus far superior sense of precog. ALL facts. ALL things spidey will NOT be able to deal with.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Trolling? Hardly.

I dont know anything about camerawork, why the sudden 20 questions? Are you some kind of CGI ninja or sumthin?

I am saying that a Jedi/Sith with a lightsaber AND force powers is more than spidey can handle. No matter how spidey decides to attack, they will read it and turn it to their advantage.

Of course if a Jedi/Sith lets spidey get in close and allows him to start hitting them with punches and kicks they would get pwned, anyone would. Thing is, spidey would never get that close. He wouldn't be able to lay a finger on them.

Jedi/Sith have a Lightsaber plus force powers plus far superior sense of precog. ALL facts. ALL things spidey will NOT be able to deal with.

You weren't trolling (my error), I went back and edited, you're doing that dodge thing you do when you back yourself into a corner after making a claim you can't substantiate, namely the claim that 'Jedi fight faster than Spider-man as seen in the films.' Just isn't so.

You don't need to be a cameraman or work for ILM, you simply need to watch the films, it's that easy.

So your argument is back to basically 'The Jedi win because they're Jedi and Jedi are awesome'.

Edit: I understand you're an uber fan and you read/watch the books, comics and cartoons, where the Jedi are depicted as being far more powerful and with less limits as seen in the films; this is movies only though, as you know. I am a big fan too, loved the original Cartoon Networks animation; the point there, Mace in that animation would destroy just about anyone in the movies, he took on a droid army with his fist.

Originally posted by dadudemon
That's why you fail, young padawan. Vader can force choke people from across the galaxy.

The end. 😐

Theres one EU assumption.

So theres that and the Windu h2h, so far...

Originally posted by Robtard
You weren't trolling (my error), I went back and edited, you're doing that dodge thing you do when you back yourself into a corner after making a claim you can't substantiate, namely the claim that 'Jedi fight faster than Spider-man as seen in the films.' Just isn't so.

So your argument is back to basically 'The Jedi win because they're Jedi and Jedi are awesome'.

Edit: I understand you're an uber fan and you read/watch the books, comics and cartoons, where the Jedi are depicted as being far more powerful and with less limits as seen in the films; this is movies only though, as you know. I am a big fan too, loved the original Cartoon Networks animation; the point there, Mace in that animation would destroy just about anyone in the movies, he took on a droid army with his fist.

When I asserted that Anakins chosen oneness was why he was able to kill the poison slugs with such precision, you responded with:

Originally posted by dadudemon

That's par for any jedi knight, though.

Not portrayed that way in the movies = EU assumption.

If all Jedi were that good, the Jedi'd never have lost the temple in the first place.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth

If all Jedi were that good, the Jedi'd never have lost the temple in the first place.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
You now what I meant, I meant that spidey in no way fights fast enough to avoid all saber and force attacks. Maybe, MAYBE he can dodge a swipe or two, but eventually he will get spanked, sooner if he goes offensive.

No, my argument is that spidey wouldnt make a hair on a Jedi's ass.

And when in this debate have I brought anything other than the movies into play? Hmm?

And that's a full circle, Spider-man could kill them with one hit just as easily as they could kill him with one hit. So it stands to reason that Spider-man with his far superior speed and reaction-time would both attack and land a hit first.

Yes, because 'they're Jedi and Jedi win because Jedi are awesome.'

You add to the Jedi with things that are not shown in the films, one example would be your claims that the Jedi are moving faster than they are as seen in the films, the fights take place at the pace the actors can dish out, Lucas isn't speeding up the camera.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Thanx for the pic and comment, I know I am running over everything you say, no need to point out the obvious.

Use your brain, I know there is one rattling around in that skull of yours. If I were your ally in combat, would you expect me to turn on you? Jedi are powerful as hell, but even they have their limits.

A Jedi facing spidey in combat will give him 100% of their attention and recognize him as a threat. I have already explained several times to you that the precog of a Jedi is far more advanced than spideys.You know it's true, Obi Wan and Anakin display it in AOTC.

Maul didnt LET Kenobi bisect him, he was so busy talking shit that Kenobi caught him by surprise, simple as that.

I have already explained how Qui Gon was killed, go back and read.

And do try to keep from asking the same question over and over and over and over and over. Oh wait, that's what you do when you are proven wrong over and over and over and over and over, innit? 😉

Oh thats rich coming from the guy who invented the crutch.

Spidey sense pwns force precog in combat? crylaugh Knock knock, who's there? Hmm? BULLSHIT. Anyone with half a brain will say that is total BULLSHIT.

Lightsaber, man. A force hold means you are frozen where you stand, how is spidey gonna aim? I swear you dont think before you post.

Way to

Spidey wpuld get PWNED by Grievous. Dude has FOUR lightsabers, is stronger and arguably faster. How is spidey gonna hurt Grievous? Go ahead, go cook up a fresh batch of bullshit, I'll wait.

Afraid not, sugar. A Jedi's FAR SUPERIOR precog, not to mention force powers, would render spidey.....well, ****ing dead.

Maybe five seconds, spidey'd last. MAYBE 5 seconds.

Running over the words with your eyes, but the their meaning being lost of you, clearly. You dozy twaaaaaaat. 🙂

I dont give a flying f**k whether or not the were previously allied to the troops or not. The main point is that they should have SEEN IT COMING. THATS WHAT PRECOGNITION ENTAILS.

Spidey mashes Grevious by web catapulting chunks of f***ing concrete at him, by web grabbing his lighsabres of him, swinging with fast attacks ambush attacks that grevious wont expect, by any manner of ways that Grevious wouldn't be able to counter basically..

Well, Elizabeth. It would seem that as Spidey was capable of surviving 3 movies, and that the Jedi are not, that thats more predictably pointless arse-talking from you.....again.

And you invented the crutch crutch, idiot.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
The Jedi were scattered throughout the galaxy, remember? If every Master and Knight had been at the temple, the clones would have been fried. Sidious knew what he was doing, he timed it to perfection.

Regardless. There were Jedi at the Temple who Anankin slaughtered. If all Jedi were as good as Anakin with a Lightsabre, he couldnt have done what he did. And their precognition helped them not ONE bit.

Mace demonstrated how effective his precognition was he was blasted out of the motherf***in' window.

Originally posted by Robtard

Edit: I understand you're an uber fan and you read/watch the books, comics and cartoons, where the Jedi are depicted as being far more powerful and with less limits as seen in the films; this is movies only though, as you know. I am a big fan too, loved the original Cartoon Networks animation; the point there, Mace in that animation would destroy just about anyone in the movies, he took on a droid army with his fist.

Yup even McClane would have trouble doing that. 😖hifty:

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Regardless. There were Jedi at the Temple who Anankin slaughtered. If all Jedi were as good as Anakin with a Lightsabre, he couldnt have done what he did. And their precognition helped them not ONE bit.

Mace demostrated how effective his precognition was he was blasted out of the motherf***in' window.

And Anakin was the chosen one, slim. Prolly Windu and Yoda were better than he, Kenobi close but not quite there. Kenobi went toe to toe with Anakin on Mustafar because he knew all of Anakin's moves, or most of them anyway.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Running over the words with your eyes, but the their meaning being lost of you, clearly. You dozy twaaaaaaat. 🙂

I dont give a flying f**k whether or not the were previously allied to the troops or not. The main point is that they should have SEEN IT COMING. THATS WHAT PRECOGNITION ENTAILS.

But spidey has no such powers. Oh. Yeah.......

Spidey mashes Grevious by web catapulting chunks of f***ing concrete at him, by web grabbing his lighsabres of him, swinging with fast attacks ambush attacks that grevious wont expect, by any manner of ways that Grevious wouldn't be able to counter basically..

Well, Elizabeth. It would seem that as Spidey was capable of surviving 3 movies, and that the Jedi are not, that thats more predictably pointless arse-talking from you.....again.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Theres one EU assumption.

So theres that and the Windu h2h, so far...

fail

Uhh...no...that was an exaggeration from the scene when he chokes someone on the bridge of the same ship. I've already explained that.

I am not aware of anyone being able to force choke someone form across the galaxy in the EU. That would be impossible, I'd think.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Not portrayed that way in the movies = EU assumption.

They are trained with sabers from a very very young age. It literally IS par from any Jedi Knight. (Republic Jedi Knights.) They have to be that precise or they would cut their own arms, faces, and legs off. That is taken from Episode II and Episode V. (Training from a young age and Yoda reinforcing that training must occur from a young age.)

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
If all Jedi were that good, the Jedi'd never have lost the temple in the first place.

Lost the temple? Anakin is awesome and he slayed padawans and youglings. (And in the EU, he slayed some of the jedi knights and a master or two..I can't remember...but he went to town in the EU...it is qutie awesome that he's that good.)

Edit - HEY! My post was at Robtard! lol Oh well, it just gave me more of an opportunity to shed some light on things that may have been mistaken. If you wanted to point something out, you could have used force sense reference. That's EU, I think. However, it could be interpreted as common terminology for describing even the movies.

Originally posted by Robtard
Dadudemon,

You obviously don't understand

I do understand. As long as you post to me, I'll respond.

Also, it tickles a little bit when you type my full name out and I read it. I can't describe it any other way but to say that it kind of tickles to see you type my name out.

Originally posted by Robtard
that I simply don't care to go around these stupid little dances with you anymore,

You do care, because you keep responding to my posts. You can call them stupid little dances, but who's the stupid one? The one leading the stupid little dance, or the one who keeps being lead?

Originally posted by Robtard
where you make false claims,

Correction, where you make illogical connections and draw conclusions from the illogic.

Originally posted by Robtard
beat your chest,

Right, I've done that a lot. 😐

Originally posted by Robtard
throw tantrums

Actually, you're the only one getting butthurt over this. I've covered that already. Who's not dancing anymore? AHA! 😆

Originally posted by Robtard
and all done for the purpose of "pwning" people, as you say.

No, mate, all for the purpose of entertainment and for general fun. You're taking this much too seriously. Relax a bit and try to have more fun.

Originally posted by Robtard
Here, I'll make it easier and say: "you pwned me and I am raging angry over it."

It's about time you fess up to da troooof! 😮‍💨