I OBJECT to being referred to as a fanboy, the Sephiroth vs Link thread was legit. I do not deny that when I think I'm right I'll argue the other person into submission, via repitition, trolling, posting drunk, and sheer stubborness. Terry had it coming. 😐
I will admit, EG, you made me laugh with the temporary insanity comment, how do you think I felt actually debating with Terry? T_T
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Why isn't Kain killed by Sunlight, Garlic, repelled by a Cross, or abnormally weak to wood being stabbed into his heart?
Because hes not traditional vampire, hes not the typical transylvanian so hes not got these weaknesses although he has evolved past the weakness to sunlight since younger vampires are apprently still weak to it and the cross has no effect on Vamps, merely because in Nosgoth God and Christianity do not actually exist, at least as we know it (there is religion).
And heart? Kain as of now no longer has a heart.
Also ive still not seen this "so many interpretations" of regulation? ive seen so many defintions of it and pretty much all of it is similiar unless you take one of the most obscure defintion talking directly about a Earth based application.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Exactley, I did not read it in the scans, which means your the one speculating it.No because Kain is not neceeserily going to rely on one shield, he has teleportation to escape this effect as well as mist form, which can also be his mode of attack.
Your the one trying to use logic for your own arguments by saying a character can do something it has no done with its powers yet denying me doing the same for Kain....hypocrisy. Whos talking about durability? ime talking about whether this character can effect something of a diffrent material, e.g. vapour, and your telling me this guy turned a physical object into dust, e.g. particles? water do not become dust, they are air and vapour, moisture etc, it sounds like your trying to debate that one guy gets turned into dust so it means just because droplets are less durable they can be transformed into dust? that doesnt even make sense, it sounds to me that your taking advantage of my lack of knowledge on Darksied anyway, if he can just turn a being into dust, why doesnt he just do it to all his opponents? [b]should
gain? this is going to haunt you now so i hope you meant to say that, this outlines the fact you dont actually know what this character has so your just pulling abilities from Darksieds shown feats list?I will look at a Wiki out of interest. We can assume what we like, it does not mean either one is true until we know for certain what this Khan can actually do.
Its compeltlty irrelvent, by defintion as regulator over magic Kain can do these things, its not a power that requires defined scope, the power itself defines the scope. Kain regulations, governs and sets the order over magic, therefore, he merely orders its scope to be beyond Darksied, whats better yet that fortunatley those against Kains power pointed out is that he does it with his own magic, so already his power is such to be able to perform, rule and govern the power that is magic but also the higher bound he places in his regulation for magic, the higher his own bounds are by default.
To throw in an analogy, it would be like you claiming flash can go lightspeed, you providing evidence saying officially and factually he can (lets say for the sake of it, from the developers) then me asking "show me Flash performing lightspeed to the height lightspeed" its ridiculous and does not make sense.
Dark Khan is effectively fighting a being who is omnipotent in the specific magic powers he has access to, which include energy, time, dimension, weather and more. [/B]
Basically I'm postponing the discussion until I have found a incident of Dark Khan using the Omega Effect, I suggest that you likewise find a incident with Kain using the Regulation 🙂
Originally posted by Obsidian Fury
I'm from Finland and a school that didn't even have an English teacher, and even I know that there are more than one useable interpretation of this regulation case (Although I'm with Q on the whole 'Kain doesn't regulate' thing)
You would be, you are against me as well, yet when you tried to prove ime not objective in the other thread you had to go back several pages to find that you were wrong afterall....
Q and your words being useless and all, I suggest you back those words, those many many words you like to use with some actions, show this regulation, show my apprent "fallacies", and ill probably teach you for free how wrong you are.
(ofc I dont expect you to do anything, youll prob come back with a few more paragraphs of how "wrong" I happen to be, and my "billionz of fallaciez and misinterpretations!"😉
Originally posted by Utrigita
Kain using the Regulation 🙂
I have a higher form of evidence than that, I have the developer saying he has it so I wouldnt need Kain doing it.
Originally posted by Burning thought
I have a higher form of evidence than that, I have the developer saying he has it so I wouldnt need Kain doing it.
Sorry you don't need to see Kain doing it I on the other hand ... as it have previously been discussed the entire quote that you present from the Dark-Chronicles is open to different interpretation. A incident of him doing so wouldn't be open, also I would like to see the interview were Amy Hennig stats that Kain can do what you claim, she was the writer of the story so ofcause she must also be the highest form of Canon 🙂
Originally posted by Utrigita
Sorry you don't need to see Kain doing it I on the other hand ... as it have previously been discussed the entire quote that you present from the Dark-Chronicles is open to different interpretation. A incident of him doing so wouldn't be open, also I would like to see the interview were Amy Hennig stats that Kain can do what you claim, she was the writer of the story so ofcause she must also be the highest form of Canon 🙂
Ofcourse it would be open, anyone on this forum would find something, they would either scream some sort gameplay, inconsistency, or perhaps try and make a claim that the graphics used did not look like regulation. And regulation is not something you can show anyway, I can claim that half the spells he does is him on a high limit of regulation. I interpret whats said in the Warcraft books all the time diffrently than those showing them to me.
And in the end, none of these interpretations have been shown, can you make some? anyone can interpret something diffrently, from feats to statements.
Well actually Amy Herring did not develop this part of it, Silicon knights did, Amy Herring wrote the story for Soul reaver, Soul reaver 2 and Defiance, the information found in the Blood omen series, especially the first one which my information is from, is Silicon knights.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Ofcourse it would be open, anyone on this forum would find something, they would either scream some sort gameplay, inconsistency, or perhaps try and make a claim that the graphics used did not look like regulation. And regulation is not something you can show anyway, I can claim that half the spells he does is him on a high limit of regulation. I interpret whats said in the Warcraft books all the time diffrently than those showing them to me.And in the end, none of these interpretations have been shown, can you make some? anyone can interpret something diffrently, from feats to statements.
Well actually Amy Herring did not develop this part of it, Silicon knights did, Amy Herring wrote the story for Soul reaver, Soul reaver 2 and Defiance, the information found in the Blood omen series, especially the first one which my information is from, is Silicon knights.
Sure show a instant of a magical attack about to be used on Kain and then show Kain waving his hand ore just smiling and then the spell disappear. Easy. I'm well aware of that.
Have any of your interpretations been shown? No what does this leave both sides with concerning Kain's "unlimited" regulation? Absolutely nothing. And that highly depends on the circumstances in this scan for instance
It would take a character hate of unlimited degree to say that Galactus didn't transform Terrax into energy. Some things are cut into stone while others are opened to interpretation, Kain's ability to regulate magic that have never been shown ingame in any circumstances neither have it been used by the other Balance Guardians and have only been refered to in a quote on Dark Chronicles is most certainly open to interpretation.
She wrote the story. The Writer of the Story (the one with the ideas etc) is imo significantly above the developers, which works with what they have been given by the Writer. And from what I found she wrote them all.
Originally posted by Utrigita
She wrote the story. The Writer of the Story (the one with the ideas etc) is imo significantly above the developers, which works with what they have been given by the Writer. And from what I found she wrote them all.
This is very true. For example: Warcraft developers don't know a portion of the lore as Metzen does. They have openly admitted that they can be wrong, and often has been wrong when asked something. The developers can say one thing, but it's open for interpretation (Because their word is not law. It is not definate). Chris Metzen retconed the lore retcon of World of Warcraft because the developers had gotten it wrong.
Developers only develop the game. They aren't the omniscient narrators.
The statement I believe was that:
"Their role was a regulatory one, and their magic influenced others' in Nosgoth".
Can you honestly not think of another meaning for this other than "Kain is nigh-omnipotent"?
Even Dark-Chronicle says: "It is unclear what the future will hold for Kain as the purified Guardian of Balance, and what his role as Scion of Balance actually entails".
"The role of the Balance Guardians was a reglatory one; their magic influenced the regulation of the other magic in Nosgoth. We can identify three Balance Guardians, pictured above."
Burning Thought is seeing what he wants to see. Not what's actually written. Kain is NOT a regulator. Magic itself is. Kain only influence regulation. Which can mean a lot, since not even the word regulation itself has a definate meaning, and he's only influencing the unclear word regulate. So there's a double fallacy involved.
Influencing regulation is: You enter your car. You find it too hot inside, so you turn on the AC. The AC cool the car down, and you're more comfortable in it. At that point, you have influenced a regulative force. You didn't do the actual regulation. The actual regulation was done by the AC who degree by degree cooled the car down.
Burning Thought can claim what he wants. His definition of Kain and the regulation is not even the first definition a dictionary would give, or a professor of the English language.
Burning Thought looks at the most propriate definition for him and for Kain in order for Kain to win the debate.
Originally posted by Q'Anilia
"The role of the Balance Guardians was a reglatory one; their magic influenced the regulation of the other magic in Nosgoth. We can identify three Balance Guardians, pictured above."Burning Thought is seeing what he wants to see. Not what's actually written. Kain is [b]NOT
a regulator. Magic itself is. Kain only influence regulation. Which can mean a lot, since not even the word regulation itself has a definate meaning, and he's only influencing the unclear word regulate.Influencing regulation is: You enter your car. You find it too hot inside, so you turn on the AC. The AC cool the car down, and you're more comfortable in it. At that point, you have influenced a regulative force. You didn't do the actual regulation. The actual regulation was done by the AC who degree by degree cooled the car down.
Burning Thought can claim what he wants. His definition of Kain and the regulation is not even the first definition a dictionary would give, or a professor of the English language.
Burning Thought looks at the most propriate definition for him and for Kain in order for Kain to win the debate. [/B]
True, it says 'influenced' instead of 'controlled', but I'm willing to let it slide, since ultimately you're the one in charge of the car and its conditioning system.
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
True, it says 'influenced' instead of 'controlled', but I'm willing to let it slide, since ultimately you're the one in charge of the car and its conditioning system.
Indirectly in control. You're not the one regulating (Which is a BIG difference from regulating. Influencing and actually regulating has a huge gap between the two). You can only partially control the temperature and the rate, and not even necessarily with the precision or extent that you desire.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Sure show a instant of a magical attack about to be used on Kain and then show Kain waving his hand ore just smiling and then the spell disappear. Easy. I'm well aware of that.Have any of your interpretations been shown? No what does this leave both sides with concerning Kain's "unlimited" regulation? Absolutely nothing. And that highly depends on the circumstances in this scan for instance
It would take a character hate of unlimited degree to say that Galactus didn't transform Terrax into energy. Some things are cut into stone while others are opened to interpretation, Kain's ability to regulate magic that have never been shown ingame in any circumstances neither have it been used by the other Balance Guardians and have only been refered to in a quote on Dark Chronicles is most certainly open to interpretation.
She wrote the story. The Writer of the Story (the one with the ideas etc) is imo significantly above the developers, which works with what they have been given by the Writer. And from what I found she wrote them all.
Thats only a form of regulation....as I said, him doing any spell could be him regulatng his powers to a lesser degree, but it really doesnt matter, him showing it is irrelvent when his developers say he can do.
No it leaves my side with the Developers backing me up and my oppositions denile slumped.
I could interpret that easily, I could interpret that Galactus can only seemingly do that to his heralds who he has given their power, since he emphasises how Terrax is a herald given power by him as he does it and throughout.
Its not open to interpretation because in truth its a single word that gives Kain all this power, regulation, and regulation has very few interpretations if any at all and by the seeming fact that nobody so far has given a diffrent legit interpretation its pretty clear there likely is not, only someone with a lot of Kain hate to an unlimited degree could interpret that magic regulation does not give kain the practicle power to make himself nigh omnipotent 😉
Ime not even sure of that? where did you find that information? as i said, the developers who made Blood omen and who this came from are not Eidios who made Soul reaver which Amy herring is typically from.
Either way, unless she had written something that says otherwise, then ime afraid all of this "developers are not as believable as the writers" is irrelvent, simply because the Developers are definaltey far above the players, and everyone this forum combined in authority in their characters.
And Q'Anilia your being ridiculous, this influence is from Kain alone, Kain is doing the influence, the magic is also his....so Kain influences regulation with his magic into infnitiy then if it makes you happy....
Regulation is quite a clear defintion in all dictionaries ive read currently and it clearly points out Kain is in control and orders magic, therefore, he wishes it to be infnite for himself.
