Ozymandias vs. Spiderman.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Stop trolling.

Uh. No. Sorry. You are trolling. This is fact.

Originally posted by dadudemon
The discussion was: petter isn't indestructable. He takes damage. He got his a** handed to him by Goblin. Goblin just did the ol' "own weapons kill me when I monologed" BS.

Who is arguing Peter is indestructable?

The discussion was that Ozy can't knock Spiderman out.

Proof was:

- Grenade to the face failed to KO SM.
- Venom taking free shots at Spiderman's head with a steel girder failed to KO SM.
- New Goblin, constantly smashing Spiderman's head into buildings failed to KO SM.
- A giant Sandman with a fist that weighed at least several tonnes, not accounting for his strength, pounding SM - which DID hit his head - failed to KO SM.

Ozy cannot KO Spiderman. This is fact.

Originally posted by dadudemon
And, no.

And, yes.

Originally posted by dadudemon

However, everyone else on this board except you correctly believe that Ozy loses.

It proves how much of logic fanboys everyone is.

Fixed.

Originally posted by Placidity
Uh. No. Sorry. You are trolling. This is fact.

No. You are.

You're the only one crying troll when everyone else has been fairly reasonable and disccused things.

Originally posted by Placidity
Who is arguing Peter is indestructable?

The discussion was that Ozy can't knock Spiderman out.

Proof was:

- Grenade to the face failed to KO SM.
- Venom taking free shots at Spiderman's head with a steel girder failed to KO SM.
- New Goblin, constantly smashing Spiderman's head into buildings failed to KO SM.
- A giant Sandman with a fist that weighed at least several tonnes, not accounting for his strength, pounding SM - which DID hit his head - failed to KO SM.

Ozy cannot KO Spiderman. This is fact.

K.

You've convinced me.

Ozy and Spiderman get prep.

3 hours.

Ozy brings a blade. Spiderman brings ....a spare suit?

It ends in 3 seconds with spiderman's head on the floor.

Spiderman will avoid Ozy, jumping around, wall crawling etc. Eventually web up Ozy and then rip his head off and kick it like a football.

Originally posted by Placidity
Spiderman will avoid Ozy, jumping around, wall crawling etc. Eventually web up Ozy and then rip his head off and kick it like a football.

Well, it's fact that Ozy reacts faster, moves faster, fights faster, and is smarter.

He dodges everything, with a sly smile.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Well, it's fact that Ozy reacts faster, moves faster, fights faster, and is smarter.

Only the last point is true.

Originally posted by Placidity
Only the last point is true.

Ozy is the better H2H fighter, biiiig time. No contest there.

Ozy also moves faster. Moved AFTER the bullet was shot at him, when standing stationary.

He moved out of the bullets way.

Spiderman moves out of the gun's aim's way.

There's a HUGE difference.

Originally posted by dadudemon

Ozy brings a blade. Spiderman brings ....a spare suit?

Ozymandias can't effectively wield a blade, he can only catch them. Movie feats, you know. 😬

(Even with knife/sword skills, he'd not hit Parker, before Parker hit him, but that's moot, see above)

Originally posted by dadudemon

Ozy is the better H2H fighter, biiiig time. No contest there.

Ok.

Originally posted by dadudemon

Ozy also moves faster. Moved AFTER the bullet was shot at him, when standing stationary.

Yes. BUT. He was anticipating it. Silk Spectre held up the gun and pretty much said ok I'm going to shoot you now, are you ready?. He was preparing for it.

Other thing is, theres no way he could have caught the bullet if you watch the scene carefully, but I won't argue here cause it happened.

Originally posted by dadudemon

He moved out of the bullets way.

Spiderman moves out of the gun's aim's way.

There's a HUGE difference.

Thats not to say SM couldn't be as fast. Of course SM is going to move out of the gun's aim, theres no reason for him to stand there.

Flash fight shows SM can see things in Slo mo.

Overall, Spiderman shows he can be fast when in combat - fighting Doc Ock on the train. While Ozy didn't show any real speed during his H2H fights.

Originally posted by Placidity
Yes. BUT. He was anticipating it. Silk Spectre held up the gun and pretty much said ok I'm going to shoot you now, are you ready?. He was preparing for it.

He.....

😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

CAUGHT AN IMMER EFFIN' BULLET! What more proof do you need?

Originally posted by Placidity
Other thing is, theres no way he could have caught the bullet if you watch the scene carefully, but I won't argue here cause it happened.

We can't go by that logic at all. If we do, then spiderman's head and shoulders would have blown up with that grenade blowing up so close to him.

There's a billion other situations like that that come up in the spiderman films.

Originally posted by Placidity
Thats not to say SM couldn't be as fast. Of course SM is going to move out of the gun's aim, theres no reason for him to stand there.

But, no person can do that...he's immer effin' spiderman, man!

But that feat is greatly eclipsed by Ozy's bullet dodge feat.

Originally posted by Placidity
Flash fight shows SM can see things in Slo mo.

And Ozy bullet dodge scene shows that Ozy sees things even slower than Spidery.

Originally posted by Placidity
Overall, Spiderman shows he can be fast when in combat - fighting Doc Ock on the train. While Ozy didn't show any real speed during his H2H fights.

Except, no.

Spiderman showed normal speed with nothing real in the form of honed martial art skill. Ozy showed not only faster fighting, but much more skilled fighting.

Are we going to go round and round with the speed of fighting? If we are, then we will stop it here. Hits and movements per second is higher with Ozy. Fact. Arguing against that is asinine.

Originally posted by dadudemon

And Ozy bullet dodge scene shows that Ozy sees things even slower than Spidery.

Ok, now I know you are talking about the earlier scene.

* Ozy does not see things slower than Spiderman, or see things slow at all perhaps. In the Flash fight scene, Peter was shown to be moving at normal speeds, while Flash's punches appeared in slow motion to him.

* In the scene you are talking about, everyone was shown to be moving at slow motion. Basically, the scene was shot in slow motion.

* The gunman was not trying to shoot Ozy at all. He WORKED for Ozy. Obviously they had some other plan worked out and he didn't know Ozy was going to turn on him and kill him. If you look at his aim, half the time he was aiming at other crap, like his first shot some random woman in the lower leg and then some guy in the chest, none of those people were close to Ozy.

Originally posted by Placidity
Ok, now I know you are talking about the earlier scene.

* Ozy does not see things slower than Spiderman, or see things slow at all perhaps. In the Flash fight scene, Peter was shown to be moving at normal speeds, while Flash's punches appeared in slow motion to him.

No, spiderman was seen moving in slow motion, still. Just not as slow as Flash. Watch his eyes again.

And, yes, Ozy moved after the shot. Not before. Making both his reaction time and speed faster than Spides.

Originally posted by Placidity
* In the scene you are talking about, everyone was shown to be moving at slow motion. Basically, the scene was shot in slow motion.

Logical fallacy. You begin this line of reasoning with incorrect data. Spiderman was moving in slow motion, as well. Just not as slow as flash.

Ozy was to. The difference is Ozy's perception.

And, if I get some video of the Watchman, I'll prove that Ozy moved at MUCH greater speeds than required for superhuman.

Basically, Ozy is on a whole other level of perception and speed, compared to Spiderman.

Originally posted by Placidity
* The gunman was not trying to shoot Ozy at all.

Sounds like someone didn't pay attention to the movie.

Originally posted by dadudemon

Sounds like someone didn't pay attention to the movie.

Indeed (not me).

Regardless if Spidey can punch a human's face in or not, he can surely dodge bullets better than Ozy. So what does Ozy have to go on? Just try to physically hurt Spidey with punches and kicks? He'd tire, I think. Spider-Sense is the winning factor here.

Originally posted by Placidity
* In the scene you are talking about, everyone was shown to be moving at slow motion. Basically, the scene was shot in slow motion.

Originally posted by Magee
The part where the guy starts shooting actually shows Ozy moving quite fast since it's in slow motion but he is moving and reacting while every one else is pretty much a statue.

Thats because they were standing still. Whichever way you spin it, it doesn't compare to the Flash Fight scene.

The German is correct.

Originally posted by Robtard
Seen a guy get both his mandible broken and suffered a severe fracture to the cheek bone by being punched in a street fight. Have to wonder how the puncher managed to generate that much 'inertia'; power too, since be he didn't have any sort of 'anchoring.' The beaten also suffered varies cuts and bruises from the strikes. Odd.

Indeed. Thats how it happens.
Cutting is often caused by the twist on the last six inches or so of a punch. The friction and twisting wrenches and cuts the skin, often helped by bits of the face where the skin is by angular bits of skill (around eye sockets/cheekbones in particular)

All the anchoring such punching needs is a slight lowering of the puncher's stance, going flat footed, and therefore center of gravity, then bang....

Bare knuckle, if you punch with the force that you normally would hit a bag with gloves on, with full body weight behind the shot, breaking the guys face is normally guaranteed, along with breaking your hand.

(The last time I defended myself physically, that happened. With two fast full body weight shots with the right hand, my right hand was broken along the two smaller knuckles... And it wasnt down to sloppy punching. Those who saw him in the weeks after that would argue that he came off worse, but being a guitarist though, my picking hand being out of commission for two months was argueably more of a pain in the arse that it would seem worth.)

Originally posted by Scythe
Regardless if Spidey can punch a human's face in or not, he can surely dodge bullets better than Ozy. So what does Ozy have to go on? Just try to physically hurt Spidey with punches and kicks? He'd tire, I think. Spider-Sense is the winning factor here.

You mean the opposite.

Ozy can dodge bullets better than Spidey.

And, I've said it about a dozen times now.

Ozy loses without a blade.

However, I'm certain that he could win, H2H, 6/10 times.

Originally posted by Placidity
Thats because they were standing still. Whichever way you spin it, it doesn't compare to the Flash Fight scene.

The opposite is true.

The Flash fight scene doesn't even come close to being as slow as the Ozy scene. This is fact.

The bullet is traveling rather slow. Do you know how fast bullets travel?

Do you know how fast Ozy had to move, relative to the speed of the bullet, in order for him to move out of the way?

You can do a frame by frame, and calculate that his body had to move at superhuman speeds in order to get out of the way of the bullet, like he did.

I don't have the vid, but there's no comparison between the Flash scene and the Spiderman scene, as far as speed goes. Just estimating, but ozy would have had to move around 10 times faster than spidey. (Prolly closer to 9)

Now do you see why I think everyone else is the fanboy of Spiderman and I'm the only one being objective?

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
(The last time I defended myself physically, that happened. With two fast full body weight shots with the right hand, my right hand was broken along the two smaller knuckles... And it wasnt down to sloppy punching. Those who saw him in the weeks after that would argue that he came off worse, but being a guitarist though, my picking hand being out of commission for two months was argueably more of a pain in the arse that it would seem worth.)

Wait wait.

You fought?

I thought you told me that it would be immature for me to fight that guy who was physically threatening me?

And your Knuckles broke?

WTF?

My knuckles have never broken.

I've seen someone break their metacarpals once in a fight...and it was only because they didn't workout/train/fight regularly.

You're not a very big dude. You can either generate a SHITton of force with your punches, or your bones are weak.

In This Thread: People who don't movies.

Spider-Man has something that borders on pre-cognition, this was explicitly stated in the movie. Regardless of whether or not it was shown, he has it. Fact.

Ozymandias can only react once the bullet is fired, Spidey knows that it's going to be fired before it has happened.

Everything DDM said about Ozy is strictly true, but Spidey doesn't need to be faster than the bullet, he's faster than the event itself.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
In This Thread: People who don't movies.

Spider-Man has something that borders on pre-cognition, this was explicitly stated in the movie. Regardless of whether or not it was shown, he has it. Fact.

Ozymandias can only react once the bullet is fired, Spidey knows that it's going to be fired before it has happened.

Everything DDM said about Ozy is strictly true, but Spidey doesn't need to be faster than the bullet, he's faster than the event itself.

-AC

Sort of.

The Spidersense works when he isn't paying attention.

And it is rarely shown.

As I've stated already, Spiderman is so uber in the films, that Spidersense is almost useless. The only time he uses it is when he isn't paying attention. It works as a fail-safe against sneak attacks.

And, thank you for validating my points.

It was not stated in the movie, but I think it states in the comic that Ozy reacts so fast because he is hyper intelligent: knowing how the person will fire based on mannerisms, knowing when they pull the trigger to anticipate the shot, etc.

So Ozy's precog is really just him being absurdly smart.