Originally posted by dadudemon
I will not address any further attempts to justify a punch through human punch from movie Spiderman.
Just so we are clear the argument you are making is that guys who can dent metal and destroy brick work and concrete with errent blow can not do the same to human bones and tissue. Good grief man if thats the case why don't we build bunkers out of corpses instead of contrete or weapons out of bone instead of metal.
Lets have fun with a few other things you've said. The basis for your argument that Parker can't bust heads is a speed issue. Well lets see people have cracked each others skulls with such fine implement as rocks, hammers, and bats. Now bats and hammers aside for a moment. A rock isn't going to be much longer if at all then a persons arm, ecspecialy if they have it palmed. So any talk about the weapon adding to the leverage or fulcrum etc of the user is out. Rocks being heavy and the like tend to slow a swing down when used as a bludgeon. So speed is out. So how is it then that rocks can bust heads? Their is also the issue of hydraulic presses, car crushers and the like that while they do not move super fast. Crush cars. Unless of course you think a human is tougher then a car.
Lets address the issue of reaction time. Just before his fight with Flash we see how Parker views the world. I fly shown flapping its wings gets off maybe 2-3 flaps in 4 seconds(Parker time). Fly's in real life flap their wings something like 200 times a second. Even if we round up to 5 flaps in 4 seconds. It means Peter is experiencing a second like it is a minute more or less. Meaning that a bullet traveling at 400fps(Colt .45) would be the equivlent of an object moving at less then 10mph to Parker. Most of us could dodge 10mph projectiles and ball players hit objects traveling 100mph. In other words bullet move very slow for Mr. Parker. Much slower then they seemed to move for Adrien.
Originally posted by Nightstick
Just so we are clear the argument you are making is that guys who can dent metal and destroy brick work and concrete with errent blow can not do the same to human bones and tissue. Good grief man if thats the case why don't we build bunkers out of corpses instead of contrete or weapons out of bone instead of metal.
No. That's not what I said at all. I am saying that Spiderman cannot generate enough speed in a punch, unless anchored, in order to accomplish that. There's not arguing this point. It's simple physics. In order for Spiderman to pull that off, he'd have to punch near about half the speed of a bullet.
Originally posted by Nightstick
JLets have fun with a few other things you've said. The basis for your argument that Parker can't bust heads is a speed issue. Well lets see people have cracked each others skulls with such fine implement as rocks, hammers, and bats. Now bats and hammers aside for a moment. A rock isn't going to be much longer if at all then a persons arm, ecspecialy if they have it palmed. So any talk about the weapon adding to the leverage or fulcrum etc of the user is out. Rocks being heavy and the like tend to slow a swing down when used as a bludgeon. So speed is out. So how is it then that rocks can bust heads? Their is also the issue of hydraulic presses, car crushers and the like that while they do not move super fast. Crush cars. Unless of course you think a human is tougher then a car.Lets address the issue of reaction time. Just before his fight with Flash we see how Parker views the world. I fly shown flapping its wings gets off maybe 2-3 flaps in 4 seconds(Parker time). Fly's in real life flap their wings something like 200 times a second. Even if we round up to 5 flaps in 4 seconds. It means Peter is experiencing a second like it is a minute more or less. Meaning that a bullet traveling at 400fps(Colt .45) would be the equivlent of an object moving at less then 10mph to Parker. Most of us could dodge 10mph projectiles and ball players hit objects traveling 100mph. In other words bullet move very slow for Mr. Parker. Much slower then they seemed to move for Adrien.
I didn't read the rest because it was most likely rubbish. You had a false premise so whatever you concluded would also be false. For further insight into why you typed too much just to be wrong, read the thread.
I'm going back on what I said earlier.
Ozy wins, unarmed, no problem. He beats Spiderman senseless.
Originally posted by Placidity
But. No. Sorry. Your whole style is troll.
Riiiiiight.
Saying that I wouldn't debate it anymore is the exact opposite of trolling.
Not to be rude, but you don't know what I troll is. I was the one being trolled, if there was any tolling. However, there was NO trolling from any side.
People are allowed their opinions and are most certainly allowed to debate them.
In fact, what you've done to RJ in the past really is trolling. What you're doing now is technically trolling.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Agreed.
And DDM did wellyou get 8 pages out of it, but his argument went the way of
Spiderman anchors himself to whatever he likes with his wallclimbing microhooks and smacks the c*** out of his target, be it wall, concrete or effeminate masked avenger human.
Ozy is faster, reacts faster, is smarter, is the better H2H fighter. That are facts.
Spiderman is marginally more agile, much more durable, and much stronger.
Ozy is strong enough to knock Spiderman out while avoiding everything spiderman can throw at him.
Originally posted by Darth Martin
No he isn't.
I'm sticking with that. Ozy's environment destructs put him strong enough to do Spidey damage.
However, I would put Spiderman at 15-20 times stronger. If spiderman gets anchored on a sturdy spot, as Robtard indicated, he could put a lot of strength behind one of his punches and send Ozy a few feet. However, it is extremely unlikely that Ozy will be even remotely slow enough for Spiderman to land a punch.
If it's just H2H, I could see Spiderman winning in that, Spiderman has Superhuman endurance. Spiderman could wage a war of attrition as Ozy would be doing minimal damage. The wrestler that fought spiderman seemed to at least affect Spiderman. Ozy, being much stronger, should be able to knock him out. But, Spiderman may last longer than Ozy can keep it up. Ozy would have to get quite a few good punches in before it knocked Spiderman out.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Ozy's environment destructs put him strong enough to do Spidey damage.Ozy would have to get quite a few good punches in before it knocked Spiderman out.
1. Don't know what you mean.
2. Spider-Man has taken a beatdown from a giant Sandman, Ock, and had debris thrown at him like car doors at fast speeds. I doubt Veidt will be knocking Spider-Man unconscious with the likes of kicks and punches.
Originally posted by Darth Martin
1. Don't know what you mean.
2. Spider-Man has taken a beatdown from a giant Sandman, Ock, and had debris thrown at him like car doors at fast speeds. I doubt Veidt will be knocking Spider-Man unconscious with the likes of kicks and punches.
1. Due to the environment destruction that Ozy was capable of, he should be strong enough to knock out spiderman, if you consider that the cage fighter, is is merely a "strong human" dazed spiderman.
2. Flying cars are <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Ozy's bullet dodge feat. Also, Spiderman was being hit on the chest, not the head. He was still fairly dazed from that, though. Reality: based on previous damage Spiderman shows, those hits should have split Spiderman's chest wide open. Spiderman's bones, however, never crushed in anything he did...so I cannot say that his rib cage should have broken from those impacts as we can only go by movie feats.
Originally posted by Darth Martin
1. What enviorment destruction? You make it sound as if he's the Hulk or some living, walkng tornado.
No. It's just like.....I dunno...something common said.
Originally posted by Darth Martin
2. Veidt couldn't take being pounded by a giant Sandman. Doubt he could take much of Ock's attacks either.
Ozy would figure out a way to destroy Sandman, without having to fight him.
He could fight with Oc, no problem. Those arms are slow moving to Veidt, compared to his perception of time.
Originally posted by dadudemon
1. Ozy would figure out a way to destroy Sandman, without having to fight him.
2. He could fight with Oc, no problem. Those arms are slow moving to Veidt, compared to his perception of time.
Seen a guy get both his mandible broken and suffered a severe fracture to the cheek bone by being punched in a street fight. Have to wonder how the puncher managed to generate that much 'inertia'; power too, since be he didn't have any sort of 'anchoring.' The beaten also suffered varies cuts and bruises from the strikes. Odd.