Ozymandias vs. Spiderman.

Not that comic feats matter in here, but I don't think that was stated in the comics, the brain thing, as Ozy wasn't shot at in the comics the first time, his assistant was shot, he then proceeded to beat the piss out of the hitman. He joked that that if the hitman hadn't shot his assistant, he would have had to just catch it.

When Silke shot him, it was similar to the movies, she fired and he raised his hand/twisted about fast enough to catch it.

All in all, comic's Ozy is more bad-ass, as he didn't have a bullet-proof glove, he just caught the bullet and it made his hand bleed some.

Originally posted by dadudemon
No. That's not what I said at all. I am saying that Spiderman cannot generate enough speed in a punch, unless anchored, in order to accomplish that. There's not arguing this point. It's simple physics. In order for Spiderman to pull that off, he'd have to punch near about half the speed of a bullet.

Sorry pal. You've got 2 option 1) You are saying that a guy that can dent metal and shatter concrete with blows(Spider-man that is) can not do the same to a person or 2 He can. If its 1 then not only is it rediculas, but you just denied it above. If its 2 then you have been saying the exact opposite the entire time.

In other words make up your damn mind.

Originally posted by dadudemon

I didn't read the rest because it was most likely rubbish. You had a false premise so whatever you concluded would also be false. For further insight into why you typed too much just to be wrong, read the thread.

If this was an attempt to be clever or funny. It failed miserably. Not only is the entire pretence wrong. The whole your conclusion most be wrong because you had a false premise bit, but shows either extreme lazyness on your part or an inability to debate.

Incase you actualy didn't read it, which borders on idiotic when you claim it is wrong. The rate at which Peter percieve the world means he is operating much faster then Ozy. Watch how slow the world moves around him just before the Flash fight. Specificly the fly who manages to flap its wings all of 2-3 times in what to Peter is 4 seconds. When in normal time fly's flap their wings about 200 times a second.

The other bit was about the fact that humans weilding blunt object even palmed rocks can crack skulls. So why not Spider-man?

Originally posted by dadudemon

I'm going back on what I said earlier.

Ozy wins, unarmed, no problem. He beats Spiderman senseless.

How exactly?

Originally posted by dadudemon
You mean the opposite.

Ozy can dodge bullets better than Spidey.

And, I've said it about a dozen times now.

Ozy loses without a blade.

However, I'm certain that he could win, H2H, 6/10 times.

The opposite is true.

The Flash fight scene doesn't even come close to being as slow as the Ozy scene. This is fact.

The bullet is traveling rather slow. Do you know how fast bullets travel?

Do you know how fast Ozy had to move, relative to the speed of the bullet, in order for him to move out of the way?

You can do a frame by frame, and calculate that his body had to m
Wait wait.

You fought?

I thought you told me that it would be immature for me to fight that guy who was physically threatening me?

And your Knuckles broke?

WTF?

My knuckles have never broken.

I've seen someone break their metacarpals once in a fight...and it was only because they didn't workout/train/fight regularly.

You're not a very big dude. You can either generate a SHITton of force with your punches, or your bones are weak.

Thats right. Im a reachy welterweight when at weight.

It was option A: Back then, I had sharp technique and it clearly was my day that day.
Good technique bangs. Especially when counterpunching an oncoming target. 🙂
Unfortunately its an old injury weak spot that hastily worsened that night.

Totally different situation:
That guy was bitching off at you and was smaller..

This guy had me at a big weight (not so much in height) advantage and he mouthed off at my then GF too as well as me, before hand, so when he went for it, Im glad I came out on top, as he could have done me a lot of damage.

Also I didnt make a thread about it.

Sorry btw I missed your post, initially.. (and consequently for this late reply.)

Originally posted by Robtard
Not that comic feats matter in here, but I don't think that was stated in the comics, the brain thing, as Ozy wasn't shot at in the comics the first time, his assistant was shot, he then proceeded to beat the piss out of the hitman. He joked that that if the hitman hadn't shot his assistant, he would have had to just catch it.

When Silke shot him, it was similar to the movies, she fired and he raised his hand/twisted about fast enough to catch it.

All in all, comic's Ozy is more bad-ass, as he didn't have a bullet-proof glove, he just caught the bullet and it made his hand bleed some.

He had a bullet proof glove?? I need to watch that again, sounds lame. Neat movie though, but that sucks the badassery of it all.

That would neatly explain a seemingly superhuman feat coming from a non superhuman.

When Spidey gets hold of him, he'll have to change his name to "Ownedmandias".

Originally posted by Scythe
He had a bullet proof glove?? I need to watch that again, sounds lame. Neat movie though, but that sucks the badassery of it all.

He was wearing heavy gloves similar to his costume and the bullet didn't go through the glove. Stands to reason, it was made Kevlar or something similar.

Comic-Ozy caught that shit barehanded and just bleed a little bit.

edit: If you google 'Ozymandias', there's pictures; you can see the glove.

LOL Rick Allen

Pretty sure it went through the glove and he started bleeding mhmm

It drew blood, yes, but the fact still remains his gloves are armored or else the bullet would have blown his hand off.

I don't recall blood and I do recall the bullet being clearly in his gloved palm. Have to watch that scene tonight.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
It drew blood, yes, but the fact still remains his gloves are armored or else the bullet would have blown his hand off.

It didn't blow his hand off because he's Ozy****ingmandias and thats what he ****ing does

Originally posted by Robtard
I don't recall blood and I do recall the bullet being clearly in his gloved palm. Have to watch that scene tonight.

Originally posted by Nightstick
Sorry pal. You've got 2 option 1) You are saying that a guy that can dent metal and shatter concrete with blows(Spider-man that is)

He sure can. Did you watch the film. 🙂

And, I'm not your pal, friend.

Originally posted by Nightstick
can not do the same to a person or 2 He can. If its 1 then not only is it rediculas, but you just denied it above. If its 2 then you have been saying the exact opposite the entire time.

In other words make up your damn mind.

See above. I changed my mind because I was tired of catering to the Spiderman fans.

Originally posted by Nightstick
If this was an attempt to be clever or funny. It failed miserably. Not only is the entire pretence wrong. The whole your conclusion most be wrong because you had a false premise bit, but shows either extreme lazyness on your part or an inability to debate.

Baseless conclusion. And, stop trolling. 😐

Originally posted by Nightstick
Incase you actualy didn't read it, which borders on idiotic when you claim it is wrong. The rate at which Peter percieve the world means he is operating much faster then Ozy. Watch how slow the world moves around him just before the Flash fight. Specificly the fly who manages to flap its wings all of 2-3 times in what to Peter is 4 seconds. When in normal time fly's flap their wings about 200 times a second.

I didn't read it, because it was most likely rubbish. Period.

And, your above point still fails. 😐

I've already told the Spiderman fans why it fails. I will not go over again.

No more trolling.

Originally posted by Nightstick
The other bit was about the fact that humans weilding blunt object even palmed rocks can crack skulls. So why not Spider-man?

Hardness.

And, this is a strawman argument.

We are not arguing about whether spiderman can bust open someone face, crack a skull, etc.

It was whether or not he could punch a hole through someone's head.

Originally posted by Nightstick
How exactly?

Already been covered. Feel free to read the whole thread. 😐

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
It was option A: Back then, I had sharp technique and it clearly was my day that day.
Good technique bangs. Especially when counterpunching an oncoming target. 🙂
Unfortunately its an old injury weak spot that hastily worsened that night.

That sucks. Seriously.

However, right now, you are probably in better shape than I am. I can only get about 500 jump ropes...and I am not doing any fancy foot work while doing those. You're probably in loads better shape.

So, in a street fight, I'd say you'd win 7/10 based on your speed and you being in better shape. Seriously.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Totally different situation:
That guy was bitching off at you and was smaller..

He was physically threatening me. It was the old, "okay. let's step outside, then."come back.

And just because someone is smaller, doesn't mean I should treat them like a lady. That's absurd.

If we weren't on campus, I would have beat him down.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
This guy had me at a big weight (not so much in height) advantage and he mouthed off at my then GF too as well as me, before hand, so when he went for it, Im glad I came out on top, as he could have done me a lot of damage.

Him being larger can mean jack in a fight.

However, mad props to you for sticking up for your girlfriend AND for winning the fight.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Also I didnt make a thread about it.

I made a thread about a follow through: should I or should I not fight off sight?

I didn't fight. I called off the fight, several seconds after I offered, due to maturity kicking in on the way to the door. Would that make me more mature than you, or did this "gent" come after you when you started mouthing back to him?

Details, man. DEtails. 🙂

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Sorry btw I missed your post, initially.. (and consequently for this late reply.)

No prob. It was worth it. Sadako: Defender of girlfriends and a bully ass kicker. 👆

DDM argument = "You're a fanboy." "You're a troll." "Because I said so *stamps little feet*."

Major "pwnage", that. I win.

Originally posted by Robtard
DDM argument = "You're a fanboy." "You're a troll." "Because I said so *stamps little feet*."

Major "pwnage", that. I win.

And your reasoning: because you said so.

And, I wear a size 12 shoe. 🙂

Do you really want me to go through everything I've already done, or do you want me to indulge the troll? All he has to do is read the damn thread.

Na, I've applied logic and objectivity.

I wear a 12-13, depending on the shoe make. 🙂 🙂

He may be a sock, but he's not trolling at the present.

Originally posted by Robtard
Na, I've applied logic and objectivity.

Even though Ozy is faster, physically, perception-wise, and is more intelligent?

Originally posted by Robtard
I wear a 12-13, depending on the shoe make. 🙂 🙂

Me too. Depends on the shoe make.

Originally posted by Robtard
He may be a sock, but he's not trolling at the present.

No. He's trolling. He's posting specifically to get a rise out of me...especially when all points were covered already.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Even though Ozy is faster, physically, perception-wise, and is more intelligent?

If he's faster, it's not by leaps and bounds. Unless he's got prep and is setting some trap, he's not going to out think the Spider-man punch or kick that will crush his face and break his bones, so he'll be the smartest dead-guy in the fight.

Originally posted by dadudemon
That sucks. Seriously.

However, right now, you are probably in better shape than I am. I can only get about 500 jump ropes...and I am not doing any fancy foot work while doing those. You're probably in loads better shape.

So, in a street fight, I'd say you'd win 7/10 based on your speed and you being in better shape. Seriously.

He was physically threatening me. It was the old, "okay. let's step outside, then."come back.

And just because someone is smaller, doesn't mean I should treat them like a lady. That's absurd.

If we weren't on campus, I would have beat him down.

Him being larger can mean jack in a fight.

However, mad props to you for sticking up for your girlfriend AND for winning the fight.

I made a thread about a follow through: should I or should I not fight off sight?

I didn't fight. I called off the fight, several seconds after I offered, due to maturity kicking in on the way to the door. Would that make me more mature than you, or did this "gent" come after you when you started mouthing back to him?

Details, man. Details. 🙂

No prob. It was worth it. Sadako: Defender of girlfriends and a bully ass kicker. 👆

Hahahaha yeah right. It was neither glamourous, nor entirely chivalrous as I was physically defending myself and caused a lot of bad feeling on both sides.. as there were a lot of mutual friends involved afterwards.

England was voted per person the place you are most likely to be assaulted in, in the EU and I live in a pretty shithole area violence wise, within that filled with pricks who dont know where the line is drawn. I let things go all the time. But when you are defending yourself you best do it quick and effectively or you could die having your head kicked in on the pavement or being stabbed. There are no queensbury rules. And the police often cant help you at that time.

Maturity wise, I did well, I thought. (Im a proponent of "If you can walk away then do so"😉 and I took shit all night from the ****, putting it down to his aggressive cokehead mentaility and rose above it 'til later on when he started getting abusive/dishing out threats that it was gonna get physical.
And when he did, I had no choice.

But thats enough thread derailing...

Feel free to continue the chat via PM, if you like, but the relevance of discussing this here has expired somewhat, I fear..