Ozymandias vs. Spiderman.

Originally posted by dadudemon

Solid object breaking ability goes to Ozy.

Originally posted by dadudemon

MUCH faster. We are talking almost Flash speed.

Troll Confirmed. Imped, you need to step in. This is trolling. He is posting complete rubbish. Ozy is 'almost' Flash speed? Please. That is beyond ridiculous. Let's be honest, he doesn't genuinely believe Ozy can move anywhere near as fast as the Flash can.

Also - 'Solid object breaking ability' ? Sorry but that directly correlates with strength. You're trying to sneak in some BS.

An "Internet troll" or "Forum Troll" is a person who posts outrageous message to bait people to answer.

Originally posted by dadudemon

All of Ozy's fights were brains. Even his brawl with Owl and Ror. He even predicted, correctly so, that they'd show up at his door step.

When the hell did he 'predict' this. Stop spreading lies.

Originally posted by Placidity
Troll Confirmed. Imped, you need to step in. This is trolling. He is posting complete rubbish. Ozy is 'almost' Flash speed? Please. That is beyond ridiculous. Let's be honest, he doesn't genuinely believe Ozy can move anywhere near as fast as the Flash can.

Also - 'Solid object breaking ability' ? Sorry but that directly correlates with strength. You're trying to sneak in some BS.

I'm sorry, but...I can't resist anymore.

You're a ****ing moron. If you would actually pay attention instead of pissing yourself over anything that doesn't soothe your Spiderman fanboyish butthurt, maybe you could see a different perspective. I've already shown why Ozy moves absurdly fast. You've seen it. You just are too much of a fanboy to realize it.

Flash speed is hyperbole, obviously. But he is moving at speeds relative to bullets.

Stop being an idiot. Stop calling troll every time you get butthurt. You have literally done nothing but troll this damn thread.

GTFO!

Originally posted by Placidity
When the hell did he 'predict' this. Stop spreading lies.

I guess telling them that he was expecting them to show up wasn't predicting them?

Idiot.

STFU and GTFO out of my thread.

If your aim is to get the thread closed by trolling, it won't happen.

I won't respond to you anymore. You're much too much of an idiot to warrant replying to.

Bewbz.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Bewbz.

Indeed. We need more bewbz and less Placidity.

Spider-Man is strong enough to stop a train. Has Ozy ever shown to be this strong in the movie? I don't think so. Spidey wins and the Daily Bugle headline will say "Spider-Man defeats Ozymandias" while Jameson goes ranting about the web slinger being a menace. The end.

Jameson has a funny stache.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I'm sorry, but...I can't resist anymore.

You're a ****ing moron. If you would actually pay attention instead of pissing yourself over anything that doesn't soothe your Spiderman fanboyish butthurt, maybe you could see a different perspective. I've already shown why Ozy moves absurdly fast. You've seen it. You just are too much of a fanboy to realize it.

Flash speed is hyperbole, obviously. But he is moving at speeds relative to bullets.

Stop being an idiot. Stop calling troll every time you get butthurt. You have literally done nothing but troll this damn thread.

GTFO!

I guess telling them that he was expecting them to show up wasn't predicting them?

Idiot.

STFU and GTFO out of my thread.

If your aim is to get the thread closed by trolling, it won't happen.

I won't respond to you anymore. You're much too much of an idiot to warrant replying to.

STFU Retard, you've been trolling this whole topic and everyone knows it. So you can GTFO *******.

You're just a dumbass trying to sound smart. Trying to involve all this physics lol. With all this 'inertia' talk lol, you have no clue what you are talking about do you? Just trolling and hoping everyone else is just as clueless as you and will just let it by?

Lol, Flash speed is a hyperbole. That's a convenient thing to say isn't it. Dumbass.

He predicted they were coming? Oh yea because he saw them walking towards his base on the surveillance cams retard.

You've been calling everyone on here a 'spider-man fanboy' except you. That should tell you something. Either you are a troll, or a complete retarded fanboy but won't admit it. Pick one.

Your TROLL LOG:

Originally posted by dadudemon

Including PIS, Spiderman can't punch hard enough to knock someone out. hahaha

Yea Okay, its not PIS that someone can lift over 10 tonnes with one arm but can't KO someone. Sure. Troll.

Originally posted by dadudemon

Ozy dodges bullets like they're nothing, and, unlike Spiderman, he was dodging them from a highered assassin, not a bank robbing street thug.

Lies. The assassin was not even trying to kill him. Troll

Yet, Oto didnt' even bleed or bruise.

Therefore, Niteowl is > Spiderman in strenght. 😆

Trolling again.

I won't quote it here (just too much) but, you troll style becomes apparent with your little bullshit statements followed by. This is fact. You are wrong. Fact. DDM is acting like retard with some sort of authority. Fact

Originally posted by dadudemon

No, it all actuality, you're being a Spiderman fanboy.

Originally posted by dadudemon

Just stop. Your logic is so pitiful.

Originally posted by dadudemon

Spiderman winning is almost assured, unless Ozy gets a blade. Focus on that.

Originally posted by dadudemon

Doesn't look like Ozy wins without a blade.

Oh what do we have here. Admitting SM would win, but of course obvious troll must continue to troll.

Originally posted by dadudemon

I'm going back on what I said earlier.

Ozy wins, unarmed, no problem. He beats Spiderman senseless.

😆

Originally posted by dadudemon
Uh. No. Sorry. Just because everyone else is a Spiderman fanboy, doesn't mean I'm a troll.

No yea it does actually.

Originally posted by dadudemon
He only messed up because he didn't account for Manhatten to be able to reconstitute himself. By all his "numbers" and "math", it should have worked, and it did. It's just that, Manhatten pulled himself together again...something that doesn't make sense unless a soul exists.

Not really a troll post here but retarded nonetheless. The very first thing Manhattan learned to do was to reconstitute himself after he go disintegrated by the same method Ozy tried to use. Yea, sure that plan should've worked 🙄

Originally posted by dadudemon
This is a non-sequitor argument.

How could spiderman be knocked out when not hit in the head?

Non sequitur argument - how? wait, just trying to sound smart again I guess. He was hit in the head. Misinformation/Lying.

Originally posted by dadudemon

However, you and everyone else on this board can incorrectly believe that Ozy loses.

Yes everyone else is wrong except you. 🙄

Originally posted by dadudemon

I gimped Ozy for this fight, big time. It proves how much of Spiderman fanboys everyone is.

You didn't gimp shit. Oh yes, the everyone else is against me line QQ. Tells you something doesn't it.

You are an idiot. This is fact. 😆

Spider-Man. I mean Veidt is cool catching bullets and all, but he's not beating Peter h2h.

nb4 close. Sup Placidity?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
nb4 close. Sup Placidity?

Hi 🙂

DDM is my boy and I got no real problem wiith you, but man, I have learned a valuable lesson reading this thread.

Originally posted by Robtard

With the counter argument being that Spider-man can't punch hard at all, not even hard enough to knock-out Ozy, because he didn't do much to Ocks face, which is clear PIS, if we take in his strength feats. If I'm strong enough to support tons and tons, my human speed punch will still be packing more than just normal human force, far greater in fact.

Remember though, as we discussed before, velocity is more important than mass in determining power. Double the mass, double the energy, Double the velocity, quadruple the energy.

So while spiderman will have increasing power because of increased bone and muscle density/mass, he'd do far more damage if it was double the speed...Which it isn't.

Spider-Man is strong enough to stop a train. Has Ozy ever shown to be this strong in the movie? I don't think so. Spidey wins and the Daily Bugle headline will say "Spider-Man defeats Ozymandias" while Jameson goes ranting about the web slinger being a menace. The end.

Gotta love it when people wander into a thread and post without reading anything and then leave.

Originally posted by jaden101
Remember though, as we discussed before, velocity is more important than mass in determining power. Double the mass, double the energy, Double the velocity, quadruple the energy.

So while spiderman will have increasing power because of increased bone and muscle density/mass, he'd do far more damage if it was double the speed...Which it isn't.

So what are you saying?

Originally posted by Placidity
So what are you saying?

I'm saying that his strength feats of being able to stop trains doesn't correlate to how hard he'd be able to punch. Speed is a far greater factor than mass.

For example...If both Ozy and Spidey started off on the same base level...And Spidey doubled his bone and muscle mass but Ozy doubled his punch speed...Then Ozy would have a punch twice as hard as Spidey.

On a different note though, I do believe that Ozy's reaction to the bullet was more about reading Silke Spectre's face and body language than it was about pure reaction to the bullet. Much like the way drag racers dont physically react to the light changing to green but actually anticipate it and then begin the physical movement before the light actually changes.

Originally posted by dadudemon

However, neither you nor Butterbean come close to being nearly as intelligent as the fictional chacacters Ozy and Spiderman. Spiderman would be considered smart, in a room full of geniuses. Ozy would make a room full of Geniuses look stupid. I'd like to say that Spiderman didn't use just brawn in his fights in the films...but I'm drawing a blank.

All of Ozy's fights were brains. Even his brawl with Owl and Ror. He even predicted, correctly so, that they'd show up at his door step.

Nice backhanded insult.
I would wager that if you set an IQ test for me then against two characters who wouldnt even be able to show up for the test, due to their non existance, I would come out on top, thank you, also so would Butterbean.

You might by this logic be also smarter than Jenine Melnitz from Ghostbusters, and she knew how to operate a phone and wore glasses, she seemed pretty smart forsomeone who didnt exist, and man you would ownedz her lol.. 😖hifty:

As mentioned before The marble thing was Comic book movie PIS exaggeration.
Comedian (Human) head would be splattered all over that marble by rights.

Spiderman however has literally got superhuman abilities, being superhuman.. Advantage spidey. 🙂

No way would Ozymandias be able to deal with short range high speed web attacks or break free of the webbing, mosty likely.

Originally posted by jaden101
I'm saying that his strength feats of being able to stop trains doesn't correlate to how hard he'd be able to punch. Speed is a far greater factor than mass.

For example...If both Ozy and Spidey started off on the same base level...And Spidey doubled his bone and muscle mass but Ozy doubled his punch speed...Then Ozy would have a punch twice as hard as Spidey.

Wait why do you think speed is a greater factor?

Also, if Parker can only punch at normal speeds and obviously has normal mass, how did he send Flash Thompson flying about 10 meters back?

Analyzing fictional movie fights with in depth science doesn't work.

Originally posted by Placidity
Wait why do you think speed is a greater factor?

Also, if Parker can only punch at normal speeds and obviously has normal mass, how did he send Flash Thompson flying about 10 meters back?

Analyzing fictional movie fights with in depth science doesn't work.

The whole premise of Peter's abilities is what the spider bite did to his DNA and thus his body structure. The only explanation for why his bones don't snap like twigs and his muscles don't tear in half when he's stopping the train is extra durability through extra mass/density.

I don't think speed is a greater factor...It's a law of physics. If you double the mass of an object you double its kinetic energy...If you double the speed of an object you quadruple its kinetic energy.

Originally posted by jaden101

I don't think speed is a greater factor...It's a law of physics. If you double the mass of an object you double its kinetic energy...If you double the speed of an object you quadruple its kinetic energy.

Hm true. I was thinking of transfer of momentum.

Spider bite still doesn't explain his strength though. Altering DNA can't give him super strength the next day. And also, strength of muscles depend on cross section of muscle fibres. So in order for him to lift however many times, his muscles should probably be bigger than his torso.

Originally posted by Placidity
Hm true. I was thinking of transfer of momentum.

Spider bite still doesn't explain his strength though. Altering DNA can't give him super strength the next day. And also, strength of muscles depend on cross section of muscle fibres. So in order for him to lift however many times, his muscles should probably be bigger than his torso.

Size of muscles doesn't wholly dictate strength. Climbers are the best example. Their strength is huge but their size is small because it's all about power to weight ratio. It has a lot to do with many biological functions besides muscle density (heat dissipation, lung capacity etc)

I'm presuming, given that the bite changed a lot more besides his strength (eye sight for example) that many of his other physiological traits will have also been improved.

I actually think Spidey would win in an unplanned fight. I'm just pointing out that some of the arguments in here as to why he would win are...misguided.

Originally posted by jaden101
Size of muscles doesn't wholly dictate strength. Climbers are the best example. Their strength is huge but their size is small because it's all about power to weight ratio. It has a lot to do with many biological functions besides muscle density (heat dissipation, lung capacity etc)

Yes I'm not talking about power to weight ratio strength though (Bruce Lee would've been a good example as well for you). I'm talking about raw strength, like Olympic weight lifters.