Ozymandias vs. Spiderman.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Nah. It's simple physics, bro.

At a distance, while moving, from street thugs. We've been over this already.

Nah. We can't pull feats out of our ass. You know better.

This is when we use what's called logic. If Spiderman was seen going all out against a regular human with cybernetic arms, then we can only assume that he absolutely cannot punch through a human.

We also have how fast he was moving to also prove that.

No, it all actuality, you're being a Spiderman fanboy.

I've seen slow moving metal punches go through sheet metal, they used force, not speed to go through. Spider-man's punches travelling a human speeds combined with his physical strength would go through a skull.

Still dodging multiple rounds, one being a shotgun shattering.

Not pulling feats out of my ass, you're just playing games now. He's strong enough to stop a train, yet a human skull is just too much for him? Ridiculous. The Doc Ock not dying has been covered, Parker isn't a killer and ending Ock that fast would equate to us not having a film, same reason why Jedi don't use their force abilities more often.

It's a moot point anyhow, as one punch to the face (or anywhere really) would end Veidt, crushing bone or no.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Where is this fabled system from DC?

Originally posted by dadudemon
Also, that thing about Captain America. He bench pressed it, he didn't lift it over his head.

Originally posted by dadudemon
In the movie, Veidt is peak human intelligence, perception, reaction speed, strength, and durability.

Originally posted by Robtard
I've seen slow moving metal punches go through sheet metal, they used force, not speed to go through. Spider-man's punches travelling a human speeds combined with his physical strength would go through a skull.

Except, no they wouldn't and didn't.

That point is dead.

Originally posted by Robtard
Still dodging multiple rounds, one being a shotgun shattering.

Which is still not better than Veidt dodging a bullet AFTER it was fired at him while he was stationary.

Also, the spread on buckshot at that range is still fairly clustered.

Originally posted by Robtard
Not pulling feats out of my ass, you're just playing games now. He's strong enough to stop a train, yet a human skull is just too much for him? Ridiculous.

Except, no.

Not seen in the film and his punches are not fast enough to have enough inertia.

Originally posted by Robtard
It's a moot point anyhow, as one punch to the face (or anywhere really) would end Veidt, crushing bone or no.

No it wouldn't. His punches didn't crush Oc's skull or face.

This is not even a point, anymore, Robtard. It is not debatable. If it didn't happen in the film, it isn't a feat.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
That's my point. There is no such thing unless you go on DC Database by Wikia. No concrete site or hanbook for strength in DC to my knowledge.

Then we go by what comic book fans consider and also what real world feats are.

If we go by the real world, Veidt was superhuman in multiple categories.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
He holds a falling skyscraper over his head which is stated to be over 1000 lbs. Check the respect thread.

I'm not sure what you're referring to, then. Holding it over his head, however, is still not lifting. It's holding.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Depends. If we judge him by movie characters I'd say he's superhuman. He'd probably just be high level street(hovering around peak human more or less) if we took him movie feats and ranked him in the Comic Book Tiers thread.

Yup. 👆

Even in the comic books, peak human isn't necessarily the best.

No one in the real world can lift 800lbs over their head. Peak human would be someone who trained for years and reached genetic potential. No human has done that. So, the definition of peak human, even for comic books, is not really peak human, but a tad higher...when it comes to strength.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Except, no they wouldn't and didn't.

That point is dead.

Which is still not better than Veidt dodging a bullet AFTER it was fired at him while he was stationary.

Also, the spread on buckshot at that range is still fairly clustered.

Except, no.

Not seen in the film and his punches are not fast enough to have enough inertia.

No it wouldn't. His punches didn't crush Oc's skull or face.

This is not even a point, anymore, Robtard. It is not debatable. If it didn't happen in the film, it isn't a feat.

Instead of playing silly games, use logic, I'm sure you can. If a greater feat is done, it stands to reason a lesser one can be accomplished. Might as well argue that Superman can't crush a beer can, 'cuz he didn't crush one in the film'.

Originally posted by Robtard
Instead of playing silly games, use logic, I'm sure you can. If a greater feat is done, it stands to reason a lesser one can be accomplished. Might as well argue that Superman can't crush a beer can, 'cuz he didn't crush one in the film'.

No. You're missing it.

Spiderman would have to throw a punch absurdly fast to go through the bones. It's simple physics. He never is shown throwing punches absurdly fast. Sure, superhuman agility and durability is shown.

This is the last time I respond to "Spiderman can punch through heads." He simiple didn't and was shown otherwise.

Logic dictates that Spiderman can punch through a head. Great. Not what happens in the films. We can only guy by film feats. He was shown being pissed off and was trying his hardest to free his Aunt. Didn't happen and he couldn't punch fast enough to knock out Oc.

At worst, he would send Veidt a few feet. Still wouldn't knock out Veidt as he took just as much from The Comedian.

You're missing simple movie logic, many heroes could end a fight early and simpler, they don't, why? Because there's a movie to be had. It's also explained that in the Uncle Ben clause, that Parker isn't a killer and holds back.

-Gandalf should have just called in the hawk squadron, grabbed Frodo, jumped on the back of one of the birds, flown over Mt Doom and just dropped the ring (and Frodo) in, the end. But what kind of story would that be.

-Jedi should just use their force powers to take out shielded droids, they don't.

Anyhow, now you're saying Spider-man would only 'knock Veidt back a few feet at worst?' Talk about a willful adherence to illogic. He sent Flash flying far further than that, he also wasn't trying to kill him, as he would Veidt here.

Guess Superman can't punch through skulls either, 'cuz it wasn't shown.'

Originally posted by Robtard
Anyhow, now you're saying Spider-man would only 'knock Veidt back a few feet at worst?' Talk about a willful adherence to illogic. He sent Flash flying far further than that, he also wasn't trying to kill him, as he would Veidt here.

Guess Superman can't punch through skulls either, 'cuz it wasn't shown.'

Because:

1. Veidt is much much stronger than flash.

2. Veidt is much much more agile than flash.

3. Veidt is much much more durable than Flash.

🙂

Also, Superman wasn't seen fighting his hardest to save his "mom", now was he? 🙂

Originally posted by dadudemon
Because:

1. Veidt is much much stronger than flash.

2. Veidt is much much more agile than flash.

3. Veidt is much much more durable than Flash.

🙂

Also, Superman wasn't seen fighting his hardest to save his "mom", now was he? 🙂

Those three points have no bearing on Spider-man knocking Veidt back after he's been hit, which was your premise on Spider-man only 'knocking Vedit a couple of feet back, at the worst.' 🙂

Superman was seen punching at human speeds though; by your 'logic', he can't generate enough "inertia" to go through a human skull. 🙂

Does Ozy like have a super strong human skull? Or is he just flesh and bone like us?

Lol @ "Inertia"

Originally posted by Robtard
Gandalf should have just called in the hawk squadron, grabbed Frodo, jumped on the back of one of the birds, flown over Mt Doom and just dropped the ring (and Frodo) in, the end. But what kind of story would that be?

That story would be both funny and sad (but mostly funny).

Originally posted by dadudemon
Except, no they wouldn't and didn't.

That point is dead.

I disagree, DDM, I think that his point stands.
If you sledgehammered someone in the face at human speed with a sledgehammer, that face/skull would go through, man.

Superman would definitely through his mass etc be able to go through.
That it is likely that he can be punching at superspeed just cements the fact that the view that "Superman can punch through a human skull" is ridiculous.

This "Onscreen feats" rule when distorted to this extreme (like any rule distorted to the extreme in threads) is tantamount to the dual crimes of gimpery and tomfoolery, sir. 😛

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
I disagree, DDM, I think that his point stands.
If you sledgehammered someone in the face at human speed with a sledgehammer, that face/skull would go through, man.

This would be a no sequitor intertial fallacy.

Sledge weighs more. Also, the majority of the mass is at the end of the sledge. Also, a sledge is solid, meaning their is no inertial loss upon impact from the skin absorbing some of the translational energy, the bones "squishing" together, and the cartilage compacting.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Superman would definitely through his mass etc be able to go through.
That it is likely that he can be punching at superspeed just cements the fact that the view that "Superman can punch through a human skull" is ridiculous.

Superman could punch through a skull because he can move at super speed, has fought at superspeed, etc. When superman goes all out, it's obvious.

However, when Spiderman went all out, he couldn't even knock out a human. The answer is obvious: he wasn't swinging any faster than a regular human would...meaning he wasn't building up enough inertia to knock Oc the f*ck out.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
This "Onscreen feats" rule when distorted to this extreme (like any rule distorted to the extreme in threads) is tantamount to the dual crimes of gimpery and tomfoolery, sir. 😛

Glad I'm not doing that and you guys are, though.

I haven't given Ozy any feats that weren't shown on screen. Why should I do it for Parker?

Still, it still stands that Ozy loses without a blade.

I swear to jebus, as soon as I watch this film again, I'm going to check to see if Ozy ever had a blade: in his office, on his person, referenced, etc.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Superman could punch through a skull because he can move at super speed, has fought at superspeed, etc. When superman goes all out, it's obvious.

No, not according to movie feats, when we see Superman punch (in SM2), he punches are normal human speeds, ergo, by applying the same logic you applied to Spider-man above, he couldn't generate enough "inertia" to go through a skull.

Originally posted by dadudemon Not seen in the film and his punches are not fast enough to have enough inertia.

DDM brings up a good point in Ock. Is Spider-Man fighting in character or bloodlusted? Does Ock have superhuman durability?

Originally posted by dadudemon
At worst, he would send Veidt a few feet. Still wouldn't knock out Veidt as he took just as much from The Comedian.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
DDM brings up a good point in Ock. Is Spider-Man fighting in character or bloodlusted? Does Ock have superhuman durability?

Already covered with logic, Spider-man isn't a murderer, so he holds back, see: Uncle Ben's Law. Ock is just a human.

It would also make for a poor story, if the Hero just won in the first 15 mins.

If that's so Spider-Man must have been punching Ock at our level. Otherwise he wouldn't be able to get up.

For this thread, is Spider-Man fighting in character or is he bloodlusted. For Veidt it doesn't matter seeing in how he'll be going for the kill.

It's assumed that all VS characters are going all out, unless specified by the thread starter that they're holding back. For objectivity reasons.

So yes, Spider-man is trying to kill Veidt and Veidt is trying to kill Spider-man, to both their max potential.

Originally posted by Robtard
No, not according to movie feats, when we see Superman punch (in SM2), he punches are normal human speeds, ergo, by applying the same logic you applied to Spider-man above, he couldn't generate enough "inertia" to go through a skull.

The difference is Superman has gone superspeed. We see hum run superspeed, therefore, he can move his arms fast enough.

Pay attention.