Ozymandias vs. Spiderman.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
If that's so Spider-Man must have been punching Ock at our level. Otherwise he wouldn't be able to get up.

For this thread, is Spider-Man fighting in character or is he bloodlusted. For Veidt it doesn't matter seeing in how he'll be going for the kill.

Logic dictates that Spiderman WAS bloodlusted. Why would Spiderman let his Aunt die after Oc had killed many people, already?

Simple: he wouldn't. He learned his lesson with the thief that later killed Uncle Ben.

I will no longer debate the fanboyish idea that movie spiderman can punch through a human. He might be able to, but he didn't. He certainly never showed the ability to move fast enough to move his fist through human flesh. Superman has.

Originally posted by dadudemon
The difference is Superman has gone superspeed. We see hum run superspeed, therefore, he can move his arms fast enough.

Pay attention.

Originally posted by dadudemon
He might be able to, but he didn't. He certainly never showed the ability to move fast enough to move his fist through human flesh. Superman has.

Pay attention, you can not arbitarily decide when to take the "seen on film" rule to the most absurb regions, logic be damned, and then ignore the absurdness you dictated when it suits you.

So when has Superman punched at these super-speeds? Not ran, flown, jumped, skipped or farted; punched? If you can't show it, then by your 'logic', Superman can't generate the needed "inertia" in his fist to go through a skull.

Because Spider-man has moved at super-human speeds too, he was so when he was in the zone during the Flash fight scene.

Originally posted by Robtard
Pay attention, you can not arbitarily decide when to take the "seen on film" rule to the most absurb regions, logic be damned, and then ignore the absurdness you dictated when it suits you.

So when has Superman punched at these super-speeds? Not ran, flown, jumped, skipped or farted; punched? If you can't show it, then by your 'logic', Superman can't generate the needed "inertia" in his fist to go through a skull.

Because Spider-man has moved at super-human speeds too, he was so when he was in the zone during the Flash fight scene.

Pay attention.

Spiderman never moved at superspeeds.

"I will no longer debate the fanboyish idea that movie spiderman can punch through a human. He might be able to, but he didn't. He certainly never showed the ability to move fast enough to move his fist through human flesh. Superman has."

Originally posted by dadudemon
Spiderman never moved at superspeeds.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Pay attention.

Spiderman never moved at superspeeds.

"I will no longer debate the fanboyish idea that movie spiderman can punch through a human. He might be able to, but he didn't. He certainly never showed the ability to move fast enough to move his fist through human flesh. Superman has."

Ha, 'moving the goal post', now. Nice tactic.

Do get back to me when you're able to show where Superman punched at greater than normal speeds, 'cuz you know, seen on film, or they can't do it', logic be damned.

Or you can just stop being absurd and let logic in.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
He dodged Goblin's projectiles in the burning building. Why would he have to run? He spins webs.

The Flash fight scene is a perfect example. when the camera slows down to illustrate how fast he's moving in relation to Flash's punches.

Not that'd he'd need a faster punch than an average person's to tear flesh and crush bone, with the strength-level he's at.

That as well. It clearly shows time slowing down for Parker similar to as it does for Matrix characters.

Originally posted by Robtard
Ha, 'moving the goal post', now. Nice tactic.

Do get back to me when you're able to show where Superman punched at greater than normal speeds, 'cuz you know, seen on film, or they can't do it', logic be damned.

Edit: Hulk too, he never punched at super-speeds. So he can't go through bone or flesh either, it seems. 🙁

Or you can just stop being absurd and let logic in.

Since we know Superman can move at super speeds, then we can logically conclude that he could punch through a human body.

Since Spiderman never did, we can never assume, in consort with the films, that Spiderman can generate enough force to quickly punch through human flesh.

Sure, he could probably set a human on a piece of wood that had a hole in the center and as long as he could get enough leverage, he could force his fist through the guts of that human. But where is he going to get the leverage? Even if spiderman is standing straight up with one fist right on the human's guts, that is still not nearly enough force to push through the flesh.

Do you understand NOW why Spiderman didn't punch through Doc Oc's head?

Spiderman COULD have ripped Doc OC's head off. FACT.

Spiderman COULD rip Ozy's head off. FACT.

You can debate that point, if you want to. 🙂

Fail on Hulk, btw.

1. Hulk can generate enough explosive speed. If he were the size of Parker, he could punch right through flesh. Newb.

2. Hulk's arm weighs more than Parker does. With his explosive speed, sure he could punch through flesh...if it were a blue whale.

3. You newb. Hulk's fist has some much surface area that it would just smash and crush the flesh and bone. It would pulverize it. Part of creating enough inertia is also creating enough concentrated force, in a small area, in order to punch through the flesh.

I've already told you why he didn't crush Ock's face; it's not because he lacks the physical ability to do it. Ock didn't even bleed, even if Parker where human, Ock would have had a bloody nose.

If you were given the tremendous level of strength capable of stopping a 250 ton out of control train being pushed by the several thousand tons of torque it's engines where generating, you could go through someone's face, while only punching as fast as you can now.

In short: Unless you're exceptionally slow, a human's punch is fast, very fast, add super-duper strength; there you have it.

So just stop and apply logic.

Originally posted by Robtard
I've already told you why he didn't crush Ock's face; it's not because he lacks the physical ability to do it. Ock didn't even bleed, even if Parker where human, Ock would have had a bloody nose.

If you were given the tremendous level of strength capable of stopping a 250 ton out of control train being pushed by the several thousand tons of torque it's engines where generating, you could go through someone's face, while only punching as fast as you can now.

In short: Unless you're exceptionally slow, a human's punch is fast, very fast, add super-duper strength; there you have it.

So just stop and apply logic.

Fact fail.

The train weighed more.

The engines were turned off at one point.

A human punch is VERY slow, relative to a bullet. And spiderman can't punch faster than bullets, but Ozy can certainly react faster than bullets. 🙂

Just stop. Your logic is so pitiful.

Show me where parker punches fast enough to punch through flesh. Show me where he moved his fists fast enough to do so.

I'll concede the point if you do.

Both your superman and Hulk excuses were pitiful, as well.

Again, this isn't about Spiderman winning. It's about Ozy losing.

Spiderman winning is almost assured, unless Ozy gets a blade. Focus on that.

-It was a rough estimate, train weighing more only adds to the tons of force Parker could put behind a punch, unrestrained.

-Actually, the train conductor said "I can't stop it", after Ock set the train to full throttle and ripped out the controls.

-Objects don't have to travel as fast as bullet to break skin and bone.

-Parker punches at least as fast as an average person, probably faster, since he's lean and fit (from a movie standpoint, he can move at some degree of super-speeds, but we'll let that slide, just for you). Add several tons of force behind that average punch, combined with the smallish surface area of his knuckles/fist. It can go through human skin and bone.

-You set the absurb rules, if Superman and Hulk weren't shown punching at super-speeds, then by your logic, they can't generate enough "inertia" to go through, that's all you, son.

Originally posted by Robtard
-It was a rough estimate, train weighing more only adds to the tons of force Parker could put behind a punch, unrestrained.

-Actually, the train conductor said "I can't stop it", after Ock set the train to full throttle and ripped out the controls.

Yet, it stopped eventually with Parker's help. As soon as he let it go, it should have continued. This means that, eventually, the engines stopped driving the train.

I thought you would have picked up on that, being the "spiderman can punch through a human" person you are.

Originally posted by Robtard
-Objects don't have to travel as fast as bullet to break skin and bone.

This was never in question.

Originally posted by Robtard
-Parker punches at least as fast as an average person,

I agree. Probably faster?

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Originally posted by Robtard
-Add several tons of force behind that average punch, combined with the smallish surface area of his knuckles/fist. It can go through human skin and bone.

Except, no. He has to move his fist fast enough to do that. In order for him to produce that, he has to be able to put that strength behind the punch. He can't do it as he doesn't weigh enough and he can't move fast enough. He' have to anchor himself on something and use the strength of his body to do so.

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Originally posted by Robtard
-You set the absurb rules, if Superman and Hulk weren't shown punching at super-speeds, then by your logic, they can't generate enough "inertia" to go through, that's all you, son.

No. This is where you use deductive reasoning. Hulk can produce massive forces, causing himself to move very fast. Much faster than a human. Absurdly faster. He moved like a 1000 miles in a day. His body can generate a shit ton of force, in split seconds, or else he couldn't launch himself as far as he can. Do you know how fast his legs have to move in order for him to propel himself in such a massive jump? That's what you're missing, Robtard.

I promise. Lol

this time...fer real

I will not address any further attempts to justify a punch through human punch from movie Spiderman.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Yet, it stopped eventually with Parker's help. As soon as he let it go, it should have continued. This means that, eventually, the engines stopped driving the train.

I thought you would have picked up on that, being the "spiderman can punch through a human" person you are.

This was never in question.

I agree. Probably faster?

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Except, no. He has to move his fist fast enough to do that. In order for him to produce that, he has to be able to put that strength behind the punch. He can't do it as he doesn't weigh enough and he can't move fast enough. He' have to anchor himself on something and use the strength of his body to do so.

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No. This is where you use deductive reasoning. Hulk can produce massive forces, causing himself to move very fast. Much faster than a human. Absurdly faster. He moved like a 1000 miles in a day. His body can generate a shit ton of force, in split seconds, or else he couldn't launch himself as far as he can. Do you know how fast his legs have to move in order for him to propel himself in such a massive jump? That's what you're missing, Robtard.

I promise. Lol

this time...fer real

I will not address any further attempts to justify a punch through human punch from movie Spiderman.

Because when an engine is forcibly stopped by outside means, it tends to stall. Most logical. Either way, train stopping was a show of complete burt force, engines or no.

He is anchored, as his feet/hands can stick to surfaces.

Ha, no. I know Hulk can go through flesh and bone, as he has the physical force to so so; that isn't the issue. The issue: Applying the logic you applied to Spider-man, he couldn't, 'cuz Hulk he never punched at super-speeds on film, ergo he can generate the inertia.' Spider-man can also jump great distances; he's done it on film. Not Hulk leaps, but super-human nonetheless.

You're absurdly twisting the 'seen on film' rule when you want, then dismissing what you laid before and applying logic when it suits you.

So. How about that durability of Spiderman?

Doesn't look like Ozy wins without a blade.

I'm astounded that this has gotten to 7 pages.

Jeez...Is this how I sounded in the Swagger/Batman thread?

If by "sounded" you mean, silly, illogical and whining, then yes; you also sound like that in most threads. 🙂

I kid.

🙄 I meant going on and on and on and on and on about the same thing.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Jeez...Is this how I sounded in the Swagger/Batman thread?

In a word...Yes.

Lesson learned, man.....Its a two way street, though.