Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Well, when the agent is getting off the leer jet after the shot, these are his exact words:"I can't be sure, he never works again so quickly. But the Russians say that Belicoff was grazed by a single bullet from over four kilometers away."
So it's not like the agent was shown gauging the distance himself, it was more of an unofficial report.
Yeah, no. They know where Belicoff stood and they know where 47 made the shot from, as he left a nice little explosion of the area.
Go on, keep ignoring the "screen feats" rule and downplaying the character you dislike, it's your only method. Funny, but sad, considering.
Originally posted by RobtardI was simply quoting what Dougray Scott said, word for word.
Yeah, no. They know where Belicoff stood and they know where 47 made the shot from, as he left a nice little explosion of the area.Go on, keep ignoring the "screen feats" rule and downplaying the character you dislike, it's your only method. Funny, but sad, considering.
Remember what you accused DDM and I of doing in the BB thread? Of using one fighting scene for SS against a whole movies worth for BB? That's precisely what you are doing now.
And another thing. You keep telling me to "stick to MVF rules." I am. I acknowledge 47's shot. And in return, I state Swagger's numerous feats compared to 47's one feat, and it goes unnoticed. Here they are again.
SWAGGER: Opening scene, Ethiopia: Swagger is shown leading his targets. Swagger takes out an attack chopper with a .50 cal sniper rifle. Swagger retreats 8 kilometers to safety, inflicting 70% casualties along the way on 100 men. 70 men, dude, with a sniper rifle.
Swagger is shown scouting three cities for a mock Presidential assassination. He determines Philly is the only possible location.
Swagger takes out 3 CIA men with a .22 rifle with a potato on the tip of the barrel for a suppressor.
Swagger takes out yet another chopper with his sniper rifle at the ranch.
End battle: Swagger takes on and kills two CIA snipers (I thought it was three), then shoots off Elias Koteas’s arm at the elbow while he has a shotgun at the head of Swagger’s woman.
Then there's Swagger saying this: "That's because long shots generally go places you wouldn't wanna have to go afterwords to have to confirm 'em. Confirmation's deskposts' problem. You know what it takes to make a shot at that range? Everything comes into play that far. Humidity elevation, temp, winds, spin-drift. There's a 6-10 second flight time so you have to shoot it where the targets going to be. Even the coriolis effect, the spin of the earth comes into play. The President will be wearing body armor, that means a head shot. You believe there's a shooter involved capable of making this shot?"
An entire movie of sniping, dude. SEVENTY MEN. For you to say that one feat outweighs this is lunacy.
And again, I acknowledge 47's shot. But what you have to realize is that 47 made whatever adjustments to his scope beforehand, so that all he had to do is center the crosshairs and squeeze the trigger. Nowm having said that, we see Swagger doing the same calculations, on a smaller level. All Swagger would have to do is double up on the math to make the 4k shot
Swagger's body count and knowledge of sniping far outweighs 47's skill as a sniper. So what if 47 made that long shot (Which Swagger could have made too), Swagger was SHOWN battling highly trained snipers, 47 was not.
There, I said my piece, you have all the evidence you need to see Swagger is the better sniper, acknowledge it, ignore it, whatever.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
47 made whatever adjustments to his scope beforehand, so that all he had to do is center the crosshairs and squeeze the trigger.
thats not how aiming a sniper rifle actually works in that regard... if it were as easy as you say it, simply making adjustments on the rifle, then 4 km would be a range that snipers would fire from. it isnt.
Originally posted by Ms.MarvelI know how to zero in a rifle, I have done it many times. He centered the crosshairs on Bellicoff's head. He had to make the necessary calibrations to his scope in order to do so. The scene literally shows his crosshairs centered on Bellicoff's head.
thats not how aiming a sniper rifle actually works in that regard... if it were as easy as you say it, simply making adjustments on the rifle, then 4 km would be a range that snipers would fire from. it isnt.
The hard part of sniping is knowing which adjustments to make, obviously. Just like in Shooter when Swagger calibrated his scope in order to center his crosshairs on the can of stew.
They can either do what 47/Swager did (adjust the scope) or adjust their aim, high or low, left or right, depending on many factors (distance, windage, leading the target, etc😉
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I was simply quoting what Dougray Scott said, word for word.Remember what you accused DDM and I of doing in the BB thread? Of using one fighting scene for SS against a whole movies worth for BB? That's precisely what you are doing now.
While ignoring that the police and Interpol know exactly where the shot came from and where it ended, as seen.
When it comes to sniping, which is strictly what we're talking about here, that one shot, since it's nigh impossible in the real world(fantasy/fiction), buries Swagger.
Your comparison is flawed, as SS didn't have a H2H fight scene at all, BB has several.
Fanboy? It seems we have a lot of Bond fanboys here. BTW, I haven't even played A2 yet. What I'm trying to point out is that you don't need fancy weaponry to kill your target or the best h2h. When the target is least suspicious that's when you strike. Bond is drinking and the knife is in his back. Clever deception is what makes a great assassin.
Also the .22 is an assassin's caliber (short range). The IRA use it for example (AR-15) and the PPK Walther. Military and Law Enforcement use higher caliber for more effective ranges.
Nearly forgot - Truculent mens "merciless temper." Old school English there.
Originally posted by Darth Truculent
Fanboy? It seems we have a lot of Bond fanboys here. BTW, I haven't even played A2 yet. What I'm trying to point out is that you don't need fancy weaponry to kill your target or the best h2h. When the target is least suspicious that's when you strike. Bond is drinking and the knife is in his back. Clever deception is what makes a great assassin.Nearly forgot - Truculent mens "merciless temper." Old school English there.
Like I said, people have tried to sneak up on Bond and take him out that way. They're dead for it. Bond's not strictly an assassin, but he's better than some 12th century robe wearer. Get off Altair's nuts.
Epic and deep, man.
Originally posted by Robtard
While ignoring that the police and Interpol know exactly where the shot came from and where it ended, as seen.When it comes to sniping, which is strictly what we're talking about here, that one shot, since it's nigh impossible in the real world(fantasy/fiction), buries Swagger.
Your comparison is flawed, as SS didn't have a H2H fight scene at all, BB has several.
There's more to sniping tha one shot one kill, Rob.
No, its a prefect comparison. And its exactly what you are doing now.
Feats? Swagger has them in spades, 47 has ONE.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
There's more to sniping tha one shot one kill, Rob.No, its a prefect comparison. And its exactly what you are doing now.
Feats? Swagger has them in spades, 47 has ONE.
'One shot one kill' is pretty much the upper-crust of sniping, actually. Pretty sure most snipers aim to kill their target in as few shots as possible; that's one.
No, it's not. SS doesn't have even one H2H fight, compared to multiples that BB has. So it's 0 to 3, in the SS vs BB debate.
Which begs the question, why did you argue for Sideswipe, if more equals the winner in your view? Seems you can't keep your arguments in line.
Originally posted by RobtardOne shot one kill is when they take out someone like the President or the Ethiopian dude. Here, Swagger against 47, they will be stalking one another. Swagger did this onscreen and pwned, Swagger made shots while under grenade and .50 cal fire, Swagger took out an attack chopper which was gunning for him. 47 hasn't done any of these. Advantage Swagger.
'One shot one kill' is pretty much the upper-crust of sniping, actually. Pretty sure most snipers aim to kill their target in as few shots as possible; that's one.No, it's not. SS doesn't have even one H2H fight, compared to multiples that BB has. So it's 0 to 3, in the SS vs BB debate.
Which begs the question, why did you argue for Sideswipe, if more equals the winner in your view? Seems you can't keep your arguments in line.
Fine, ignore my question. Any how.
We're talking about sniping here; 47 has the best advantage over Swagger in that regard, he can hit him at over twice the distance, while being out of Swagger's kill range.
If it's a "stalking" style of scenario, 47 has that advantage too, as per the film, 47 is "an expert in all forms of combat."
And Swagger is "the best". Difference is, we can SEE Swagger hunting and stalking TWO snipers at a time. Actions speak louder than words. Rob. What is SEEN trumps what is IMPLIED. "The Best" is far superior to "being an expert."
As for the distance thing, Bob Lee will know 47 can shoot that far. He will simply double up on the math, make the necessary adjustments to his rifle, and he will be able to shoot that far.
Advantage still waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay in Bob Lee's favor.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
And Swagger is "the best". Difference is, we can SEE Swagger hunting and stalking TWO snipers at a time. Actions speak louder than words. Rob. What is SEEN trumps what is IMPLIED. "The Best" is far superior to "being an expert."As for the distance thing, Bob Lee will know 47 can shoot that far. He will simply double up on the math, make the necessary adjustments to his rifle, and he will be able to shoot that far.
Advantage still waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay in Bob Lee's favor.
LoL, no. Swagger couldn't make a 2.48 mile shot, going by what is seen in the movie Shooter. Stop being a silly fanboy.