Thor AND Wonder Woman vs Superman and Captain Marvel

Originally posted by Spire
What were you trying to prove by posting scans of Superman being hurt?

I know! Before you posted the scans no one thought he could be hurt. Ever. I guess you proved everyone wrong.

Yes, the scan was proof that Thor can be nerve struck.

Thor's attention elsewhere just like Superman's.

My scan of Thor showed how powerful he is. The moment he realized it was a machine he destroyed it.

Originally posted by Nihilist
When Supes beat him down like a chump.

The hv blasts that Thor ran through wasn't there to massage his muscles either.

Look. More things I learn from Thor supporters!

Apparently Thor has a tiara that can cut Superman's throat. Or can speedblitz-sucker-punch Superman and break his jaw in a fight (yes, Thor obviously gets to sucker-punch Superman in order to make it fair and even gain momentum if so he desires!). Or throw the hammer through his chest because Air-Walker=Superman and Superman hasn't already gotten one to the face in JLA Avengers!

Originally posted by quanchi112
Supes was barely standing after their melee. He also admitted that with the quality of Thor that the fight basically could have gone either way. Thor admits later he has had his measure and the fight would go differently. He won't be shocked if he catches another hammer strike and drop his guard.

The hv blasts that Thor ran through wasn't there to massage his muscles either.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Context. He didn't just have a headache he needed reconstructive surgery on his jaw. The guy wasn't stronger than him either. It was for all intents and purposes his equal.

Thor's attention elsewhere just like Superman's.

My scan of Thor showed how powerful he is. The moment he realized it was a machine he destroyed it.

Ah, so you admit that you're a shitty true Thor fan and that all you scans did was show Superman being hurt.

Supes being aware, unaware, happy, sad, sleepy, etc. doesn't really matter.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Look. More things I learn from Thor supporters!

Apparently Thor has a tiara that can cut Superman's throat. Or can speedblitz-sucker-punch Superman and break his jaw in a fight (yes, Thor obviously gets to sucker-punch Superman in order to make it fair and even gain momentum if so he desires!). Or throw the hammer through his chest because Air-Walker=Superman and Superman hasn't already gotten one to the face in JLA Avengers!

Since when did anyone say that Thor throws her tiara at Superman!!!!

Either combatant can really devastate him if his attention is elsewhere. I guess in a superman thread your brain shuts down and you forget this is a team thread in which it's Thor/WW vs. Marvel/Superman.

I never said he'd throw it through his chest. If he throws it at his face it does more than breaks his jaw. He can throw it at the speed of light. He killed an opponent who just previously held his own with a holding back Thor. Once the glows were off he killed him, easily.

Please try and keep up.

Thor's words and Superman's words from jla/avengers signify it could have gone either way. Couple that with the fact Thor does much better against most opponents the second time around and has already felt his strength.

Originally posted by Nihilist
All in all Supes still won and had more in the tank and was stronger, and the shocked excuse Thor fans reel out is laughable.

Thor's shock is the reason he lost the fight imo.

Originally posted by Spire
Ah, so you admit that you're a shitty true Thor fan and that all you scans did was show Superman being hurt.

Supes being aware, unaware, happy, sad, sleepy, etc. doesn't really matter.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I agree Supes is slightly stronger. The hv also took something out of Thor. I hear how great it is all the time but now I guess it did nothing but gently breeze over Thor's skin in this fight.

Thor's shock is the reason he lost the fight imo.

Supes was shocked at how easy he stopped the hammer, and now he has Thors measure he just turns his dials up to 11 from the start and beats him down again.

Yay, idiots are on the crossover again! Despite it not being valid evidence here and whatnot, we still manage to rack up at least one page of that shit being discussed. It sure is a shame that Superman and Thor do not have enough appearances in their own comics!

Originally posted by Philosophía
Or throw the hammer through his chest because Air-Walker=Superman and Superman hasn't already gotten one to the face in JLA Avengers!

Originally posted by Nihilist
Supes was shocked at how easy he stopped the hammer, and now he has Thors measure he just turns his dials up to 11 from the start and beats him down again.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You get so riled up over this stuff. Your scans set this all in motion. You keep ignoring the severity of the damage done in both scans. Thor was simply ko'd while Supes clutched his throat in one scan and held his broken jaw in another.

In other words, you're a shitty true Thor fan and you posted scans showing Superman getting hurt. Something we already knew.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Iyo. Look at Rulk the second time around. Thor had the same power and completely dominated Rulk while Supes barely bested him in the first place. Couple that with Thor's words and Superman's words immediately after the fight.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Quan's point was that Thor only uses a fraction of his strength. This seems to be the case with any hero though.

If that was his intention, he would have said so. The way he presented it seemed like just another tactic that he thinks would work on Superman, thus why he grouped it with Wonder Woman's tiara throw.

The direct confrontation is the most decisive evidence, even if not admissable on the forum. If we start going all argument-for-argument, you know that wouldn't go nowhere considering some of the "logic fueled" arguments used for Thor that I just don't have the patience for ("Thor overcoming infinite gravity!" "Thor withstanding a score of planets!" Silver Age hyperboles rule!).

Originally posted by Philosophía
If that was his intention, he would have said so. The way he presented it seemed like just another tactic that he thinks would work on Superman, thus why he grouped it with Wonder Woman's tiara throw.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Obviously. Thor doesn't just try to murder all his opponents on the spot. The moment he realized it was a machine he showed he had the power to destroy it with one hammer toss. This shows how much Thor holds back in most of his fights and what he is capable of.

Originally posted by Philosophía
The direct confrontation is the most decisive evidence, even if not admissable on the forum. If we start going all argument-for-argument, you know that wouldn't go nowhere considering some of the "logic fueled" arguments used for Thor that I just don't have the patience for ("Thor overcoming infinite gravity!" "Thor withstanding a score of planets!" Silver Age hyperboles rule!).

You don't have the patience for certain people. The feats they use are no more ludicrous than your own. Comics are built on this stuff and to try and make some of them invalid because you disagree with possible exaggeration is something only a damn hypocrite would do.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
He said it right there. Responding to me saying that Thor's attack would not do the same to Superman. He did say so, it was clearly his intention. He said it right there.

You'll have to excuse me if I don't read all of his posts, or his lack of ability to properly express his arguments in the initial post.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Only, it's not evidence. It's also funny how you have soooo much tolerance for DC bullshit, yet any hyperbole by Marvel is just out there. Like Superman lifting the book of infinite pages along with 5-Captain Marvel. Clearly he cannot lift "half" of infinite weight, but we still use it as a strength feat. It is somewhat supported by Superman having as much strength as he needs to. Which is also the ase with Thor. What makes it more feasible for Thor is that he is -actually- one of a kind, unlike Superman. Superman's powers are racial where as Thor is a unique combination unlike any other in the universe....almost.

You don't have the patience for certain people. The feats they use are no more ludicrous than your own.

Not evidence under the forum regulations, true. We know both that within the story context Superman/Captain Marvel lifting infinite weight is valid and it's in no way comparable to random villain shouting 'infinite gravity!!!' or Thor randomly shouting 'taking scores of planets!'. But even so, you won't see me going all "Superman has infinite strength!" in threads, at least when I'm serious, and without provocation.

I would like to interject here. Thor in now way Struck Superman with the mightiest of the Hammer Blows. Had He struck Superman with a flying hammer toss or one where he swirls the hammer around giving it infinite mass in his light speed thing, Superman would have been dead, or KO'd. The trick is, Can Thor His Superman with such an attack. Superman has also been injured by Magical Lightning before at the hands of Captain Marvel, which of Course Thor can do. Also, Lightning has Depowered the marvel's before. Wonder Woman knows this. During the fight she can easily call out that tactic and have Thor Rain Lightning every where. Nieither Superman nor CM are putting Wonder Woman down in any amount of real time. Hell, she's the one with the one hit powers. On the other hand, Team two has Speed advantage. Superman is faster in movement speed than Thor or Wonder Woman. CM is faster than Thor but slower than Wonder Woman. So it would be smart to have Wonder Woman, who's reflext speed is Faster than Superman's combat speed, hold him off while Thor depowers CM. Or he BFR's him easily enough. HE did it to Juggernuat and I can see it working on CM. ALL in all, I'd say this would be an epic fight that can go many ways. Team one are the true killers tho. Neither Thor nor Diana have a problem killing if need be.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Not evidence under the forum regulations, true. We know both that within the story context Superman/Captain Marvel lifting infinite weight is valid and it's in no way comparable to random villain shouting 'infinite gravity!!!' or Thor randomly shouting 'taking scores of planets!'. But even so, you won't see me going all "Superman has infinite strength!" in threads, at least when I'm serious, and without provocation.

Because the guy in a clown suit said that it was the book of limbo? Or because of Superman claiming it? I'm just trying to understand how Ultraman actually -read- the book of infinite pages. Superman or Thor lifting hundred planets is an indication of them being insanely strong. The pair lifting something that has -infinite- weight is impossible. Doing things like resisting infinite gravity or reading infinite pages in 15 minutes are clearly hyperbole.

Zomg hyperboles like a gazillion tons or so work. They're strong, they have more strength than anyone in the whooooola wiiiiide woooorld. Infinite things are simply impossible, imo

Originally posted by Zeuodin
I would like to interject here. Thor in now way Struck Superman with the mightiest of the Hammer Blows. Had He struck Superman with a flying hammer toss or one where he swirls the hammer around giving it infinite mass in his light speed thing, Superman would have been dead, or KO'd. The trick is, Can Thor His Superman with such an attack. Superman has also been injured by Magical Lightning before at the hands of Captain Marvel, which of Course Thor can do. Also, Lightning has Depowered the marvel's before. Wonder Woman knows this. During the fight she can easily call out that tactic and have Thor Rain Lightning every where. Nieither Superman nor CM are putting Wonder Woman down in any amount of real time. Hell, she's the one with the one hit powers. On the other hand, Team two has Speed advantage. Superman is faster in movement speed than Thor or Wonder Woman. CM is faster than Thor but slower than Wonder Woman. So it would be smart to have Wonder Woman, who's reflext speed is Faster than Superman's combat speed, hold him off while Thor depowers CM. Or he BFR's him easily enough. HE did it to Juggernuat and I can see it working on CM. ALL in all, I'd say this would be an epic fight that can go many ways. Team one are the true killers tho. Neither Thor nor Diana have a problem killing if need be.

You talk as if WW and Thor are the only ones with strategy. Superman knows that Marvel is resistant towards magic so he'll send him towards Thor. Superman knows that WW doesn't really have any actual defense against his freeze breath. He'll use it again and again if need be.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Imo, it's your opinion if Thor will KIll or even KO Superman with that Hammer Toss
When has CM hurt Superman badly with his Magic Attack. If you are thinking of the lighting when he shouts Shazam, it's completely different.
I don't know where you got the Bs that WW 's reflex speed is faster then his combat speed.
All WW can do against CM or Superman is try and hold them out. Superman has proven over and over that he is the more superior in almost every category. Heck, she admitted it at well.
When has lighting depowered Marvel before?

You talk as if WW and Thor are the only ones with strategy. Superman knows that Marvel is resistant towards magic so he'll send him towards Thor. Superman knows that WW doesn't really have any actual defense against his freeze breath. He'll use it again and again if need be.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Because the guy in a clown suit said that it was the book of limbo? Or because of Superman claiming it? I'm just trying to understand how Ultraman actually -read- the book of infinite pages. Superman or Thor lifting hundred planets is an indication of them being insanely strong. The pair lifting something that has -infinite- weight is impossible. Doing things like resisting infinite gravity or reading infinite pages in 15 minutes are clearly hyperbole.

Zomg hyperboles like a gazillion tons or so work. They're strong, they have more strength than anyone in the whooooola wiiiiide woooorld. Infinite things are simply impossible, [b]imo [/B]

Because the whole point of that book was that it's supposed to contain all the other books, all the other stories and it's made quite clear that the Monitor ship was able to read it because it had infinite memory capacity. It's not ambiguous in the slightest what the book represents and what Captain Marvel/Superman did.

Yes, Superman or Thor lifting hundreds of planets would be an indication of them being insanely strong. The problem is that they didn't and passing on random hyperboles as proof of them being capable of doing it is asinine.