@HWKA- In this forum Neb is automatically wrong. Even when he is right. The words 'sock' and '100 bans' seem to hae something to do with this. This is of course contrary to the VG forum where he actually is wrong in every post.
@Neb- Well the thing Neb, is that the problem with the Orbalisks is that they excrete a deadly poison when they die, as you know. Of course Bane learned the powa to nullify basically every poison in book 1 so that has pretty much no bearing at all. So yeah.... The idea that he goes down at the mention of lightning is complete bollocks really. Kind of like Vader really. Also, yes DS, everything he wrote was fact. You not liking him doesn't change that.
I'll just do a blanket post, cause i'm not replying to 2 pages.
Shoes: Sorry my man, you took the high road, so i would like to apologize for the tone earlier. And I misunderstood the comment you were making about Sidious and Kas'sim. However, I do think there is enough evidence OUTSIDE of the DE sidious fight to establish Luke as a more powerful combatant than Bane. (see Unifying Force, fight with Nyax, )
Gideon: We are talking NJO luke, so you can throw out the Raynar Thul, and the "black hole at center of galaxy couldn't move him" quotes. FOTJ is making Luke look extremely human. (I've almost finished Backslash)
I would actually agree that it makes sense for Luke to be unable to handle sidious as of DE, all of that happened even BEFORE the events of the Jedi Academy series, right? However, all we have are a few comic panels, so everything that happens in them is up for debate and interpretation.
Star Wars just isn't consistent enough.
Was it Outbound Flight where Luke AND Mara almost couldn't take down a SINGLE destroyer droid?
THAT was the single most out of the power structure moment in the mythos. What was to stop Luke from simply picking it up and crushing it with the force? But no. They fought it for many pages.
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
I think we all know George's intention with Luke's superiority.
Jesus H. Christ.
Do we? Do we really?
Do you know what I see, when I read the word "intent" regarding Luke's power?
This is what I see. I see the Empire Strikes Back; Palpatine: "the Force is strong with him," not "the Force is the strongest with him evar!!1! OMG i'm shittin my cloak!!1!"
I hear Vader tell Luke he can destroy the Emperor.
Then I watch Return of the Jedi, with Luke I-Can-Destroy-the-Emperor Skywalker getting destroyed by the Emperor. And then I see the Emperor die. Via Vader.
Do you want to know how Luke Skywalker destroyed the Emperor? Through Vader.
That, to me, is intent. Because that is what we saw. I get Anakin being the most powerful or potentially most powerful ever. But nowhere was that ever said to be Lucas's intent for Luke.
that's the thing: LOTF turned luke into a godlike character (aided by DN and by NJO).
What FOTJ is doing to him is simply inconsistent.
So really, pick your own version of Luke. Mine has him as the most powerful figure in the mythos, and pointing at his positives makes it true.
Gideon wants sidious to be the most powerful figure in the mythos, so he points at Luke's NEGATIVE's, which does make Sidious seem more powerful than Luke.
That's fine. That's fiction. That's what its all about.
truejedi
that's the thing: LOTF turned luke into a godlike character (aided by DN and by NJO).What FOTJ is doing to him is simply inconsistent.
So really, pick your own version of Luke. Mine has him as the most powerful figure in the mythos, and pointing at his positives makes it true.
Gideon wants sidious to be the most powerful figure in the mythos, so he points at Luke's NEGATIVE's, which does make Sidious seem more powerful than Luke.
That's fine. That's fiction. That's what its all about.
Oh, geez lol. Please don't waste your time speculating as to my intent or my thoughts on this particular matter.
I've made it plain: I don't think there should be any accolade for a character other than Anakin's potential. Palpatine, Luke, Ragnos, Nihilus, Bane, Yoda? The extent of their power should be left somewhat ambiguous.
Because once you put a cap or a ceiling or a foundation for a character's power, i.e. Character X is the greatest duelist ever, you set yourself up for cliche and drivel.
The fact that I argue Palpatine is the most powerful Force user ever has nothing to do with my own preference.
Edit: Explain to me what in LotF turned Luke into a godlike character. Was it nearly dying at Lumiya's hands the first time, or struggling with her the second and third time? Or was it not killing his nephew even high on battle rage?
Originally posted by Gideon
Jesus H. Christ.Do we? Do we really?
Do you know what I see, when I read the word "intent" regarding Luke's power?
This is what I see. I see the Empire Strikes Back; Palpatine: "the Force is strong with him," not "the Force is the strongest with him evar!!1! OMG i'm shittin my cloak!!1!"
I hear Vader tell Luke he can destroy the Emperor.
Then I watch Return of the Jedi, with Luke I-Can-Destroy-the-Emperor Skywalker getting destroy[B]ed
by the Emperor. And then I see the Emperor die. Via Vader.Do you want to know how Luke Skywalker destroyed the Emperor? Through Vader.
That, to me, is intent. Because that is what we saw. I get Anakin being the most powerful or potentially most powerful ever. But nowhere was that ever said to be Lucas's intent for Luke. [/B]
You mean besides Luke supposed to be more powerful than the Emperor, who is more powerful than anybody else in the mythos?
Dr McBeefington
You mean besides Luke supposed to be more powerful than the Emperor, who is more powerful than anybody else in the mythos?
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I'm not sure KMC has a function that makes the font big enough for you to read, since you're obviously vision impaired.
/sarcasm
Did you not read what I wrote? If it was clearly George's intent, then it must be manifest in the movies.
I challenge you to point out a single quote that says Luke had the potential to be more powerful than the Emperor.
Originally posted by GideonThe fact that I argue Palpatine is the most powerful Force user ever has nothing to do with my own preference.
Edit: Explain to me what in LotF turned Luke into a godlike character. Was it nearly dying at Lumiya's hands the first time, or struggling with her the second and third time? Or was it not killing his nephew even high on battle rage?
See, this proves my point exactly. Instead of actually pointing at his highlights, you pointed at his lowlights of the series instead. If you were actually seeking a serious answer, you would have given the highlights of the series, and asked if THAT was what I meant. You actually proved my first post to be true with this edit(minus the word preference), so thanks.
To continue to prove my first post true: I'll list his more notable accolades of the series:
1. He created an entire fleet that fooled a high-level Sith Lord into acting like a fool in front of his men.
2. Held that same Sith Lord captive in his chair for an entire conversation unable to move a muscle. Where has anything like that EVER been done to a character of ANY power in the history of the mythos?
3. Used the force to physically appear on-board Caedus's flagship and assist Jaina in a duel with Caedus before vanishing without a trace. Caedus never figured that out before his death. Luke can now apparently be in two places at once.
4. Defeated Lumiya fairly effortlessly in his second duel with her.
5. Managed to vanish off of an exploded Stealth-X, then reappear onboard the Anakin Solo. He either survived the vaccum of space, or physically removed himself, with the force, from the cockpit.
6. Held his stealth-x together with the use of the force in order to put it through impossible maneuvers.
7. Manipulated Caedus's visions of the future to see what Luke wanted him to see.
Hopefully you will get my point. YOu could have thought I was talking about any of these things, instead, you ask what I suppose you thought was a clever question? One that points out Luke's LOWPOINTS from the series instead of any of the things I would have obviously been referring to.
Originally posted by Gideon
😕I'm not sure KMC has a function that makes the font big enough for you to read, since you're obviously vision impaired.
/sarcasm
Did you not read what I wrote? If it was clearly George's intent, then it must be manifest in the movies.
I challenge you to point out a single quote that says Luke had the potential to be more powerful than the Emperor.
http://www.starwars.com/episode-iii/release/publicity/news20050104.html
I'll try and find the word for word interview so you can quit bitching. I didn't know those freshman liberal arts classes are having a negative effect on your personality.
DS
http://www.starwars.com/episode-iii/release/publicity/news20050104.htmlI'll try and find the word for word interview so you can quit bitching. I didn't know those freshman liberal arts classes are having a negative effect on your personality.
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Me
Did you not read what I wrote? If it was clearly George's intent, then it must be manifest in the movies.I challenge you to point out a single quote that says Luke had the potential to be more powerful than the Emperor.
...Unless the interview with Vanity Fair appeared in one of the six episodes, it's irrelevant.
I'm not talking about what Lucas says now, which changes all the damn time, I'm asking what his original intent was. His canon intent.
Edit: And then you can explain to me how it's a detriment that I demand proof for your claims.