achilles and his Myrmidons win this.
achilles vs leonidas is a joke achilles will murder him.
speed: achilles has amazing fighting speed he fought off 3 trojan soldiers at the same time, while leonidas had trouble with that giant slow ogre, leonidas wasnt that fast at all he only fought off 1 by 1 persian soldiers and his moves werent quick at all.
strength: what did leonidas do as far as strength aside of looking more buff? he cut limbs like any man with a sword can do, and shield bash a persian soldier and knocks him down, but thats it isnt it? now lets check achilles, cutt down the head of apollo statue like butter, when he clash shields with hector he sends hector almost flying backwards, he hits hectors shield with the tip of his sword and sends hector again backwards, do you know how much strength you need to do such thing? the tip of your sword vs a shield? and when achilles invades the beach he shield bash a trojan warrior sending him flying on a spike.... , i think achilles is stronger.
skills: no contest, achilles used amazing tactics and techniques, leonidas seems like a hack and slash brute compared to achilles, achilles hits with swift, fast, technical hits, leonidas hits with brute force sword strikes.
achilles fought 20 man at the beach while they were comming from all directions at the same time at him, in the extended version he fights extra 10 soldiers which means 30 people attacking him from all angles.
leonidas fought only persian soldiers in front of him 1 by 1 because of that neckbottle tactic, but as soon as the persians closed on leonidas and his 300 soldiers from all directions they all fell like bugs.
overall achilles and the Myrmidons will dominate them, while i do believe that the Myrmidons and spartans are more or less equel, i still believe achilles is too much of a factor here.
remember that the Myrmidons took over a whole beach full of trojan soldiers from all directions like in a real battle, the spartans were not surrounded and basically fought only in 1 direction as all their enemies came wave after wave in front of them, there wasnt even room for many persians to attack them they could only come in small amounts of waves, its like you and 10 friends standing in a room and fighting off 100 people, all the 100 people cant fight you because only 5 at a time can squeeze into that room until you beat them and then more come, but you never find yourself fighting off more than 5 people, however as soon as the persians surrounded the spartans it was game over very quickly for them, at the end of you see how the persian soldiers killed off the spartans when the spartans had to fight persians comming from all directions.
now i think spartans and Myrmidons are somewhat of equels, however as the fights starts and they all fight each other while achilles running around and killing them off at the same time... spartans cant win, achilles is too much backed by the Myrmidons.
based on achilles owning soldiers from all directions and even 3 at the same time, while spartans getting killed as soon as they are surrounded by persians? i say achilles>>>>>>> spartans.
also trojan soldiers are much more skilled than the persian soldiers, trojan soldiers trained since birth to fight as in most greece at that time, the greeks at that time were the most advanced as far as fighting methods, techniques and skills, and achilles and his Myrmidons took over a whole beach of those.
the persians are mostly barbaric, they were dominating at their time just because of numbers they didnt have high training at all.
as soon as persians surrounded the spartans and basically made them fight like the Myrmidons fought the trojans, the spartans quickly fell while the Myrmidons actually won, so a case can be made for the Myrmidons being even superior to spartans.
Originally posted by red sabreYeah, cuz stopping dead in their tracks several men running at you with your spear point and sending one flying backwards with your giant bronze shield, all in a matter of seconds, is just sooooo weak and slow. Do you have some sort of hardon for Brad Pitt or something, cuz you are biased beyond being reasonable or fair. Achilles showed no signs of greater strength than the Spartans---gold is a very soft metal, a sharp bronze sword would cut right through it. And you can't go dismissing Leonidas' shield bashing and stabbing feats of strength and then turnaround and say the same techniques work for Achilles. Be fair or shut up.
leonidas wasnt that fast at all he only fought off 1 by 1 persian soldiers and his moves werent quick at all...strength: what did leonidas do as far as strength aside of looking more buff? he cut limbs like any man with a sword can do, and shield bash a persian soldier and knocks him down, but thats it isnt it?
Those Trojan soldiers did nothing impressive onscreen. And neither did the Myrmidons or Persian grunts. The Trojan heroes, the Spartans, and the Immortals are the only guys from either of these movies that are a worth damn, combat-wise. When Myrmidons face a small platoon of archers, many get hit. When Spartans face enough arrows to blot out the sun, they don't suffer a scratch. I'll put my money on the massive warriors with giant bronze shields, unmatched discipline, overwhelming strength, and the ability to actually do something worth a damn onscreen. Achilles>Leonidas, sure. He's still very strong and very fast. But the Spartans>>>>>>>>>>the Greeks, Myrmidons, and Trojans 10 times out of 10.
Also, I don't know what any of this:
Originally posted by red sabre
also trojan soldiers are much more skilled than the persian soldiers, trojan soldiers trained since birth to fight as in most greece at that time, the greeks at that time were the most advanced as far as fighting methods, techniques and skills, and achilles and his Myrmidons took over a whole beach of those.the persians are mostly barbaric, they were dominating at their time just because of numbers they didnt have high training at all.
as soon as persians surrounded the spartans and basically made them fight like the Myrmidons fought the trojans, the spartans quickly fell while the Myrmidons actually won, so a case can be made for the Myrmidons being even superior to spartans.
has to do with absolutely anything in these films.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Yeah, cuz stopping dead in their tracks several men running at you with your spear point and sending one flying backwards with your giant bronze shield, all in a matter of seconds, is just sooooo weak and slow. Do you have some sort of hardon for Brad Pitt or something, cuz you are biased beyond being reasonable or fair. Achilles showed no signs of greater strength than the Spartans---gold is a very soft metal, a sharp bronze sword would cut right through it. And you can't go dismissing Leonidas' shield bashing and stabbing feats of strength and then turnaround and say the same techniques work for Achilles. Be fair or shut up.Those Trojan soldiers did nothing impressive onscreen. And neither did the Myrmidons or Persian grunts. The Trojan heroes, the Spartans, and the Immortals are the only guys from either of these movies that are a worth damn, combat-wise. When Myrmidons face a small platoon of archers, many get hit. When Spartans face enough arrows to blot out the sun, they don't suffer a scratch. I'll put my money on the massive warriors with giant bronze shields, unmatched discipline, overwhelming strength, and the ability to actually do something worth a damn onscreen. Achilles>Leonidas, sure. He's still very strong and very fast. But the Spartans>>>>>>>>>>the Greeks, Myrmidons, and Trojans 10 times out of 10.
Also, I don't know what any of this:
has to do with absolutely anything in these films.
leonidas didnt stop several man with his spear, one man jumps on him and leonidas impale that man, then leonidas throw his spear and hits 2 guys, one of them being taken down from a direct hit, other one falls down because he was injured by the spear as it was flying towards the other guy, however this is not a case of 2 man standing one behind the other and leonidas knocks them both down.
achilles threw a spear from much longer distance with enough force to send the horseman flying off his horse, thats more impressive than what leonidas did.
leonidas sent a guy flying with his shield, achilles while charging the beach sent a man flying with his shield as well.
i never said leonidas is weak, i just said achilles is stronger, i never said leonidas is slow i said he is slow compared to achilles which is a fact as far as speed.
achilles cut thru a golden statue of apollo with a swing, care to try it? with 1 swing beheading that kind of golden statue is impossible to a man.
i pointed out the fact achilles hits hector with the edge of his sword into hectors shield and sends hector backwards, that takes a lot of strength to do because at this point hector had the advantage of mass per square, and yet achilles easily over power him and sends him backwards with something like that? achilles strength clearly is above human.
and what did the persians do onscreen aside of being owned by the aprtans until they surrounded them? the trojans are well known fighters that train since birth, are you going to dismiss history just because it doesnt suit you? the persians are just barbarics while trojans are well trained soldiers, and what did we get? Myrmidons beating up those well trained soldiers while the spartans slaughtered by the less skilled barbaric persians.
the reason why Myrmidons got hit by the arrows and spartans defended was because the Myrmidons were shot while they were jumping off their boats and couldnt defend themselves, another reason is that while reaching the shore the Myrmidons were separated and could defend themselves as a group only when they gathered around and formed a tactic, the spartans however were not separated and were next to each other so when the arrows were shot at them all they had to do is raise their shield and they basically formed the same tactic by defending each other.
as i stated before, the Myrmidons defeated trojans comming at them from all directions in an open battlefield, spartans were able to win only when they had the bottleneck tactic advantage, when they got surrounded they got slaughtered without giving a very serious fight, even with the bottleneck tactic spartans were slaughtered by immortals, the Myrmidons not only gave good fight in an open field but also won.
achilles is too much of a factor here, this guy defeated 30 man coming at him on the beach from all sides, he even defeated 3 guys coming at him at the same time, the spartans got killed once they were surrounded, nuff said.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
I am using what was stated in the movie.
- Achilles was the greatest warrior
- His Myrmidons were seen as strong warriors
- Hector controlled the greatest army in the east.It comes down to option and my opinion is that Achilles could kill a hell of a lot of the Spartans by himself.
Individual Spartans did a great job at killing hundreds of people at a time. Achilles did the same thing in the battle of troy and his other battles. He's invulnerable everywhere but his heel.
Originally posted by red sabreachilles is too much of a factor here, this guy defeated 30 man coming at him on the beach from all sides, he even defeated 3 guys coming at him at the same time, the spartans got killed once they were surrounded, nuff said.
Massive downplay.
By the time they were surrounded (due to betrayal), they were down to around 20 men. This was after an army starting with just 300 men had killed thousands upon thousands after days of fighting. The Immortals numbered 10,000 alone, "nuff said" indeed.
Spartans > Myrmidons; it's not even close.
Originally posted by Robtard
Massive downplay.By the time they were surrounded (due to betrayal), they were down to around 20 men. This was after an army starting with just 300 men had killed thousands upon thousands after days of fighting. The Immortals numbered 10,000 alone, "nuff said" indeed.
Spartans > Myrmidons; it's not even close.
Yes Spartans would be a tough challenge but Myrmidons from Illiad are very fierce warriors.
So lets say fair fight 300 spartans plus Leonidas and 300 Myrmidons with Achilles.
I think it would end down to Leonidas and Achilles and Achilles would win.
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