Originally posted by Supra
Spartans have way more feats the then the Myrmidons, 300 Spartans vs 40-50 Myrmidons get stomps, Achilles is the last one standing and prolly lets Leonidas go like he did Hector.
what feats? spartans got slaughtered once they were in a real battle situation when the enemy surrounded them, the Myrmidons took over a beach in a real battle situation with trojans comming at them from all directions, trojans are real trained soldiers unlike the persians.
only army trained in the persian empire were the immortals and they slaughtered some spartans when it was a neckbottle situation, in a real fight from all directions they would probably beat the spartans.
Myrmidons showed more battle abilities, the reason spartans seem to look like the better ones was because they were portrayed as more vicious, stronger and more brutal fighters, i would say they were physically stronger than the Myrmidons no doubt, however as far as battle achievements again they got slaughtered preety quickly once they got surrounded.
Originally posted by Supra
Individual Spartans did a great job at killing hundreds of people at a time. Achilles did the same thing in the battle of troy and his other battles. He's invulnerable everywhere but his heel.
show me an individual spartan killing hundreds of people at a time.
the strength in spartans is their tactics which require them to be combined and together, as soon as you separate a spartan from his fellows, individually he isnt that great at all and gets dispatched quickly like we saw vs the persians.
Originally posted by Robtard
Massive downplay.By the time they were surrounded (due to betrayal), they were down to around 20 men. This was after an army starting with just 300 men had killed thousands upon thousands after days of fighting. The Immortals numbered 10,000 alone, "nuff said" indeed.
Spartans > Myrmidons; it's not even close.
show me a proof they killed thousands upon thousands man, its only your speculation based on your biased opinion, probably they owned couple hundreds but lets not get crazy with the numbers.
how did they get down to 20? you wana tell me 278 died in the battles where they had the advantage all along? really? did the movie state they were down to 20? did you just count?
the immortals number is 10,000? where? did they kill all the immortals? i dont recall them killing the entire immortals army... where do you get those numbers from? i dont recall numbers being stated , most of those numbers are just made by you and make it sound kinda stupid.
as i said already the spartans got slaughtered once the battle was a real battle and not the way the planed it to be in the neckbottle position which they are covering each other with shields and spears, once their tactic is broken they get slaughtered.
Myrmidons conquered the beach in a real fight vs the trojans who are much more trained than the barbaric persians, only unit that is skilled in the persian army are the immortals and we saw how they slaughtered spartans even while in neckbottle situation.
Myrmidons are more impressive than spartans.
Originally posted by red sabre
show me an individual spartan killing hundreds of people at a time.
the strength in spartans is their tactics which require them to be combined and together, as soon as you separate a spartan from his fellows, individually he isnt that great at all and gets dispatched quickly like we saw vs the persians.
OK well do the math, 300 Spartans killed how man persions?
Estimated casualties for the battle:
Greeks
-300 Spartans
-700 Thespians
-1,400 Greek allies in total
Persians
-20,000 (Modern estimate)
-20,000 (Herodotus' estimate)
-80,000 (Ctesias' estimate)
Considering that the Spartans had allies who helped, we can't give them total credit for all ~20,000 of those inflicted casualties, but more likely than not, a very significant percentile were Spartan kills/wounds.
Source(s):http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Thermopylae
Originally posted by Supra
No but Achilles is🙂
as much as achilles is amazing fighter indeed he cant take 300 spartans on his own.
lets not forget hector gave him a fight and even was able to scratch his armor.
hector is the best fighter troja had to offer and get mad props no doubt, however achilles isnt untouchable and it took him some time to kill hector, vs 300 spartans achilles cant win.
Originally posted by red sabre
show me a proof they killed thousands upon thousands man, its only your speculation based on your biased opinion, probably they owned couple hundreds but lets not get crazy with the numbers.how did they get down to 20? you wana tell me 278 died in the battles where they had the advantage all along? really? did the movie state they were down to 20? did you just count?
the immortals number is 10,000? where? did they kill all the immortals? i dont recall them killing the entire immortals army... where do you get those numbers from? i dont recall numbers being stated , most of those numbers are just made by you and make it sound kinda stupid.
as i said already the spartans got slaughtered once the battle was a real battle and not the way the planed it to be in the neckbottle position which they are covering each other with shields and spears, once their tactic is broken they get slaughtered.
Myrmidons conquered the beach in a real fight vs the trojans who are much more trained than the barbaric persians, only unit that is skilled in the persian army are the immortals and we saw how they slaughtered spartans even while in neckbottle situation.
Myrmidons are more impressive than spartans.
You make a great debate for the Myrmidons and there fighting skill.
Originally posted by Supra
OK well do the math, 300 Spartans killed how man persions?Estimated casualties for the battle:
Greeks
-300 Spartans
-700 Thespians
-1,400 Greek allies in totalPersians
-20,000 (Modern estimate)
-20,000 (Herodotus' estimate)
-80,000 (Ctesias' estimate)Considering that the Spartans had allies who helped, we can't give them total credit for all ~20,000 of those inflicted casualties, but more likely than not, a very significant percentile were Spartan kills/wounds.
Source(s):http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Thermopylae
we are talking about the movies, show me the movie showing any kind of figures of how much persians got killed by only the 300 spartans.
Originally posted by red sabre
as much as achilles is amazing fighter indeed he cant take 300 spartans on his own.
lets not forget hector gave him a fight and even was able to scratch his armor.
hector is the best fighter troja had to offer and get mad props no doubt, however achilles isnt untouchable and it took him some time to kill hector, vs 300 spartans achilles cant win.
Fair enough, he would lose.
What would happen to Achilles is he was slashed by a sword or run through by a spear?
Originally posted by Supra
Fair enough, he would lose.What would happen to Achilles is he was slashed by a sword or run through by a spear?
well his armor is very hard we saw how a cut from hector only left a mark on his armor, and given that its freakin demi god achilles i am sure even with wounds he would still be fighting.
Originally posted by red sabre
well his armor is very hard we saw how a cut from hector only left a mark on his armor, and given that its freakin demi god achilles i am sure even with wounds he would still be fighting.
Demi gods in mythology are a little different then the demi gods in comic book. Different writers from different era's. I'm still curious as to know if he was hit with an arrow or cut with a sword would he deflect it and shrug it off and keep fighting or would it hurt him. The cut by hector is not really a good example of him getting sliced imo because it didn't even do through the armor and Achilles sorta jumped back to avoid it.
Originally posted by Supra
Demi gods in mythology are a little different then the demi gods in comic book. Different writers from different era's. I'm still curious as to know if he was hit with an arrow or cut with a sword would he deflect it and shrug it off and keep fighting or would it hurt him. The cut by hector is not really a good example of him getting sliced imo because it didn't even do through the armor and Achilles sorta jumped back to avoid it.
well the movie doesnt show much, however if we go by mythology itself he was wounmded once when he fought a great warrior i forgot his name and achilles won the fight and it was stated that its the one and only time someone was able to injure him so he is very rarely injured to begin with.
Originally posted by red sabre
well the movie doesnt show much, however if we go by mythology itself he was wounmded once when he fought a great warrior i forgot his name and achilles won the fight and it was stated that its the one and only time someone was able to injure him so he is very rarely injured to begin with.
When he was fighting in Troy it almost was like he had a six sense he knew where to strike and where to defend even if not looking that way, like someone shot an arrow at him from behind and he threw his shield over his back right before it hit him, and the way he moved up the beach taking down multiple people at a time was bad ass, the whole army was shouting his name, Achilles Achilles Achilles
I love that part
Originally posted by Supra
When he was fighting in Troy it almost was like he had a six sense he knew where to strike and where to defend even if not looking that way, like someone shot an arrow at him from behind and he threw his shield over his back right before it hit him, and the way he moved up the beach taking down multiple people at a time was bad ass, the whole army was shouting his name, Achilles Achilles AchillesI love that part
yeah that was my favorite as well, specially when he is killing the last trojan and you hear achilles achilles and then they close up on his face and you see blood dripping from his helmet.
it was a "you next bro" look he gave Lol
Originally posted by red sabre
yeah that was my favorite as well, specially when he is killing the last trojan and you hear achilles achilles and then they close up on his face and you see blood dripping from his helmet.
it was a "you next bro" look he gave Lol
Yea I wish he had just finished Hector off there, I didn't like to see Patroclus getting his throat cut. He was just a young boy. Made me really sad. Hell everyone was sad they all stopped fighting for the day
Originally posted by Supra
Yea I wish he had just finished Hector off there, I didn't like to see Patroclus getting his throat cut. He was just a young boy. Made me really sad. Hell everyone was sad they all stopped fighting for the day
yeah it was dumb, but achilles wanted glory, he didnt want to finish hector when no one can see, he loves the glory like a real man .