Comic Book Martial Artist Hierarchy

can i get a clear answer from someone... are we or are we not, including powers as a factor in determining how good a fighter someone is?

I think whether or not Iron Fist moves up a tier depends on that answer.

Good lord could the point fly any faster past some peoples heads. The whole point to me bringing it up was to show how well IF did when he was WEAKER then Mandarin/Temugin.

I support counting skill based power, but not powers in general. It's already implicitly supported anyways when you look at the who's in each tier and how they're constructed.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Just on your narrow question, he's learned, among other things, different striking techniques from the Book of the Iron Fist. You couldn't have forgotten that. .

yes but really didn't seem to show a big increase to me, i mean he has had some insane skill showing before that. So yea he may be slightly better but so far he hasn't shown anything above his old self in pure skill. but he is more ffective now that he is more powerful in every way.

yeah, that's what i figured. I'm just wondering why people are against Iron Fist being bumped up... i still haven't seen any valid reasoning.

Originally posted by dmills
I support counting skill based power, but not powers in general. It's already implicitly supported anyways when you look at the who's in each tier and how they're constructed.

I'm all for it really, just he seems to be so hotly debated so i was trying to find out what the general consensus on it was

^ Make it official by voting to move him up.

Originally posted by marwash22
yeah, that's what i figured. I'm just wondering why people are against Iron Fist being bumped up... i still haven't seen any valid reasoning.

Originally posted by jalek moye
yes but really didn't seem to show a big increase to me, i mean he has had some insane skill showing before that. So yea he may be slightly better but so far he hasn't shown anything above his old self in pure skill. but he is more ffective now that he is more powerful in every way.

@shrank, @vanmae,

Man you guy's have got to be kidding me with those posts. How was it a horrible showing for Iron Fist? I said in my post that he was WEAKER then Mandarin and Temugin, thus imo his fight with Iron Man was pretty damn impressive. Especially considering he was hit with repulsor blasts and kept fighting. So you can imagine what happens if he's at his current levels.

What I want to know is do either of you deny that he has shown more overall skills then Mandarin or Temugin?

i already voted for moving Iron Fist up; but there seems to be some kind of debate where nothing is really being said to counter the argument.

^ Didn't see your vote on page 9. Was only paying attention to xmarksthespot's last tally, which was before your vote. My bads.

I commit seppuku now. death

@marwash22,

Yeah I know. I'm trying to address it now but I'm not getting any real reasoning. Either Fist moves to uber, or 2-3 ubers have to move down to top tier to make it consistant.

Originally posted by dmills
Good lord could the point fly any faster past some peoples heads. The whole point to me bringing it up was to show how well IF did when he was WEAKER then Mandarin/Temugin.

How was IF weaker than a depowered Mandarin?

@konton,

Chi output at a higher level. Although given some of Danny's past showings even that's debatable. But I won't press it. That's more of a Marvel consistency problem then anything else.

Originally posted by dmills
@marwash22,

Yeah I know. I'm trying to address it now but I'm not getting any real reasoning. Either Fist moves to uber, or 2-3 ubers have to move down to top tier to make it consistant.

There's no reason to cut off the nose to spite the face. It's clear that Iron Fist should be moved up.

It does seem we're counting Chi stuff, so sure, IF up.

*And* still Drakon 🙂 None of the top tiers can do what he can do either.

Opposed to Dakon.

For Iron Fist.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Opposed to Dakon.

Can I ask why? He was totally slapping around a top-tier foe.

Originally posted by Q99
Can I ask why? He was totally slapping around a top-tier foe.

Can't be assed to look for which particular fight of his you're referencing, but I'm just gonna say pheromones.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Can't be assed to look for which particular fight of his you're referencing, but I'm just gonna say pheromones.

Oooh, nevermind, I had a brain skip and thought you were talking about (Constantine) Drakon instead of (Dark Wolverine) Dakon.

......I did the same thing in reverse.

Dakon isn't even being discussed facepalm