Originally posted by galactusischere
I think that Gamora should remain in the 'cosmic tier'. I mean she is good enough to fight Terrax and Ronan evenly.
She's also class 20 iirc, way stronger than anyone else in the cosmic tier, as well as possessing super agility.
The other two are still more-or-less human level technically speaking.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Same general reason why I don't believe Wolverine should be Top Tier. 😗
Okay, can we put this notion that Wolverine is not a top tier fighter to rest now? I mean, honestly, it really does get tiring seeing that posted again and again. Listen, if you haven't seen enough to make you believe that Wolverine is a Top Tier martial artist, then how about I show you he is ?
Okay, so your main worry is that Wolverine's physical abilities give him an edge that the other top tier's don't have, correct? Well, here we have him fighting against Domina, the leader of the Neo, a group of superhumans. She has already dominated Sabretooth, killed Sinister, and handled an X-Men team composed of Thunderbird, Psylocke, Cicilia Reyes, Colossus, Rogue, and Nightcrawler. Then Wolverine comes onto the scene, and does this:
Here he goes up against 5000 Hand ninja, along with Elektra (who's been edited out, but definitely did her fair share,) and decimates them, without getting scratched:
If you think that the lack of a torn up uniform isn't evidence of not getting injured, then check out how this artist drew Wolverine when he was taking while he got:
Here Wolverine takes on both Shogun and Azrael, one having, according to Wolverine:
"move like the Hand, and speed like the Gorgon"
http://yfrog.com/6wwolverinev2ch05727j
And the other being the thousands of years old Angel of Death. Wolverine deals with both handily:
http://yfrog.com/3dwolverinev2ch06123j
http://yfrog.com/9gwolverinev2ch06125j
http://yfrog.com/1awolverinev2ch06127j
Here Wolverine faces off against, and forces onto the defensive, an Iron Fist more powerful and skilled than Danny Rand (Pre-Upgrade,):
http://img263.imageshack.us/i/ironfistandwolverine041.jpg/
But of course, who you can beat isn't everything (Otherwise I would have posted more scansof Ogun, Shingen, Stick, Shang Chi, Daredevil, and Captain America.) So here are some instances of Wolverine's fighting knowledge.
In this scan, we learn about Wolverine's knowledge of "nerve clusters, crucial pressure points, where a blow can instantly paralyze someone, or kill."
http://yfrog.com/0ywolverinels0117j
It makes sense he'd know these, as he can "incapacitate, mobilize... maim and cripple a hundred different ways":
http://img299.imageshack.us/i/mcpch11408.jpg/
We see him put that knowledge to use here, against a brick in another dimension:
http://yfrog.com/1rloganpotw39j
And here we see him knee Captain America in the thigh, giving him a "Femoral artery pseudo-aneurism" that sends him to the hospital (though not immediately):
http://yfrog.com/eswoch0041213j
And of course, his most impressive to date, crumbling a chi-amping brick who "hits like the Thing, if the Thing was a ninth degree black belt and could kick you in the face ":
http://yfrog.com/69wolverinemdch0210j
http://yfrog.com/08wolverinemdch0212j
(The actual feat)http://yfrog.com/j4wolverinemd041617j
You can also consider his knowledge and ability with joint locks. How about a small sampling for that?
http://yfrog.com/3dwolverinev2ch00306j
http://yfrog.com/j9uxmch39714j
http://yfrog.com/3vuxmch22813j
http://yfrog.com/0cuxmch17313j
Wolverine is dangerous, whether he can use his hands, or not:
http://yfrog.com/emwolverinev2ch03917j
http://yfrog.com/0juxmch15211j
http://yfrog.com/6wuxmch27205j
Wolverine is also capable of attacking in several directions simultaneously:
http://yfrog.com/jkwolverinev1ch1520708j
http://yfrog.com/j4wolverinev2ch0092021j
http://yfrog.com/bgwolverinev2ch02008j
Oh yeah, and he can convince Hand ninja and Hydra soldiers, that he's Captain America - while using a trash can lid for a shield:
http://yfrog.com/j9wolverinev1ch12706j
http://yfrog.com/b9wolverinev1ch12707j
http://yfrog.com/2pwolverinev1ch12708j
Honestly, I don't know what more the guy has to do to prove his martial arts ability to you, but if there is anything, let me know, cause he definitely has more. Otherwise, it would be nice to be able to go on the forums again without people constantly trying to downgrade Wolverine's skills, just because he's a mutant.
