Originally posted by srankmissingnin"Cheap" like all the talk/conjecture about how Wolverine was described as the perfect weapon, which somehow served as evidence that he wasn't actually sniped through the eye on-panel? Or "cheap" like how a computer screen may, or may not, show gaps in Wolverine's skull? I find your request for more verifiable evidence to be dubious, at best. "Most Dangerous Woman in the Universe" is surely a sweeping generalization. Mastery of 83.4% of armed/unarmed techniques of the universe is not a sweeping generalization. It's pretty damn specific and measured.
And Sentry has the power of a "Billion Exploding Suns" and he stalemate Galactus. Talk is cheap without something back it. Champion tells people he has mastered countless fighting styles from across the Universe since time began... and yet all he does is box. How skilled Gamora is allegedly and how skilled she actually is are two different things. One is based on feats, one is just talk. I don't think anecdotal evidence is enough to warrant a spot in the Cosmic tier. I'm open to the possibility that Gamora is possibly a Cosmic Level MA who just hasn't been afforded to opportunity to showcase her skill yet, but until she does I don't think it makes sense to give her such a high position based on a speculative analysis on what her theoretical skill level [b]might be.Show me Gamora using pressure points on invulnerable foes on the level of Maxam, first.
Anyway, off the top of my Batman used a pressure point on Wonder Woman. It was a sparing match, not something he could replicate in an actual fight (which considering Gamora's feats are all similarly irrelevant to an actual fight isn't such a big deal) but still shows it is something he can do effectively against Wonder Woman's durability. [/B]
Just because you didn't like it, doesn't mean __ ______ ______.
I don't recall the feat. Post it please. I was under the impression he used leverage -- not a pressure point that caused her immense pain -- when sparring her. Also, Diana's durability is not Maxam-level. She'd likely be black and blue from fighting toe-to-toe with PG Drax and have a nasty gash on her traps from Gamora's axe-swing. Also, also, it's the god-damned Batman.
Originally posted by batdude123You're definitely not saying that. You're asking to put him in the third tier, not the cosmic tier. No worries.
I'm not trying to claim that he's anywhere near Gamora in terms of skill (which nobody in his right mind would), but what's shown is shown, and he's shown as an incredibly skilled fighter.He's had 1000's years of experience fighting (something which is always used in defense of Thor), has trained under both Batman and Wonder Woman, and has mastered Torquasm-Rao (a Kryptonian martial art even Batman struggled with).
Batman tried Torquasm-Rao -- and failed? faint
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I don't recall the feat. Post it please. I was under the impression he used leverage -- not a pressure point that caused her immense pain - when sparring.
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batvsdiana-ww2.jpg
Originally posted by Deadline
Of course it is...unless she is actually bulletproof......
Unless you really want to pursue this retardedly misguided argument, for your own sake, I'd advise you to just stop.
Originally posted by Deadline
You can't tell the difference between hyperbole and literal meanings?So Gamora just boxes does she? Like I said she was stalemating Wolverine AND has extremely good pressure point feats.
WW isn't even bulletproof so that could explain it.
Without something concrete to back them they are just words, as empty as the lies I tell to pick up chicks. I can tell people I'm an expert cardiac surgeon who volunteers at the homeless shelter twice a week, but I wouldn't expect you to take that at face value without some sort of proof.
She doesn't just box, but like Champion she doesn't have a history that supports her being superhumanly skilled. I don't really want to get into a whole thing here, but she lost to Wolverine. They fought for three panels (which isn't what I would call a large enough sample size to say she able to stalemate Wolverine) but if she was really a Cosmic level MA as some people claim it should have been more than enough time for her to get the upper hand... and it wasn't. If she had any clear skill advantage over Wolverine, it should have been apparent; it was clearly apparent when Mantis fought Captain America which one was the clearly more skilled. Cap didn't stand a chance, but Wolverine not only held his own for those three panels, but he actually came out on top in the end. The fact that he wasn't distracted by the Hulk falling into the picture, and Gamora was should say something as well.
You are underestimating Wonder Womans durability. She can take blows from Superman for goodness' sake.
Originally posted by Deadline
WW isn't even bulletproof so that could explain it.
She's shrugged quantities of machinegun fire before (It's annoying that so much of the respect thread was gutted by hosting lost, there was a good pic of a squad of people all firing on her).
Apparently it stings a little, but it doesn't seem to do any damage in practice. Probably akin to being hit with a rubber band for us. Checkmate rates her overall durability at A1, same class as Superman's (with a specific weakness to piercing/cutting damage).
Originally posted by batdude123Unless you really want to pursue this retardedly misguided argument, for your own sake, I'd advise you to just stop.
My point is this, if shes not bulletproof as usual your too stupid to get the point im making I think she can also got cut by knives and swords.
If the above is true then yes I have a point. If not then thats the only reason why its retarded
Originally posted by srankmissingninYou are underestimating Wonder Womans durability. She can take blows from Superman for goodness' sake.
You completely missed the point, if shes vulnerable to machine gunfire that would make it easier to pressure point.
Originally posted by Q99
She's shrugged quantities of machinegun fire before (It's annoying that so much of the respect thread was gutted by hosting lost, there was a good pic of a squad of people all firing on her).Apparently it stings a little, but it doesn't seem to do any damage in practice. Probably akin to being hit with a rubber band for us. Checkmate rates her overall durability at A1, same class as Superman's (with a specific weakness to piercing/cutting damage).
Well there you go. Pressure points are like piercing damage in the sense its over a small surface area. It would obvoulsy be easier to do it to somebody like WW as opposed to Superman. Pressure points also don't have t pierce the skin.
Phail, Diana. Phail.
Originally posted by srankmissingninYes. It suggests that he's used to seeing naked men. vin
The fact that he wasn't distracted by the Hulk falling into the picture, and Gamora was should say something as well.
Originally posted by srankmissingninIrony.
You are underestimating Wonder Womans durability. She can take blows from Superman for goodness' sake.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228611_wwdeflection1/
Im sorry but if those bullets are hurting her thats not impressive edge damage resistance.
STILL with the bullet nonsense?
In all the time I've been here, hearing claims of weakness to gunfire and knives, I've yet to see a SINGLE scan of Diana being pierced by a bullet, arrow, knife, or blade that wasn't magically empowered.
And as for Batman stunning her, he clearly boxed her ears while she was relying on super hearing for combat. Would of done the same thing to Superman.
Edit: Automatic gunfire pains her, magical weakness. She's never been so much as bruised, let alone penetrated, as far as I can recall.
Originally posted by Deadline
My point is this, if shes not bulletproof as usual your too stupid to get the point im making I think she can also got cut by knives and swords.If the above is true then yes I have a point. If not then thats the only reason why its retarded
Alrighty then...
Aside from the fact that Wonder Woman has taken bullets just fine in her career, her "vulnerability" to piercing damage is magically conditional. Meaning, that alone is all she's vulnerable to. Trying to make a connection between bullets and pressure point strikes when there is none is absolutely retarded. That's called reaching, or "grasping for straws."
Also, when taken into account that Batman has also hurt other invulnerable characters with pressure point strikes...
You have no case. 👆
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Originally posted by batdude123
Alrighty then...Aside from the fact that Wonder Woman has taken bullets just fine in her career, her "vulnerability" to piercing damage is magically conditional. Meaning, that alone is all she's vulnerable to.
Except shes shown she can be hurt by bullets.
Originally posted by batdude123
Trying to make a connection between bullets and pressure point strikes when there is none is absolutely retarded. That's called reaching, or "grasping for straws."
You're too stupid to get the point its ok. From the guy who thinks that Batman can beat Deathstroke for the majority.
Originally posted by batdude123
Also, when taken into account that Batman has also hurt other invulnerable characters with pressure point strikes...You have no case. 👆
Wasn't refering to those ones was I? Pay attention.
Originally posted by Konton
STILL with the bullet nonsense?In all the time I've been here, hearing claims of weakness to gunfire and knives, I've yet to see a SINGLE scan of Diana being pierced by a bullet, arrow, knife, or blade that wasn't magically empowered.
They still hurt, that could make her vulnerable to pressure points.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Bullet sounds = FZAAK ???Silly bullets...
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