Comic Book Martial Artist Hierarchy

K, either you're really this dumb, or you're just being dense on purpose. I'm guessing the former, though I wouldn't rule out the latter.

Originally posted by Deadline
Except shes shown she can be hurt by bullets.

Wow, strawmanning already? Can't say I'm surprised.

Here's a hint: either address the point, or don't continue the argument.

Originally posted by Deadline
You're too stupid to get the point its ok. From the guy who thinks that Batman can beat Deathstroke for the majority.

Once again, more strawmanning! Look at you go!!!!

Diverting attention away from the discussion doesn't make you look good, Deadline.

Just letting you know.

Originally posted by Deadline
Wasn't refering to those ones was I? Pay attention.

I'm using those to show that pressure point strikes still work on those without piercing vulnerability, so your entire argument is moot.

Originally posted by Deadline
I rest my case.

You don't have a case.

Her MAGICALLY CONDITIONAL vulnerability to piercing damage has absolutely nothing to do with nerve strikes.

You're reaching for something that isn't there.

Originally posted by marwash22
Wonder Woman has been penetrated plenty of times.

dirty so and so.

Honestly, though, Superman should be in the third tier when you look at who's above him. He has more than enough feats to justify it, and i'm talking ones of pure skill too. So to reiterate, Superman for third.

Originally posted by -Pr-
dirty so and so.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Honestly, though, Superman should be in the third tier when you look at who's above him. He has more than enough feats to justify it, and i'm talking ones of pure skill too. So to reiterate, Superman for third.

Originally posted by marwash22
Please elaborate. I cannot recall any such martial arts feats. He's lucky to be on the list if you ask me.

This has already been discussed pages ago.

Seems to me you're not really knowledgable enough on the subject to make a well-informed opinion on his placement.

Originally posted by Deadline
I agree with Iceman I also think that the top tier cap should be scrapped and we should put it to a vote. If someone is top tier they shouldn't have to displace somebody else because theres too many, thats unfair.

I can see why conidtional votes aren't ideal but in this situation its appropriate.

If someone is top tier they should be able to garner sufficient support for them being better than a current top tier, be it by a whisker or a mile.

If they can't why should they be elevated to stand among the other titans?

Originally posted by marwash22
Dirty? Stop infering things; all i said was she been penetrated... repeatedly. 😗

Please elaborate. I cannot recall any such martial arts feats. He's lucky to be on the list if you ask me.

considering who else is on there that really shouldn't be, he's not exactly the worst off...

I propose adding King Snake to 2nd tier. Unless i overlooked it, he's not included.

Originally posted by batdude123
This has already been discussed pages ago.

Originally posted by batdude123
Seems to me you're not really knowledgable enough on the subject to make a well-informed opinion on his placement.

That's hardly proving providing sufficient reasoning or detailing his martial arts exploits. So, until you can provide martial arts feats for Superman, please refrain from presuming to know what my knowledge base is on the subject 'cause to this point, you have done jack shit to prove your own.

Originally posted by marwash22
My ass, it's been discussed. Everything that has been said is in regards to being against moving him to third.

The only thing you had to say on the matter was something about Bane being there, so Superman should be as well.

That's hardly proving providing sufficient reasoning or detailing his martial arts exploits. So, until you can provide martial arts feats for Superman, please refrain from presuming to know what my knowledge base is on the subject 'cause to this point, you have done jack shit to prove your own.

then why don't you think he should be in third given his feats?

Originally posted by marwash22
My ass, it's been discussed. Everything that has been said is in regards to being against moving him to third.

The only thing you had to say on the matter was something about Bane being there, so Superman should be as well.

That's hardly proving providing sufficient reasoning or detailing his martial arts exploits. So, until you can provide martial arts feats for Superman, please refrain from presuming to know what my knowledge base is on the subject 'cause to this point, you have done jack shit to prove your own.

😐

Either you're retarded, or you've ignored the last 4 pages.

I'm HOPING it's the latter.

to me, his feats are power related, not skill based. And if you wanna use the logic of there being other people in higher tiers because of power-related skill, then move those people down, don't move him up.

Is this about martial arts, or enhanced fighting ability due to having super powers?

Originally posted by batdude123
😐

Either you're retarded, or you've ignored the last 4 pages.

I'm [B]HOPING it's the latter. [/B]

Notes
-The following changes or additions will be made in the next update, unless there's opposition/change in votes: Savant to second, Tim Drake to second, Gamora to uber, Canary to second.

-The following will be defeated unless there's more votes in favor: Drakon to second, Batgirl to uber. Also srank, I'm assuming you're dropping Psylocke replacing Taskmaster in favor of her taking the vacant slot.

-I should note that movement of either Canary or Drakon down without replacement will simply result in a vacant DC top tier slot.

-There is a vacant Marvel slot in the top tier.

-Where are people proposing moving Adam Warlock to, if they are proposing moving him?

-Beyond nomination for the Marvel top tier slot can people weigh in on the huge list below, before we move onto any new additions or changes for a bit? Particularly the Old Proposed Changes. I've taken the liberty of casting a few votes on some of the changes I agree with (although in general I'm avoiding voting or nominating changes, as the facilitator of the thread.)

Proposed Additions' Entry Points
Nemesis (Charis Adrastea) to second tier: 1 [Style] /
Kanto to second tier: 2 [Omega, comicfan] /
Mera to third: 1 [Omega] / 1 [comicfan]
Tombstone to fourth: 1 [Omega] /
Juggernaut to fourth: 1 [Omega] /
Faora to second:1 [Omega] /
Catman to second: 1 [srank] /
Savant (BoP) to second: 3 [marwash, Pr, Q99] /
Kang to third: 1 [Bentley] /
King Snake to second: [marwash] /

Old Proposed Changes
Jubilee to third: 3 [Cresh, Q99, Konton] / 4 [llag, Nataku, Blanket, Style]
Kingpin to second: 6 [Ize, V, jrod, srank, capt, Accel] / 8 [marwash, dmills, Soljer, llag, Macoy, Nataku, Blanket, Style]
Moon Knight to second: 6 [dmills, Ize, llagrok, Fake McCoy, Deadline, Mungi] / 5 [Soljer, capt, endrict, Blanket, YFZ]
Midnighter to second: 3 [Ize, Soljer, Blanket] / 4 [Style, endrict, srank, dmills]

New Proposed Changes
Gamora to uber: 10 [Spire, batdude, marwash, Ize, dmills, Omega, Konton, Q99, jalek, srank] / 7 [Kurupt, galactisishere, Tyrant, ODG, Blanket, Smurph, SuperiorTech]
Constantine Drakon to second: 1 [Q99] / 5 [Squire, srank, batdude, Phil, Kurupt]
or Drakon to uber: 1 [Q99] / 1 [Pr]
Tim Drake to second: 7 [Spire, Kurupt, Phil, batdude, X, Pr, MM] / 1 [Konton]
Black Canary to second: 7 [Spire, Kurupt, MM, batdude, Omega, Pr, ODG] / 4 [srank, Konton, Omega, Q99]
Ares (Marvel) to second: 2 [ODG, comicfan] / 1 [jalek]
Hercules to second: 2 [Kurupt, comicfan] / 3 [Spire, batdude, jalek]
Gorgon to uber: 1 [dmills] /
Drax to second: 2 [dmills, AlmightyK] / 1 [Kurupt]
Superman to third: 5 [Spire, Phil, batdude, Pr, ODG] / 6 [RAGE, Kurupt, Blanket, MM, marwash, Omega]
Punisher to second: 4 [YFZ, Deadline, Konton, MM] / 5 [Kurupt, marwash, batdude, Q99, iceman]
Batgirl (Cass) to uber: 3 [Spire, Phil, Omega] / 6 [Kurupt, MM, marwash, batdude, ODG, Konton]
Twelve Brothers to third: 1 [Q99] / 1 [Konton]
Thor to second: 1 [RAGE] / 3 [Spire, batdude, marwash]
Oracle to third: 2 [ODG, Q99] / 0

Nominations for the Marvel Top Tier slot:
Black Panther: 1 [Q99] /
Psylocke: 2 [dmills, srank] /
Sabretooth: 1 [dmills] /
Mr X: 1 [srank] / 1 [dmills]
X-23: 1 [Konton] /

P.S. I don't think I've missed any votes, but if I have or have made any mistakes then let me know/repost them.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Note: I would like to nominate Lobo, Loki, Doctor Doom, BRB and Kalibak to go down a tier.

Originally posted by marwash22
i love how it's a fact that whenever someone disagrees with you, it's to be assumed that they are mentally handicapped. Stop posting out of context scans and use your words to explain to me why Superman has martial arts skills on par with the likes of Huntress.

None of my scans were out of context. The f*ck?

And if you're going to ignore things I've already stated/explained pages ago, then there's no reason for me to even bother with you.

Also, I think people are taking the "tagline" next to each of the tiers all too literally. Being a master of a martial art doesn't automatically qualify one to be in the second tier, these were just phrases made to be indicative of the skill level of the tier.

The tiers are defined by the characters within them.

How is Superman blocking a punch thrown by Starfire, not out of context? He has twice her speed so him countering her punch is not indicative of his martial arts skill.

Without his powers, he'd get owned by Huntress in a h2h fight.

Against Kingpin to Second.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Also, I think people are taking the "tagline" next to each of the tiers all too literally. Being a master of a martial art doesn't automatically qualify one to be in the second tier, these were just phrases made to be indicative of the skill level of the tier.

The tiers are defined by the characters within them.

I'm retracting my vote against Superman for Third but at the same time I'm not yet prepare to vote for him to Third.