Philosophía
"The devil made me do it"
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Clark. Can. Not. Keep. Up. With. Batman. Thor. Can. Keep. Up. With. Captain. America.
You've actually reached the point where you stick the fingers in your ears and do the trollish dance? That's quite something. 😂
Like I said, Thor did absolutley nothing impressive concerning what is discussed -- which is his actual combat skill. He -- and I mean this quite literally -- just ran along and brawled/smashed shit with his hammer -- like I've already said, and he was even overwhelmed until Cap saved him. (and don't worry Alfheim, I caught that edit. The irony made me smile).
If you find that more impressive than being able to use pressure points to paralyze or instantly render unconscious, or, the example I already used, where Superman outfought a master martial artist in Batman's body, then that's fine. Stupid, but fine.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
What training has he done that leads you to think that Superman had a jump in skill like Batman had a jump in skill from Batman: Year One?
You're asking me what leads me to believe that Superman has become better from when
he hadn't even joined the Justice League, when he has not only accumulated massive amount of experience, including constant fighting for 1000 years, but also underwent training that he even had
whole arcs dedicated to and which have
visibly increased his combat skill, repeatedly being brought up and showed when he uses pressure strikes capable of paralysis and instant knockouts?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Taking down jerks who completely and utterly underestimate him and/or are cocky about their chances against Superman?
This should be a board meme. "Surprise buttsecks" should be replaced with "Surprise skill showing!". 😂
I'll repeat what I already said:
"The "everybody is underestimating him, that's why he looks skilled using pressure points" is sad for plenty of reasons, one of them being the fact that being able to use pressure points to the point where you can paralyze or render unconscious your opponent with just one itself denotes great skill. Another fact is that, like already pointed out, he has been trained by highly skilled fighters, justifying this level of skill, in one instance it even being stated why he is that good. (the fight against the kryptonian soldier)"
Ah, speaking of which, did I mention the fact that when he out-fought the master martial artist King Cobra, while the latter was in Batman's body, it was before he underwent Mongul's training and started consistently showing combat skill and using pressure points? Well, I did now.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Casting aspersions about me misleading people is comedy gold when I'm the guy that showed what happened on the next two pages. I'm talking to you, you who read the comic. Anybody else that didn't notice Dick Grayson's homoerotic naked thighs has only themselves to blame if they thought that was current Superman and Batman. Nice deflection. Baselessly accusing me of not knowing what time in their careers that comic took place in, and then escalating to accusing me of trying to mislead other people in my debate. with. you?
You've mislead people for the simple fact that you didn't mention the context in which that scene took place, which is very relevant since it takes place at an early point of Superman's career, before he gathered the immense amount of experience and battle skill throughout training with the best.
But like I've already said, that's not the hilarious part. You using Batman calling Superman early in his career an amateur, and then ignoring everything else, included the experience, training and skill showings Superman has demonstrated afterwards, so that you can say "Doom/Thor/Loki would never be called amateurs!! For that reason, they are > Superman!" is the truly dramatically sad part.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And sorry, but we never discussed Superman's thousands of years of experience because most of the people being discussed, e.g., Thor, Hercules, Loki, and Ares, have MORE experience. And I've seen MANY people unilaterally dismiss giving such folks the benefit of the doubt simply because they're really old. Why would you even bring that up as if it were some glaring mistake on my part? IT HURTS YOUR CASE.
Well, if you'd actually be capable (which I like to think you are, this discussion notwithstanding) of following what's being discussed, you'd realize that the 1000 years experience wasn't used in order to show that he is superior to the characters you've brought up, which is why I haven't used as evidence when I directly adressed them. It was used as just one of the multitude of evidence to dispute the notion that Superman hasn't become far better since the laughable instance you're using to downplay him(the "being called an amateur by Batman" one).
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Superman beating the crap out of parademons? That somehow matches Thor's, Ares', Loki's and Doom's swordsmanship mastery? lolwut?
haermm
Is something wrong with your display, or are you actually lying in my face, when it's quite obvious that the parademons showing was far from the only argument I used, much less being the one I was basing my entire stance on, since it's one of the less-impressive displays? I wish I'd say that's funny, but it's just pathetic.
I've brought up pressure point strikes to instantly KO or induce paralysis, the training he's received at the hands of various expert combatants, including the likes of Batman and Mongul or him outfighting a master martial artist in Bruce's body, and you're going "Superman beating Parademns matches them? lolwut?" dur?
I'm done with this.