infinity vs power gem vs pheonix

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
It doesn't saw the Celestial race as you claimed. I thought I was missing a page. All it says is the Celestials he fought are no more. There was five Celestials that he fought. And looking through every page, those were they only Celestials displayed. He fought a host, not the entire race.

Arishem, Ziran, Nezarr are the recognizable ones. The other two are hard to tell.

You'd have a point if earlier that issue Doom didn't exterminate EVERY ALIEN RACE known to him. So when he says "the Celestials are no more" I take it that he means he wiped them out like he did all other alien races he encountered.

Originally posted by zopzop
You'd have a point if earlier that issue Doom didn't exterminate EVERY ALIEN RACE known to him. So when he says "the Celestials are no more" I take it that he means he wiped them out like he did all other alien races he encountered.

He examined six race. Then went on to take the gems from the Elders and save his mother. After that, a Celestial host shows up to fight him. Only five Celestials were shown throughout the book. It's never mentioned that he beat the entire race.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Thank you. 👆

People need to realise that this is just words and smilies we have here to express ourselves. I assure you i dont take this seriously at all 😆

All the speeches all the digs are all in the name of fun. 😱

Take a farther step back

Originally posted by rotiart
Take a farther step back

Why? Because i ruffle your feathers? 😕

Couldn't care less. I'm here to have fun and take part in debates that interest me.

Im not offensive and i dont speak in any manner to give the moderators a cause for concern so dont critique my demeanor, thats above your station. If you have an issue with the points i bring up, then take part in the debate. Other than that im just not hearing it. 😱

Maybe its you who takes these threads too seriously.

Now lets both stop interrupting the debate 🙂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Im not offensive and i dont speak in any manner to give the moderators a cause for concern so dont critique my demeanor, thats above your station.

Infinity.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I wasn't aware you needed to be a mod to inform someone that he's acting like a jackass. 😗

Im involved in a love/hate dynamic between one or two posters and its give and take, back and forth between both parties and has been for years. Its all a laugh and what makes this very enjoyable 🙂

However dont ignore accusations and digs thrown in my direction only to call me out for responding in kind.

If you dont know the overall context, if you cant be bothered to read all posts to maybe see what triggers a response, if you cant be objective, then mind your own and focus on the debate at hand.

And thats pretty much that 😱

Originally posted by Mr Master
That's an alternate reality's universal aspect of Infinity, not 616 Infinity.
Infinity is a single conscience across the infinite realities, and that means,
even Infinity's alternates speak as though they are the "Totality" of Infinity,
we know this because of an on panel account concerning an alternate Eternity.

Now, if you can re-arrange and/or destroy the 616 Reality, you score big points,
because on panel accounts tells us 616 is the source of all.

Have to disagree with this. 616 Infinity =/= Multi-Infinity, who is the combined aspect of Infinity from all universes (including 616).

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Im involved in a love/hate dynamic between one or two posters and its give and take, back and forth between both parties and has been for years. Its all a laugh and what makes this very enjoyable 🙂

However dont ignore accusations and digs thrown in my direction only to call me out for responding in kind.

If you dont know the overall context, if you cant be bothered to read all posts to maybe see what triggers a response, if you cant be objective, then mind your own and focus on the debate at hand.

And thats pretty much that 😱

"Blah, blah, blah, attempting to take the moral high ground, blah, blah, blah, random condescending remark or accusation, blah, blah, blah, still trying for the moral high ground. 😱"

So again, why does someone have to be a mod to tell you you're behaving like a jackass?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Let me summarize all your posts so far:

"Blah, blah, blah, attempting to take the moral high ground, blah, blah, blah, random condescending remark or accusation, blah, blah, blah, still trying for the moral high ground. 😱"

So again, why does someone have to be a mod to tell you you're behaving like a jackass?

Why are you bumping this thread and trolling him? Just let it go?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Let me summarize all your posts so far:

"Blah, blah, blah, attempting to take the moral high ground, blah, blah, blah, random condescending remark or accusation, blah, blah, blah, still trying for the moral high ground. 😱"

So again, why does someone have to be a mod to tell you you're behaving like a jackass?

How ironic. 😂

Instead of acknowledging the fact that my comments were actually a response to digs thrown my way, which you failed to do so because you couldn't be bothered to read the thread, you came in here talking your shit and even after your error was pointed out, pride no doubt stopped you from correcting yourself.

If ever there was reason to be called a "jackass" then you've earned it.

Now let me be one 🙂

You've been here for all of 5 mins kid. Unless you're going to be objective, don't concern with stuff that was going on years before your registration. Debate. I will no longer gain you relevance here by acknowledging any non debate related comments because as yet you are a non factor. 😱

Now back to the debate at hand.

Infinity is a universal abstract derivative from the Big Bang that is the Phoenix Force.

The infinity gems by current continuity are artifacts possessing universal scale power that tap into the their native universes Big Bang.

The Phoenix Force amongst many other things is the Big Bang turned sentient. Its greatest avatar can manipulate at an atomic level all that is 616 in the palm of her hand. That makes her leagues beyond the abstracts who are mere components of that universe and universal scale reality warpers who effectively just change the theme or at most the inner workings of the little universe Jean manipulates in her palm. The full Phoenix Force which the latest handbook entry regards as a multiversal nexus of psionic power is beyond such universal powers and trinkets.

Infinty ftw, Pheonix is vastly overated.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Infinty ftw, Pheonix is vastly overated.

Some would say the same thing about Infinity. What has she done on panel, anywhere, that make people think she's more powerful than the Power Gem or the PF?

Originally posted by zopzop
Some would say the same thing about Infinity. What has she done on panel, anywhere, that make people think she's more powerful than the Power Gem or the PF?

Originally posted by Nihilist
I could easily say the same to you about Pheonix, but one thing we do know everytime Infinity gets beat destroyed its by something far stronger than a EMP .

Thats an illogical and quite ignorant statement.

The Phoenix Force never got defeated by an EMP. A distracted host who was unamped and vulnerable tending to Xorneto when he basically "stabbed her in the back".

The full Phoenix Force has never been defeated on panel ever. The firebird avatar is a representation of the sentience of the Force, not the whole Phoenix Force and then you also have hosts who can access the Forces power. The full abilities of the Force are unrevealed, but given that it can empower Jean to manipulate the atoms of 616, amputate and destroy timelines, when she doesnt even possess its full power, then you know the full PF is something way beyond universal.

The latest handbook refers to it as a multiversal nexus of psionic power.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Thats an illogical and quite ignorant statement.

The Phoenix Force never got defeated by an EMP. A distracted host who was unamped and vulnerable tending to Xorneto when he basically "stabbed her in the back".

The full Phoenix Force has never been defeated on panel ever. The firebird avatar is a representation of the sentience of the Force, not the whole Phoenix Force and then you also have hosts who can access the Forces power. The full abilities of the Force are unrevealed, but given that it can empower Jean to manipulate the atoms of 616, amputate and destroy timelines, when she doesnt even possess its full power, then you know the full PF is something way beyond universal.

The latest handbook refers to it as a multiversal nexus of psionic power.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Yeah whatever, never had any time for someone as arrogant as you who has always thought of him self being above everybody else, so in other words dont bother quoting me.

So in other words, you've got me beat, i cant counter what you said credibly with on panel evidence, so im gonna take a swipe at you personally and exit the thread. 😮

That pretty much it? 😆

Nihilist, a bad showing by a host doesn't make the PF itself trash.

We have Galactus and Death on panel saying the PF can destroy but then remake a universe. We have it's alternate universe showings over the decades where the writers make it clear it can easily destroy a universe. Then you have the example GS gave from it's bio stating it's a multiversal force.

We don't have any similar showing by Infinity or a single Infinity Gem.

Universal destruction on panel is so rare that aside from the HotI/UN it hasn't been done by a being under it's own power (aside from the PF).

Originally posted by zopzop
Nihilist, a bad showing by a host doesn't make the PF itself trash.

We have Galactus and Death on panel saying the PF can destroy but then remake a universe. We have it's alternate universe showings over the decades where the writers make it clear it can easily destroy a universe. Then you have the example GS gave from it's bio stating it's a multiversal force.

We don't have any similar showing by Infinity or a single Infinity Gem.

Universal destruction on panel is so rare that aside from the HotI/UN it hasn't been done by a being under it's own power (aside from the PF).

👆

Common sense and objectivity still exists on these forums.

Cosmic Cube, Demigawd, Illadelph, KG, Symmetric Chaos where you at? 😛

Originally posted by zopzop

We have Galactus and Death on panel saying the PF can destroy but then remake a universe.

Que?